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    Our friends the Rhinos have various and sundry new releases in the development process, but they're always interested in hearing what you'd like to see hit the virtual shelves of the Store. No promises, but you never know...

    This topic is for requesting new box sets. There are also topics for individual shows and DVDs.

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    Plangent Processed Betty Boards subscription series.
    this is an appeal to the powers that be for a new subscription series of 3 times a year of Plangent processed returned "Betty Boards" available in limited edition CDs and digital download forever. the series can start with 2/26/77 Winterland, which would be a sin not to have Plangent processed and instead used for a Dave's Pick release. as shown with previous releases from the "Bettys" the Plangent process significantly improves the sound from the tapes. by offering limited CD and unlimited digital versions it allows for maximum return of investment for the additional processing costs. why do the returned tapes deserve their own series? a tale of the tapes. according to Deadbase, there are 2314 shows, of those there are 450+ Pigpen shows, 403 Keith shows, 810 Brent shows and 378 Vince shows. of the Brent shows almost 700 are cassettes/PCMs recorded by Dan Healy from the PA SBD to check out how Dan's mix sounded, not ever considered for release. The Keith shows were recorded reel to reel from a separate mixing console from the PA and the Betty Boards were mixed on headphones and in no way match what was heard in the hall. don't believe me try an AUD tape for the same show, try a different AUD tape if there is one. these 70s Reel to Reels were also never considered for release. they were for band reference and they had enough of a budget they didn't have to reuse them, like some of the Radio City multi track show tapes that got recycled by Arista after Dead Set & Reckoning came out. aside from 100 or so special events that were recorded on multi track for eventual release that made it into the Vault, everything else is 2 tracks mixed for reference listening, Betty's, FM broadcasts or to hear how the live mix sounded compared to the sound in the hall. the cost of the Plangent process, (analog to digital transfer), precludes them using it on most Dave's Picks because it is cost prohibitive and will probably only be used in box sets from now on. Dave's Picks are not worth the expense or time to Plangent, so instead we get Jeffery Norman magic to try and make it sound as good as possible from the in house master tape digitization. which means releasing the returned Betty's as Dave's picks is denying the chance for future Plangent processing, the good Betty's will be held for the annual box sets as the multi tracks have been already milked for most of what's available. more fall 89 multi tracks anyone? then there's the Bear audio journals, which are basically 2 track mono recordings with the amplified instruments in one channel and the PA (drums, vocals and keyboard) in the other. if you want to make the pre 1969 stuff sound really good, listen to it in mono with the vocals centered and the instruments on top of each other and not next to each other. you are not losing anything as the Bear tapes have no real stereo separation, he was hearing impaired in one ear and couldn't hear stereo. this leaves about 1600 possible shows on stereo tapes of which less than 500 are Reel to Reel and the rest cassette and digital tapes. this means whats left for Dave's choices are mostly cassette SBDs from the PA or he's eating into the potential for future box sets. maybe this means less people will subscribe in the future and there will be more of a chance for the average fan to get a copy of a show he wants ala carte, is that a bad thing? maybe Rhino plans to start allowing digital downloads, but without the budget for Normanization or packaging at $20 a show to start making some profit on the rest of the vault? difficult to believe, as since the bankruptcy of Music Today all previous digital downloads are still unavailable and Warner Music, the new distribution for Dead.net, only has digital downloads for the new releases. from the Spring 90 TOO page Digital Download Digital downloads have been temporarily disabled while we work on resolving the technical issues. Previous purchasers will be notified when the problem is resolved. the first 15 years of the GD the band played mostly small halls to limited audiences, with the large festival exceptions. the 2nd 15 years the band became one of the top selling live acts, for most of the last 10 years they were in football stadiums and huge arenas, so the potential of "i was there" buyers is far greater than the early years. it is very likely more people saw the band with Brent or Vince than the combined years for Pigpen and Keith. it is inevitable that Dave's Picks start mining the last 15 years and now seems as good a time as any. the new licensing deal with Rhino still has 8 years left to prepare releases from whats in the vault. a tale of the times. if you were lucky enough to see the Grateful Dead and didn't have a bad trip while there, chances are you had an entertaining to life changing event. this became formulaic in the late 70s when Drum>Space got locked into a feature of the 2nd set. as tours went on songs became 1st or 2nd set tunes and eventually became limited to slots within their respective sets, with very little deviance until the end. to see the song you wanted meant going to many shows in a row to get it, Morning Dew had a 10 show rotation, Way to Go Home had a 2 show rotation, Bobby tunes had a 4 to 5 day rotation. this made the shows almost ritualistic for those that got it and to some people dancing at a Dead show was the ultimate experience in life. the shows became events and the best party in town where ever they were and worth traveling for. it might take over a thousand miles of touring to get that Dew you wanted. by the time Keith was all used up, Bobby had a keyboardist from his solo band he thought might be a good fit, Jerry saw some Bobby shows, Keith & Donna retired and the rehearsals with Brent started in spring 1979. the fact that Clive Davis the head of Arista records also was lobbying for Brent as a good fit might have helped also. by summer 1979 they were locked into the format, had new tunes, and a keyboard/vocalist that wasn't just part of the rhythm section, but an organist that had an electronic keyboard sound that was going to be big in the 1980s. the band had reinvented itself and was ready to get that hit album that Clive knew was in them. Go To Heaven was not that album, yet Clive Davis was a deadhead before he was their boss and gave them the room they needed. Betty and Brent became involved together and when that went south around the time of Brent's failed solo album, Betty became an Ex and the era of Betty boards was over. from here on it was Healy's PA SBDs that became the reference copies and had the PA mix with Drums, Keyboards and Vocals out front, not to mention Healy's additional effects, and the amplified instruments lower in the mix so they wouldn't feed back. after the return of the acoustic sets and the Dead Set & Reckoning came out they started the 5 years it took to get the material for a new album and the new tunes came at a slower rate. instead the band kept up the tour schedule, the bad habits and added cover tunes to keep the new fans they were getting coming back for more. there was nothing like a Grateful Dead