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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Oroborous
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    Ahhh Berry interesting

    Jonathan, ok, now we’re getting good intel, I.e., video good but audio not.
    Check out both the audio settings on the DVD and the player, sounds like something not synced right. Also, try the ole hard boot: (with the volume down, ahem) pull the plug on the player…wait a minute, then plug back in, hey, EVERYTHING has micro processing now! Then turn volume up to check.
    Guessing a disc setting since your other discs are ok…?

  • billy the kiddd
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    2024 1969 Box Set

    10/31/69, 6/27 & 28 69 4/5 & 6/69, 5/30/69, makes for a mighty fine box set. Apparently Dave said they decide what these box sets are going to be 2 or 3 years in advance.

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    Been chillin

    or shopping for chillum

  • Gary Farseer
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    what oro and colin said, was away from computer a while.

    Bought 65" samsung 4k television on 2020-02-01, arrived that valentine's day. Covid hit and i am immunocompromised due to appendix rupture. So the tv still sits in its box waiting for a friend to come by and help me with it. Hopefully up and running within the next month. I bought it before i truly understood how the makers of tv always have to get to buy the next thing before the next thing is fully realized. Fortunately I got a steal(y) on it, tv, tax, and shipping was $625. Of course any warranty would be almost gone. So I might have an expensive 60 pound box in my house.

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    4k

    My understanding, and I haven't spent as much time on it as conekid, daverock, etc.

    4k has more to do with size. Isn't it always. That is when you have a 40" hdtv that is all you need is an hdtv. When you move to 55" - 85" (if there is one), you need 4k. When you move to a 90" or above you need 8k. That is, the larger the screen the more you need tight pixelization (new word?). They have been trying to push for 8k tv's for a couple of years now. But if you have a smaller screen you dont need more definition as it is baked in. There is but scant true 4k content and yet to date I have not seen an 8k production to date, but I am not looking much.

    So 35mm film can transfer to much lager screens. Forty something years ago I was working at a movie theater and they showed Raiders of the Lost Ark in 70mm. The film was shot in 70mm, one of few. The theater was the only 70mm theater in a 500 mile radius. We had tourists come to watch in 70mm, and I mean it ran for like 6 months. Tourist travel was shocking. Definition so good you can see Harrison Ford eat the fly in that scene. I can only imagine how good that movie will look in 4k and 8k.

    Mileage may vary, I aint no expert.

    Edit: forty something years ago

  • jonathan918@GD
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    My GD Movie blu-ray and Giants box blu-ray, both play and sound fantastic!!

    Heres to hoping the Winterland 1974 stuff comes out someday

  • jonathan918@GD
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    Thank you

    Thanks for all the thoughts and info on dvd players. Really appreciate it.

    I was frustrated that all my dvd's played but my veiw from vaults would only produce picture but no sound. And strangely enough, when I hit fast foward it would play the audio at that speed??

    Anyhow, I understand some folks having a preference for something different in a dvd player, all though, admittedly, I don't know what!!!

    I'm lost on it, personally

    I guess my point is, to me, this is apperas to be a tatic to make folks repurchase things. Even though nothing is avalible but youtube, which has some decent audio but I would have liked the dvd's to work that I bought.

    Thanks again, gang

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    I figured the original source film might be adaptable to upscaling, but you'd have to find the master print. Somehow Criterion Collection found a much better print of Seven Samurai between their first DVD version and the 3 DVD version about 15 years later. That transfer was very much welcomed. I just wonder how many of the 4K transfers are finding master prints to put the work into. Sort of like Plangent has been used on a couple of Dave's if I'm not mistaken, and they probably needed it, if they went through the extra time and expense. But if they tried Plangent on a 4th generation Reel, it's akin to polishing a turd. I could see there being wildly mixed results. I'm okay with the dvds and BluRays I have of Lawrence of Arabia and other epics. If Terrence Malick movies look decent on my screen, I'm definitely good. Which reminds me, Malick released The Voyage of Time in 2016, and it's never had a physical media release in the US, so I had to order a German copy, and it did not play in my Region Free player, so had a buddy rip it for me. That made me think about getting yet another BluRay player. That cycle, she's vicious!

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    Like vinyl, digital etc, can be good IF done right.
    With 4K that means watching on a extra large screen, sitting closer than might be comfortable, and with all other gear with proper settings etc, AND, (this is the big caveat) with good, properly done source material!!
    8Ks even worse in that regard.
    For most folks and on the majority of TVs, in the “average” household viewing situation, they aren’t going to see a big, if even noticeable difference.
    But like anything else, if done properly on a big system it can be good.

    Edit: note, similar fuckery happens sometimes with High Res Music: they just copy lower resolution source to Hi res file, not cool Kyle, not cool!
    Always check the lineage/source when purchasing anything “upconverted” or legacy source material that’s rehashed on a higher resolution format!

    This is also one reason why many early CDs sound like crap and gave digital a bad name. They didn’t use the original higher res source masters, that and conversion (Analog to digital etc). Fortunately, digital, especially conversion and DACs have come a long way and if done right can be amazing!

