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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • onthebussince77
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    DaP #51 info on your DaP subscription order page

    I won't spoil it. If you want to know, go to your DaP 2024 order confirmation email from last year and click on the order number. That will take you to the CHECK ORDER page. Enter the order number, your email, and zip code and you'll see a receipt with all the details.

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    ....ooooh. A Klipsch R-120SW subwoofer for $240?
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  • proudfoot
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    A punk band I forgot to list

    China White

    Their album Danger Zone ROCKS

    X is categorized as punk, but I just call 'em rock n roll

  • Vguy72
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    My punk dayz....

    ....finally getting around to organizing my record collection. Quite the task. I have over 300 records going back to my teenage days and just starting getting back into them as you know.
    Holy flashback Batman. Stumbled across some T.S.O.L., Cramps, Misfits, Corrosion Of Conformity, Agent Orange and Subhumans records I bought decades ago. They still hold up.
    According to discogs, some of the Misfits records I own are worth a pretty penny. Not that I would ever sell them.

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    The Stooges (the ones with Iggy, not Larry and Curly) loomed over punk in the US in a huge way, too. It was almost impossible to go to a punk gig in 1977 and not hear at least one Stooges cover. (My own proto punk band played I'm Loose and No Fun. Very poorly!) The Stooges and the Velvet Underground and the NY Dolls were really the foundation, along with the '60s garage bands.

    And btw, there was a fair amount of give and take in those early days between punk and various brands of psychedelia, including the Dead. Punks were supposed to hate hippies, but in reality we were often on the same drugs and disliked a lot of the same things. Greg Ginn of Black Flag was a big deadhead, for instance. Also, my LSD connection was a hippie neighbor who one day shaved his long hair and 'went punk.' after a gig by X. Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth was a deadhead, lots of others.

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    70's punk- The Stooges

    Iggy and The Stooges were massively influential in England during the second half of the 70's. In some ways, as Chuck Berry was to the 60's, they were to the 70's. Starting with Nick Kent's article in the NME in 1972 about their legendary show at Kings Cross, in London, to Raw Power the following year and the discovery of their first two albums. Their tracks, No Fun and 1970 were covered The Sex Pistols and The Damned, among others, but nobody came close really.
    When Iggy finally toured England, in 1977, it was one of the most eagerly anticipated rock events I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately - despite having David Bowie on keyboards - his moment had clearly passed. Still good - but not quite what he had been.

    The New York Dolls were important too. appearing on the rock programme "The Old Grey Whistle Test" circa 1973. After a blistering and shambolic "Jet Boy" and "Looking For A Kiss" they were put down by a visibly bemused, and slightly miffed Bob Harris as "mock rock". The 1970's were taking shape!

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    Gummies...

    It just (duh) dawned on me where all the extra glue bits came from on the HCS box CDs

  • Gary Farseer
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    Hey Dave!!!

    Listened to Dave's#40 - Deer Creek this past weekend. Even though I had listened to it several times, it really floored me. Nice Pick Indeed! Some great playing and the recording Dan captured is top notch.

    I was much more in the active listener mode instead groove pilot.

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    Great write-up. Especially for someone like me that was on a different musical direction. Always admired the Ramones for what they did and their history. What playing the Roundhouse in London in 1976? And more importantly, from my perspective, they never strayed to far from their charter.

    Did I see the NYDolls in their, cant remember.

    So for me, who has never been in a mosh pit, it was very enlightening!!!

    Now how much will I remember? That has become the question.

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    Seventies punk is kind of an obsession for me, partly because it was maybe the only key moment in rock history that I had a mosh pit view of. I was around for a lot of the earliest gigs by LA area bands like X, Black Flag, Social D, and I saw the West Coast club debuts of everybody from Patti to Television, the Damned, Clash etc. Fun times!

    So I would say that when people first started using the term "punk" to describe what was happening, it was because they were referring to the way a bunch of scruffy upstart bands who were rebelling against the corporate rock status quo of the mid-'70s and trying to overthrow the established order, even though they didn't seem to have the wherewithal (ie, money, connections, looks etc) to do it. I think "punk" being used in the way it was used in gangster noir movies: the "punk" is the small time hood with big ambitions who is almost certainly doomed to be crushed by the mob, the police, the power structure.

    It wasn't really a musical style. Which is why that first wave of "punk" included artists as diverse as Patti, Television, Talking Heads, Deco, Pete Ubu, Suicide, and yes, the Ramones. I think what happened, as Daverock said, is that the Ramones offered a blueprint of what "punk rock" sounded like, and it was one that was easily copied, even by people who'd never picked up a guitar until yesterday. If you liked the Ramones, you could get together a couple friends, learn three chords, and start a band. And dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) did. Suddenly there was lots of bands that sounded like that in every town, and that was taken to be what "punk" was.

    About Television specifically: I personally think they took too long to record, and as a result we missed out on hearing the earliest version of the band, when Richard Hell was still a member and when they sounded a lot more raw and basic in a way we associate with punk. If you're curious, look up the Ork Loft recordings, a video made in 1974, and you'll see what I mean. That's what they sounded like when they'd been together for about a year. They did some demos with Eno after Hell left the band in December ''74, which are a lot more polished. And then they didn't record their Elektra album till September 1976. By which time they were one the tightest bands you'll ever hear, and not much like what we think of as "punk."