concert and word got out. by this time some amazing AUD tapes were being recorded on customized tape decks with shot gun mics on poles to get them above the crowd. these capture how it sounded in the hall and were more realistic than the SBDs from the PA. as the tours went on it was obvious Jerry wasn't doing well, but he was trying, and the tours continued until he physically couldn't anymore. the worse Jerry's voice got, the louder the crowd singing along got, so gaffs and croaks were less noticed as everyone else was singing the right lyrics. his guitar playing though developed a shreddy quality and the Tiger years have such a sweet sound. what it did lead to was the entire hall getting into the same breathing pattern singing along with Jerry, while doing the happy acid dance and knowing at that moment they were in the best place on earth at that time. this experience worked pretty consistently right up to the end, even though we knew by then it was more about the formulaic ritual experience than it was about the quality of the music being played. to say this music is unworthy of release is wrong. the whole idea of Dave's Picks is to take whats left from the vault and put out the whole shows in the best quality possible and people that subscribe should understand this. it's not about having to own every release just so you don't have a gap in your display because you only like a certain period of the bands 30 year history. if you don't like it give it away to someone that wants it that got shut out. sell it for a profit on ebay, burn it like the devil music you think it is, banish it from your life. this is what the future box sets will most likely be filled with, the returned Betty's using the Plangent process, because the only box from the returned tapes not Plangent processed is the July 78 box that still sits in limbo as the last of the Music Today boxes and failed digital rollout. at this point the July 78 box looks like it was rushed and victim to being a test if they had to Plangent the tapes or in house digitization would do, clearly it is required and worth the added expense and time. july 78 is a great box and concept that should have sold out by now. [It has since been brought to my attention by David Duryea that in fact July 78 was Plangent processed and mentioned in the booklet, just not advertised on the July 78 page. someone at Rhino should fix that and remove the link for the digital download that never happened, it might finally sell out.] if this new box sounds as good as Dave says, "like a whole new tape" because of the Plangent processing, Dave's future picks will have to start on the Brent years to ensure box set potential into the 3rd 10 year licensing deal.
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    "Jake: Greetings! A message to David Lemieux ...How about a boxed set from the many great shows at the Capitol Theatre in Portchester NY including but not limited to the week of The Grateful Dead at Midnight!! It would be nice to have this while those who were at the shows are still alive !! and to Turn On all who would enjoy those fantastic shows in a great venue. And How about some New Riders with Jerry on pedal steel too!! Acoustic Dead, New Riders, Electric Grateful Dead....Sounds like a really good show !!"
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    Or at least 3 box sets from the first 8 months of '71
    I requested below that they release the multitracks of the Skull & Roses shows as a "complete recordings" box set a la Fillmore West 1969/Live Dead and Complete/E72. So that's one. The Portchester shows in February were all (I believe) recorded on multitrack, and we've only seen one show come out on Three from the Vault, so a box set of those would be two. And that incredible ten-show summer tour, from Yale Bowl 7/31 to Gaelic Park 8/26 -- the last run with an all-in Pig, the last run before Keith, the last run with Jerry and Phil playing Gibsons -- would make for a terrific box set, even if some of the shows have already been released. Hollywood Palladium 8/6 has never been released in its entirety, which is an absolute crime. So that's three.
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    All of 1971 please, esp. Spring 71
    All of 1971 please, esp. Spring 71
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    Make it ‘Just Exactly Perfect’
    Plangentize the Bettys. If you have the gems, polish them up.
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    future box sets
    Fox Theater St Louis 10-17-72 through 10-19-72Berkeley Theatre 8-21,22,23,24-1972 Both of these runs most definitely deserve consideration for future box sets.
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    Howdy, I just created a thread same thing. I would buy and love to own "Dead Covers".
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    All the covers
    Howdy everyone, I'm putting it out there that I would buy and love to own a boxset of all the covers. I heard someone say "the Grateful Dead are a cover band". I don't know about that, but I know I love listening them play covers such as Baba O'Reily, The Last Time (it's on now), It's All Over Now, the Dylan songs, etc. Peace and love,
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    Re: Skull and Roses: The Complete Recordings
    Putting my money or actually time where my mouth is, I took the archive SBDs of 1971-03-24, 1971-04-04 to 1971-04-06, and 1971-04-25 to 1971-04-29 (all Charlie Miller save one), and ran them through Audacity to edit out extended tuning breaks, glitches, etc., and pieced it all together as my own personal Skull & Roses: The Complete Recordings. It's 22 hrs, 36 mins total, which would fit almost down to the second on 17 CDs. It sounds great and has a terrific flow from show to show. Sure, there's the usual sloppiness, Duane has a hard time getting into Sugar Mags on 4-26, the Beach Boys are kind of meh the next night (save for Okie from Muskogee), etc., but it paints a terrific period of a distinct era that many of us believe was the apotheosis of the Dead. As someone who was a recording engineer in his previous career, I would kill to have the 16 tracks from all of these shows and an opportunity to mix them in the studio. I know it's a lot easier just to put out SBDs of other shows, but I couldn't think of a more worthwhile project than putting out these complete recordings from the multitracks.
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    So far the boys have only officially released 2 shows from 1985. They had a unique sound that years and played some amazing shows (and some duds). How about releasing the rest of the shows from the month of June. These included: Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/14/85) Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/15/85) Greek Theater (U of California), Berkeley, CA (6/16/85) Alpine Valley Music Theater, East Troy, WI (6/21/85) Alpine Valley Music Theater, East Troy, WI (6/22/85) River Bend Music Center, Cincinnati, OH (6/24/85) (already released on 30 trips) Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, OH (6/25/85) Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY (6/27/85) Hershey Park Stadium, Hershey, PA (6/28/85) Merriweather Post Pavilion, Columbia, MD (6/30/85)
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Our friends the Rhinos have various and sundry new releases in the development process, but they're always interested in hearing what you'd like to see hit the virtual shelves of the Store. No promises, but you never know...