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    4K resolution

    Looking online 35mm film has an equivalent resolution of around 5.6k. So more than 4k. So 35mm and 70mm films, properly transferred, should look better on 4k screens and players than on standard Bluray. A problem with some ‘70’s programs/shows is that they were recorded direct to video tape which has inherently poor resolution. This is why programmes like ‘Mork and Mindy’ or ‘Soap’ look terrible on big screens. I have no first hand experience of this because I don’t have a 4k player or television but when my current kit dies I will certainly get them, unless 8k becomes more than a niche product.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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11 23 79
6 22 83

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Is for those shows from the Ark in 1969 to finally get released. Don't care if it's in a box set, or a DaP, or what, but them shows need to be OUT. Iconic performances, good sound, Come on, Dave! What's the holdup, maaaaan?

I ain't a-scared of no AI. Those guys can't even tell the difference between a crosswalk and a motorbike.

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Illogical for it to be anything else.

Wanna move product? Look how fast 73' sold.

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I would love BTK's 69 box!!!

On a side note, still looking at glass bongs, chillums, and recently where to buy some b l o n d e h a s h.

Wow what I paid $60/ounce for decades ago, now is $369. Guess that makes sense due to mandatory inflation built into the system. But online they have some incredible sales. Wonder how safe to buy? Just not sure...

Thanks Jim, it is good to be posting more. I am like a lot of others, only post on a fraction of what I see. So many around here are deep officianados in music, dead and other, smoke, smoke systems, etc. What a great place to learn and be lead from darkness to light!

Already sold out 3 more shows at Red Rocks. That takes them to around (havent checked) 69 sold out shows in a row. Just amazing. Cant remember actual capacity of RR, but think around 10,000 maniacs. They have held the record for a long time, and just keeping adding sold out shows. Can they ever be caught?

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HDTV resolution is really, for simplicity sake, just a difference in the number of lines making up the picture, or the total number of pixels making up the picture - DVD has 480 lines of resolution, Blu-Ray has 1080 lines, and “4K” has 2160 lines. More lines should make a smoother picture, but at some point your eyes become the limiting factor as at a certain distance you can’t distinguish between 1080 lines and 2160 lines The closer you are to the screen, the more noticeable the difference will be, the bigger the screen the more noticeable the difference will be. Think of pictures in newspapers in newsprint - at a small scale and from a reasonable distance the picture looks smooth, like a photo print, and you can’t distinguish the individual dots that actually make up the picture. But if you get close to the picture, or blow it up to a larger size with the same number of dots making up the picture, the picture starts to look more like a collection of dots and less like a photo. The more dots you have to make up the picture, the larger you can expand the picture, and the closer you can get without your eyes noticing the individual dots, like a pointillist painting.

The real advantage of the HDTV and now the HDR feature is the incredible color array. Your HDTV can image an immensely greater color range than your old color TV, even if it was a Sony Trinitron, and you can see fantastic color from any distance.

If a new player doesn’t work with your DVD’s you might want to see if there is a firmware update, since as noted, everything has a chip. I got a new CD player in the last couple years and it initially had trouble playing some of the usual suspects (DaP28, cough) and after a simple firmware update the same player has played everything flawlessly. Knock on wood.

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WsP hit 67 last year. So #70 just topped. That is a lot of shows.

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No box in June, I guess..

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As an aside, 30+7 years ago now would have entering parking lot at Ventura's County Fair grounds. Really nice Sunday afternoon show.

This was 2+ hours ago, try again

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Charlie with the firmware reminder.
Yes, often overlooked.
Why?
Because we don’t read the manual.

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At the end of today’s Bulletin:

“Not to mention 6/20/80 in Anchorage”

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So icecrmcnkd mentioned "an Oakland '91 box" (I believe as a nice-to-have, and not a rumored release) and I'm assuming this was a reference to the October run. But in '91 there's also the three-night midweek stand at Oakland in February, as well as the final NYE run. And despite the NYE run being the last such event, I rarely play any of those shows, whereas I do include 2/21/91 in my rotation as well as 2/20 sometimes (which has Olatunji, and a massively long set II. 2/19 ofc is famous for the NSB breakout after 20 years...)

Just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this. It seems like an eleven-night box from 1991 is too big, and even seven nights is probably too many given that the MSG box set has struggled to sell. As well, if they're really going to do a '91 box, Summer is probably the sweet spot for really consistent, high-intensity shows. Worth pointing out, too, that Bruce Hornsby didn't come out for either February or December. But the thought of wrapping up a year of Oakland in one package seemed interesting... for example, I could also see "best 2 of out of 3 or 4 nights" working, with Halloween as the centerpiece.

Seems unlikely in any case, but I saw a lot of 1991, so it intrigues me strangely...

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That’s what I want.
Don’t know if it’s doable because of guests.

It’s not just MSG, STL Box is still available too.
That’s why a ‘91 Box is needed, helps span the years ‘71, ‘81, ‘91.

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Heard that a while ago on discs from my man Craig

They didn't seem that great

I loaned them to a former coworker and away they went after I abruptly left that gig.