    Anyway. I would recommend hearing EVERYTHING Television ever did. Marquee Moon is a stone classic, the follow up, Adventure, much under-rated, and the live boots and Eno demos are all really good too. Even the reunion stuff is worth hearing.

    Sorry for the long post. I warned you I was kind of obsessed with this stuff.

    And, hey, Dave, where's that announcement?

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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11 23 79
6 22 83

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Is for those shows from the Ark in 1969 to finally get released. Don't care if it's in a box set, or a DaP, or what, but them shows need to be OUT. Iconic performances, good sound, Come on, Dave! What's the holdup, maaaaan?

I ain't a-scared of no AI. Those guys can't even tell the difference between a crosswalk and a motorbike.

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Illogical for it to be anything else.

Wanna move product? Look how fast 73' sold.

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I would love BTK's 69 box!!!

On a side note, still looking at glass bongs, chillums, and recently where to buy some b l o n d e h a s h.

Wow what I paid $60/ounce for decades ago, now is $369. Guess that makes sense due to mandatory inflation built into the system. But online they have some incredible sales. Wonder how safe to buy? Just not sure...

Thanks Jim, it is good to be posting more. I am like a lot of others, only post on a fraction of what I see. So many around here are deep officianados in music, dead and other, smoke, smoke systems, etc. What a great place to learn and be lead from darkness to light!

Already sold out 3 more shows at Red Rocks. That takes them to around (havent checked) 69 sold out shows in a row. Just amazing. Cant remember actual capacity of RR, but think around 10,000 maniacs. They have held the record for a long time, and just keeping adding sold out shows. Can they ever be caught?

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HDTV resolution is really, for simplicity sake, just a difference in the number of lines making up the picture, or the total number of pixels making up the picture - DVD has 480 lines of resolution, Blu-Ray has 1080 lines, and “4K” has 2160 lines. More lines should make a smoother picture, but at some point your eyes become the limiting factor as at a certain distance you can’t distinguish between 1080 lines and 2160 lines The closer you are to the screen, the more noticeable the difference will be, the bigger the screen the more noticeable the difference will be. Think of pictures in newspapers in newsprint - at a small scale and from a reasonable distance the picture looks smooth, like a photo print, and you can’t distinguish the individual dots that actually make up the picture. But if you get close to the picture, or blow it up to a larger size with the same number of dots making up the picture, the picture starts to look more like a collection of dots and less like a photo. The more dots you have to make up the picture, the larger you can expand the picture, and the closer you can get without your eyes noticing the individual dots, like a pointillist painting.

The real advantage of the HDTV and now the HDR feature is the incredible color array. Your HDTV can image an immensely greater color range than your old color TV, even if it was a Sony Trinitron, and you can see fantastic color from any distance.

If a new player doesn’t work with your DVD’s you might want to see if there is a firmware update, since as noted, everything has a chip. I got a new CD player in the last couple years and it initially had trouble playing some of the usual suspects (DaP28, cough) and after a simple firmware update the same player has played everything flawlessly. Knock on wood.

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WsP hit 67 last year. So #70 just topped. That is a lot of shows.

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No box in June, I guess..

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As an aside, 30+7 years ago now would have entering parking lot at Ventura's County Fair grounds. Really nice Sunday afternoon show.

This was 2+ hours ago, try again

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Charlie with the firmware reminder.
Yes, often overlooked.
Why?
Because we don’t read the manual.

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At the end of today’s Bulletin:

“Not to mention 6/20/80 in Anchorage”

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So icecrmcnkd mentioned "an Oakland '91 box" (I believe as a nice-to-have, and not a rumored release) and I'm assuming this was a reference to the October run. But in '91 there's also the three-night midweek stand at Oakland in February, as well as the final NYE run. And despite the NYE run being the last such event, I rarely play any of those shows, whereas I do include 2/21/91 in my rotation as well as 2/20 sometimes (which has Olatunji, and a massively long set II. 2/19 ofc is famous for the NSB breakout after 20 years...)

Just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this. It seems like an eleven-night box from 1991 is too big, and even seven nights is probably too many given that the MSG box set has struggled to sell. As well, if they're really going to do a '91 box, Summer is probably the sweet spot for really consistent, high-intensity shows. Worth pointing out, too, that Bruce Hornsby didn't come out for either February or December. But the thought of wrapping up a year of Oakland in one package seemed interesting... for example, I could also see "best 2 of out of 3 or 4 nights" working, with Halloween as the centerpiece.

Seems unlikely in any case, but I saw a lot of 1991, so it intrigues me strangely...

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That’s what I want.
Don’t know if it’s doable because of guests.

It’s not just MSG, STL Box is still available too.
That’s why a ‘91 Box is needed, helps span the years ‘71, ‘81, ‘91.

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Heard that a while ago on discs from my man Craig

They didn't seem that great

I loaned them to a former coworker and away they went after I abruptly left that gig.

