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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 22, 2023 - 2:43am

#831

daverock

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Bickershaw and repetition

1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.
September 21, 2023 - 8:50pm

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JimInMD

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Repetitive, Sort of..

With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.
September 21, 2023 - 3:23pm

#833

Oroborous

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RE: repetition

Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol
September 21, 2023 - 2:35pm

#834

1stshow70878

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Bickershaw again

Finishing up as I write.
Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
Cheers
September 21, 2023 - 2:20pm

#835

daverock

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Repetition

Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.
September 21, 2023 - 2:07pm

#836

Oroborous

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5/13/72

The make up show.
Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
5/13 was one, and another first time show.
I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
Onward!
September 21, 2023 - 11:03am

#837

1stshow70878

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Bickershaw 5-7-72

Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
Cheers
September 21, 2023 - 6:56am

#838

Oroborous

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Where’s Waldo

Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?
September 20, 2023 - 4:09pm

#839

icecrmcnkd

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MIA HF

I suspect that he is in the outback freeing his mind and prepping for the Fall equinox.

Or maybe he went to Burning Man and is still stuck in the mud.
September 20, 2023 - 11:23am

#840

Oroborous

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Motherjumpers!

#Freethereels!

John Perry Barlow

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Chico 68

aye Doc

good call

great call

excellent call

Mmmmm…..

Oberon.

Having one now.

Cheers DV.

Music is well said to be the speech of angels.....

Morning, rockers!!

I had something very different written, but got Hey Now'ed. Numerous times. Can I please apply for an exemption?

All I can say is, May 15 1970. Let it elevate you!

Doc
If the king loves music, there is little wrong in the land.....

5/15/70

I was going to start on these shows today, but I began with 5/13/74 on Monday, completely forgetting that it was a show that lasted over three days. There's always tomorrow. Hopefully.

5/15/70

A true heavy weight champion of a show. I'm. happy I got the bonus disc. The Dead at their best.

Acoustic Dead

We are used to it now, but I sometimes wonder if it threw people a bit when The Dead came out and played an acoustic set in 1969-1970. People who saw them couldn't have been as aware of what they were up to until they actually saw them, communications being what they were. I can't imagine the Jimi Hendrix Experience or Cream coming out and playing an acoustic set.
The Stones played a few acoustic songs live in 1969 - but only two as far as I am aware, not a whole set.

5/25/72

Really enjoyed this show. Anyone else listen to it recently? The Uncle John's Band, Wharf Rat, Dark Star are the highlights of the show for me. Such good energy and man they are on fire.

Decided to keep the ball rolling with the Lyceum shows with 5/23/72.

Hope all is well out there.

London is a roost for every bird......

Yes!!! The 4 Lyceum shows are all top notch. 5/23 really fine, 5/26 one of my all time favorites!

Enjoy, and rock on!

Doc
When it's three o'clock in New York, it's still 1938 in London.....

5-23-72 vinyl

Gave it a spin this past weekend.

Planning on spinning the rest of Lyceum vinyl this coming 3-day weekend, as well as my DP12 vinyl that is supposed to arrive Friday.

Lyceum

Holy cow. There's serious music everywhere you look.

... and I have the last show left.

Lyceum/Frost

Hey Jim, yes, love these four shows. No Vinyl for me, but I have the steamer trunk.

Still need to listen to 5/24 and yes 5/26.

Needed a diversation today, so I went with 4/27/85 from #49. What a great release.

Hey OB, how is everything going?

5-24-72

Gave the vinyl a spin last night. Sounded grate.
Now about to brew my second cup of super dark roast Columbian Supremo.
I plan on roasting some beans this weekend, among other things, like spinning some more Lyceum vinyl.

Music is the soundtrack of your life......

Yo, rockers!!!

For goodness sake, what else would I be listening to?

May 26, 1972. An all time favorite, the last show of a fabulous tour, the last truly classic show with Pigpen. The E72 cuts from this show were truly part of the soundtrack of our young lives. And still are.........

Who hears music feels his solitude peopled at once.......

Rock on, my friends!

Doc
To be alive, to be able to see, to walk, to have houses, music, paintings - it's all a miracle, I have adopted the technique of living life miracle to miracle.....

Doc - miracles

Doc, I can't agree more. Every day is a miracle and a gift.

June

Alright, we made it to June!

Any picks out there?

Might have to check out 3/22/90.

Been A While..

and since it's June..

It's been a while since I have listened to Road Trips Vol 4 no 5, June 9, 1976 at the Boston Music Hall.

It's funny, I was not a huge fan of the Road Trips series in general, but by the time this one rolled around I has warmed up on it tremendously. They were doing more complete shows by then and collectively I realized there were some monumental shows released as Road Trips. By the time I began to enthusiastically embrace the idea it got kiboshed. Go figure.

Or as Yoda was found of saying, Late to the Party, I am.

RT4.5

This sounds good for my Monday Jim.

Our second taste of this tour, with the download series being the first.

This was the only year this released five from this series. Maybe this was supposed to be 5.1 before they decided to cancel this series and go to Dave's Picks.