A Full Norman of the run I am certain would bring out the shows' charms

:)))

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54 years ago today the Grateful Dead released Working man's Dead. My favorite Dead album, in fact I think its the greatest record of all time. An absolute masterpiece.

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i know its about the the music, but just got new JGB 2/13/76 and so glad they have an actual art direction that fits the music.

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Set lists

Same after same

Observation not a gripe

"Yeah, the boy can play"

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39 years ago this weekend( along with a lot of other great people who post here on this forum) I was up in Berkeley at the Greek Theatre having an absolute blast with the Good old Grateful Dead. Killer shows, lets get that complete Greek Box Set out there. Stopped at Everett & Jones Bbq on the way home.. Big fun!

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....has been paying attention to the D&C Sphere posters.
All incredibly incredible.
So incredible. They deserve a rare double post lol.

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First off, DaP 50. 5/3 solid, 5/4 bonus material looks great on paper but not my favorite '77 show. Jer sounds a little tired and more interested in playing than singing but rallies for Comes a Time.

Regarding the new JGB, anyone else notice the absurd amount of screams (same one or two guys) recorded on Keystone 2/13/76? Absolutely ruins TLEO and badly dings a couple other tracks. I'm all for hearing it like it was and all but I would also be ok with someone cleaning that crap out of the recordings. It's one thing when fans are into it, another when the screamers seem to be purposely and aggressively inserting themselves into the scene in quiet moments.

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Didn't know they had this one, but George Strait last night had 110,905 paying ticketholders at his show at Texas A&M's football stadium, breaking a record for single concert attendance held by the Grateful Dead for Englishtown 9/3/77, which had 107, 019. Don't see anybody ever coming close to breaking the Watkins Glen record.

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Gotcha icecrmcnkd - and good point, I forgot about Gary Duncan being there on Halloween. And Santana on the 27th. Were there others...? Anyway, that would complicate licensing.

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Right on BTK!!! This iconic west coast venue deserves special recognition (IMO) .... A Greek Box is way over due! Selfishly, 82-87 please!!! With special recognition for the Fri 13th Dark Star in 84..... Unquestionably some of the best times of my life .....tcc

I've seen people yell because they're kind of overcome with emotion at what they are hearing or seeing, and I smile.
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This is how I interpret the sounds on New Jerry.

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49 years ago today, I was up in the balcony at Winterland having a fantastic night with the Good old Grateful Dead. It was a memorial concert for Bob Fried the poster artist. The advertisement listed Keith & Donna Band, Kingfish, and Jerry Garcia and friends. Kingfish blew the roof off the joint they were fantastic. Then out came the Dead to be introduced by Bill Graham, the place was electric. They opened with Crazy Fingers , still my favorite version. What an absolute knockckout of a night. Fun times!

After what Jonathan said I decided to check my DVD’s in my new 4K player.
So far DVD’s 1-3 played fine, no issues.
The video quality is far better than on the DVD player I originally had 10+ years ago. So, thumbs up to upconverting.

Decided to spin the 6-17-91 Blu-ray tonight since it’s the anniversary.
Looks good and sounds good.

More video please Dave.

Oh man.. it almost hurts to read some of the gems you got to see.

Glad you were there, glad you remember so much. If I could go back in time I would live vicariously through your eyes and know I have lived a life fulfilled. Holy smokes, some truly special shows. Thanks for sharing.

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I gave it an archive listen this evening

Yummy

Thank you for the reference BTK

You were there? The envy is all mine

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Disc 1 skipped from track 3 onwards. The further it went, the worse it got and at least the last half was totally unlistenable.

Today a replacement disc arrived and it plays through without a single skip. It's great to finally hear it as it's a fine first set.

Big thanks to MaryE and Mac for sorting it out and getting the replacement disc to me.

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Only posting the following comment at this thread as someone earlier here noted a wish to officially put out a certain show with a dash of AI magic to remove 1 particular screamer in the audience. Well, unfortunately that would've also been welcome with the new JGB vol 21 release.

There's 1 guy who makes the same sound over & over again that sounds like a Neanderthal being caught off guard by some animal ramming him in the nuts. It's more off putting in that this gig is super chill. So he bellows time & again at the most unusual quiet times of a beautiful harmony with Donna Jean or Jer's sweet, slow picking.

Putting aside our Neanderthal in the crowd, some may see this slowed down tempo as plodding. I tend to hear it as adding some more sweetness if you know what I mean.

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blech and blech again

Radio version of 6 19 76

between songs some yutz

"AYAYAYAYAYAYAAA!!!"

repeat frequently

And then theres 6 28 85

And 1 21 71

And

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That's great to hear @Simonrob - last year at about this time, those two esteemed personages + Mr. Dave Lemieux himself were rescuing me from the saga of my twice-stolen Dave's 46. Mac finally put a copy into a mailer and shipped it to me himself. Got it just after the 4th of July.

and @Proudfoot I was in the same spot, had to listen to some '91 after all this discussion. I just got done with 8/16/91. But now I need to get out that Giants Stadium box and go back two months farther...

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