A Full Norman of the run I am certain would bring out the shows' charms

:)))

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54 years ago today the Grateful Dead released Working man's Dead. My favorite Dead album, in fact I think its the greatest record of all time. An absolute masterpiece.

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i know its about the the music, but just got new JGB 2/13/76 and so glad they have an actual art direction that fits the music.

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Set lists

Same after same

Observation not a gripe

"Yeah, the boy can play"

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39 years ago this weekend( along with a lot of other great people who post here on this forum) I was up in Berkeley at the Greek Theatre having an absolute blast with the Good old Grateful Dead. Killer shows, lets get that complete Greek Box Set out there. Stopped at Everett & Jones Bbq on the way home.. Big fun!

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....has been paying attention to the D&C Sphere posters.
All incredibly incredible.
So incredible. They deserve a rare double post lol.

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First off, DaP 50. 5/3 solid, 5/4 bonus material looks great on paper but not my favorite '77 show. Jer sounds a little tired and more interested in playing than singing but rallies for Comes a Time.

Regarding the new JGB, anyone else notice the absurd amount of screams (same one or two guys) recorded on Keystone 2/13/76? Absolutely ruins TLEO and badly dings a couple other tracks. I'm all for hearing it like it was and all but I would also be ok with someone cleaning that crap out of the recordings. It's one thing when fans are into it, another when the screamers seem to be purposely and aggressively inserting themselves into the scene in quiet moments.

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Didn't know they had this one, but George Strait last night had 110,905 paying ticketholders at his show at Texas A&M's football stadium, breaking a record for single concert attendance held by the Grateful Dead for Englishtown 9/3/77, which had 107, 019. Don't see anybody ever coming close to breaking the Watkins Glen record.

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Gotcha icecrmcnkd - and good point, I forgot about Gary Duncan being there on Halloween. And Santana on the 27th. Were there others...? Anyway, that would complicate licensing.

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Right on BTK!!! This iconic west coast venue deserves special recognition (IMO) .... A Greek Box is way over due! Selfishly, 82-87 please!!! With special recognition for the Fri 13th Dark Star in 84..... Unquestionably some of the best times of my life .....tcc

I've seen people yell because they're kind of overcome with emotion at what they are hearing or seeing, and I smile.
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This is how I interpret the sounds on New Jerry.

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49 years ago today, I was up in the balcony at Winterland having a fantastic night with the Good old Grateful Dead. It was a memorial concert for Bob Fried the poster artist. The advertisement listed Keith & Donna Band, Kingfish, and Jerry Garcia and friends. Kingfish blew the roof off the joint they were fantastic. Then out came the Dead to be introduced by Bill Graham, the place was electric. They opened with Crazy Fingers , still my favorite version. What an absolute knockckout of a night. Fun times!

After what Jonathan said I decided to check my DVD’s in my new 4K player.
So far DVD’s 1-3 played fine, no issues.
The video quality is far better than on the DVD player I originally had 10+ years ago. So, thumbs up to upconverting.

Decided to spin the 6-17-91 Blu-ray tonight since it’s the anniversary.
Looks good and sounds good.

More video please Dave.

Oh man.. it almost hurts to read some of the gems you got to see.

Glad you were there, glad you remember so much. If I could go back in time I would live vicariously through your eyes and know I have lived a life fulfilled. Holy smokes, some truly special shows. Thanks for sharing.

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I gave it an archive listen this evening

Yummy

Thank you for the reference BTK

You were there? The envy is all mine

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Disc 1 skipped from track 3 onwards. The further it went, the worse it got and at least the last half was totally unlistenable.

Today a replacement disc arrived and it plays through without a single skip. It's great to finally hear it as it's a fine first set.

Big thanks to MaryE and Mac for sorting it out and getting the replacement disc to me.

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Only posting the following comment at this thread as someone earlier here noted a wish to officially put out a certain show with a dash of AI magic to remove 1 particular screamer in the audience. Well, unfortunately that would've also been welcome with the new JGB vol 21 release.

There's 1 guy who makes the same sound over & over again that sounds like a Neanderthal being caught off guard by some animal ramming him in the nuts. It's more off putting in that this gig is super chill. So he bellows time & again at the most unusual quiet times of a beautiful harmony with Donna Jean or Jer's sweet, slow picking.

Putting aside our Neanderthal in the crowd, some may see this slowed down tempo as plodding. I tend to hear it as adding some more sweetness if you know what I mean.

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blech and blech again

Radio version of 6 19 76

between songs some yutz

"AYAYAYAYAYAYAAA!!!"

repeat frequently

And then theres 6 28 85

And 1 21 71

And

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That's great to hear @Simonrob - last year at about this time, those two esteemed personages + Mr. Dave Lemieux himself were rescuing me from the saga of my twice-stolen Dave's 46. Mac finally put a copy into a mailer and shipped it to me himself. Got it just after the 4th of July.

and @Proudfoot I was in the same spot, had to listen to some '91 after all this discussion. I just got done with 8/16/91. But now I need to get out that Giants Stadium box and go back two months farther...

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