Definitely an underrated series Jim.

Hope we are due for another 76 release soon.

June 76

Just started 6-10 in the car tonight.
A June 76 TOO Box would be grate. Give us the remaining shows.

A good Monday show

Seventy Sixtus would be proud.

I didn't quite make it to the end. Distractions abound. There's always tomorrow.

After I catch up, and with all the '74 hype, I'm tempted to dig deep into something from that year I have not heard in a while. Any suggestions? Something off the beaten path from a year that is pretty well paved. Maybe a complete, under the radar shows from the October Winterland run or Roanoke or something else that just hasn't percolated lately?

RT4.5/74

This show might be the best of this run. Haven't listened to it in a couple years. Great first set, love that long Crazy Fingers and the second set with the St.Stephen Eyes all the way through the Franklins is a fun ride.

Thanks for the pick Jim.

74 sounds good to me. Can't remember if I have ever heard the Roanoke show.

6-9-76

Playing now.

June 1976 TOO Box - the remainder of the month, let’s have it in 2026 Dave.

6/9/76

I am really enjoying this show, too. Completely off my radar until I foraged it out again yesterday. I would but a June 76 box in a shot.

6/26/74

Going in with some red congolese... and Koyaanisquatsi on the vid. Lord have mercy.

June 8th

I'd love to hear doin that rag June 8th at the sphere in VEGAS BABY

Getting stale in here

4-20-84
It’s a DaP.
Started playing in the car yesterday, set 2 started tonight driving home, get the transition to Fire tomorrow morning as I head back to work.

4/20/84

Thanks for the pick Conekid. Will fire it up tomorrow morning.

Then, will have to check out the new Miller via Doc 11/7/71.

4/20/84

Enjoyed that recently as part of my run through the spring tour.
Better than one might think…
Think I’m all the way up to summer tour which I’ll start soon…
Have also hit a lot of 94 summer tour, the rest of 79 I hadn’t hit yet (except 2 or 3), and a few missing 89 (think I only have December left), and I’ve completed all 69 up to September (did not do most of the Auds), and an occasional 74.
ONWARD!

Summer 84

If those cassettes could be cleaned up the way 4-27,28-85 just was….

Ooooh……mmmmm….(drool, drool)….

Just got home from a walkabout

I did this one recently too, about the same time I last ran in and out of the Garden box. I also hit Philly 83 and Boise mixed in for good measure. Plus, I continue to revisit the Giants box, which keeps on giving it up and sounds fantastic.

I will hit 4/20 again though after I rest my bones and get some laundry done.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I will risk it all. Weed clones for One Thousand, Alex.

I see a comparison of 80's GD to dynamite sativa, 70's GD to trippy Indica and 67 through mid 70 to a really good hybrid. Hope I did not offend anyone.

I like it all, but when I really want to get things done or go for a speed hike, road bike ride or climb a mountain, 80's GD get's me through the pass and home earlier. I have always had a soft spot for 83 through 85. It's raunchy, the mix and clarity vary, and it suffers from over-saturation or sterility from time to time. The cassette master blues.

But it's like a Nirvana tinged GD you can turn up and make it through the day when you have to get shit done and don't really care about anything else except maybe the volume level.

Feel free to whack me down or snap the limb I climbed out on as I tumble down from the tree I just climbed.

the flip side is, when I need to come down off my adrenaline rush, 10/19/73 is a good place to start. That DS>MLB>Morning Dew will cure what ales you.

Summer tour baby.. bring it.

Daily Double

Jim takes the round and gets offered a host position to fit in between Ken and Blossom.

Confirmation or tease

At the end of today’s Bulletin:

“Not to mention 6/20/80 in Anchorage”

6/20/80

Is a very good show. It makes sense to release them now. We have become more accustomed to cassette masters and this run is as good as most if not any of what has been released lately. Combining this with Hawaii does make a little sense, or as a Dave's Picks.

One thing cone kid said recently was more June 76. Years ago when I listened to all of 76 in sequence the Tower Theatre shows (and I think Beacon) were not the best sound quality. In fact, I believe there were a few where only audience existed. This was probably ten years ago so and I haven't checked for upgrades lately.

Anyway, they have been doing this thing this year on SiriusXM's GD Channel where either Gary Lambert of David Gans does a deep dive into a show for some reason or another and they highlight a few songs for a week with some language on why they are playing and it's importance, quality, etc.

This week Gans has been focusing on one of the Tower Theatre shows and I'll be damned if the sound quality is not supreme, just like the first June 76 box. This is a major upgrade from what I pulled down from the archive all those years ago.

So yea.. 6/20/80 Alaska. Why not I say. Also, I really like the Matrix approach they pulled off with Dave's Picks vol 8. I love that show, another 1980 cassette master matched with a really special audience recording. They pulled it of, I'd hate to think this was a one-off.

Just a Tease

Time will tell. Would love to see any 1980 shows out, but, I still have my money on October 74 at Winterland.

Seventy-Four

No argument here.

From the returned reels list

1976 - 57 REELS

• 06-10-76 Boston MA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• *06-11-76 Boston MA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete *= + 1 REEL NOT ON ORIGINAL INVENTORY*
• 06-14-76 NYC, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-15-76 NYC, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-17-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-18-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-19-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-21-76 Philadelphia PA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-22-76 Philadelphia PA, 5 X 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-23-76 Philadelphia PA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Reel #1
• 06-26-76 Chicago IL, 5 X 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-28-76 Chicago IL, 1 X 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Reel #2
• 06-29-76 Chicago IL, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete

2026 would be a grate year to release June 1976 The Other One Box.

Just Curious?

“HI, I’m butters and I’m…”
But seriously, how come nobody ever includes any of the Orpheum shows when dis using 76 box wishes?

Edit: where does seventy Sixtus stand on this ; ) lol

Orpheum shows

I've mentioned 7/13/76 as a good release lots of times. I was fortunate to have been there.

July ‘76

I’ll take those too.

But my priority show is a Plangentized/Normanized 6-29-76.

6-14-76 playing in the car yesterday and today, and Monday because I’m not done yet.

My favorite ‘76 shows are 6-14, 6-29, 10-9.
Two released so far.

Ice cream kid wins Again!

2026 box o GD76

yeeesssss.....

7 13 76

Heard High Time through end of set on cassette one enchanted evening back in the day

Yummy

Favorite 76 Shows

That is easy, 12/31, and yes, I am with you on 10/9 and I will add 10/10, both Beacon shows, shit the list is growing. Just wish they played more shows in 76.

Edit. And of course 6/9.

6/28 - 76

High Time was a bonus cut on DaP 28.. maybe they have the full show..

Where words fail, music speaks......

Hey rockers and Fathers!!!!!!!!!

LOL yes I have a favorite 76. Rochester. Maybe biased because I was there..........

We were also at Colt Park that Summer, never heard a soundboard of that one, LOL did they forget to record it?????

Also really like 7/18/76. Lord, if it has to be mellow, let it be like this!!

Off to walk dogs and have more coffee, happy Father's Day to all!!!

Rock on,

Doc
Music is the silence between the notes.......

'76

Over last 2 weeks enjoyed several spins of DaP 28 - 6/17/76 Cap Theatre. Long while since i had listened. Hit the '76 sweet spot from opening notes of Cold Rain.

8/2 Colt Park has a funny story (review) on archive where a kid realized that it was his Mom(!) that just walked to the edge of the stage and sat down in front of Keith. Turned out she was friend of Barlow and knew him from Wesleyan. And after he (son) got her attention, Mom got him on stage/backstage too! And he got to sit on the stage rest of first set watching Jerry from 6- 8 ft away.

Agree with ConeKid as to 6/29 (also 6/28) Chicago Auditorium Theatre needs to be released. As Danehead pointed out, 6/28 High Time is filler on DaP 28.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend friends.

6-16-91

Playing now.
Happens to be the anniversary.

The Giants Box is grate.
More video please Dave.

Enjoying the '76 Banter

I did a quick revisit of 4/20/84 also and it was enjoyable. The minute I finished this yesterday and walked inside they were playing the Help/Slip!/Franklins from 4/26/83 on SiriusXM, also at the spectrum. So a twofer early 80's spectrum fest. Both shows feature Morning Dews.

Have we done 3/26/73 yet? The night after Dave's Picks vol. 32, also at the Spectrum. It might be worth our time.

Baltimore 73

Baltimore 73 sounds good to me Jim
These are monster shows. Will get it going tomorrow. Thanks Jim.

Sixtus' Stand on '76

Perhaps I am a bit late on this one...but I always love me some 76 discussions, thanks Oro for the tip!
I am wholly on board for more '76 - always.

Given the amazingness of the June 76 Box which of course included 6/11/76, a top-5 all-timer in my books (among others), I would more than welcome a second 76 summer box to round out those Chicago shows as well as Orpheum shows. My top tiers include 6/28 and 7/18 from those runs, as well as 8/4 which has its drum beaten almost monthly by Alvarhanso (with which I totally agree). It is noted there is an flawless YouTube of 8/4 in its entirety which is not to be missed. For sure, 76 has a fond spot in my heart - as I say, the glory and exceptionalism of 1977 had to be birthed somewhere...I say in 76.

Be Well People!
Seventy-Sixtus

All the '76 talk

I ran through Dick's 20 on Saturday. Very enjoyable.

My listening list has gotten longer not shorter, hmmm.

Guess need to listen more...

A big 'yes please' to 7 13 76

That was actually the first '76 show I ever heard. Anyone remember "Thursday Lunch" on KPFK down in Los Angeles? With Uncle Bob Young and Cousin Tom? I tuned in the program late, and the first set was underway, I heard some crowd noise and then Crazy Fingers began. Followed later by Let it Grow->Drums->Let it Grow, Might as Well. I was absolutely spellbound for that Crazy Fingers! I know many say the CF from Boston a month earlier is 'the best' but this is still my go-to, decades later...