This topic is for requesting new box sets. There are also topics for individual shows and DVDs.

If you've already requested something in the previous Requests topic, you don't really need to request it again, but hey, if you just can't help yourself...

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Outdoor Venue 83-85
6 Shows
79 Songs (excluding Drums)
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Around And Around x3
Good Lovin' x3
He's Gone x3
Looks Like Rain x3
My Brother Esau x3
Baby Blue x2
Big Railroad Blues x2
Cassidy x2
China Cat Sunflower x2
Cumberland Blues x2
Day Job x2
Estimated Prophet x2
Eyes Of The World x2
I Know You Rider x2
Let It Grow x2
Little Red Rooster x2
Loser x2
Man Smart-Woman Smarter x2
Might As Well x2
Samson And Delilah x2
Stella Blue x2
Sugar Magnolia x2
Tennessee Jed x2
The Other One x2
Throwin' Stones x2
Truckin' x2
U.S. Blues x2
Alabama Getaway
Althea
Black Peter
Brokedown Palace
Brown-Eyed Women
C.C. Rider
Casey Jones
Cryptical Envelopment
Dancin' In The Streets
Dear Mr. Fantasy
Dire Wolf
Don't Ease Me In
Don't Need Love
Dupree's Diamond Blues
Feel Like A Stranger
Fire On The Mountain
Franklin's Tower
Friend Of The Devil
Gimme Some Lovin'
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Greatest Story Ever Told
Hell In A Bucket
Help On The Way
It's All Over Now
Jack Straw
Jack-A-Roe
Keep On Growing
Mama Tried
Me And My Uncle
Mexicali Blues
Mississippi Half-Step
Morning Dew
New Minglewood Blues
Not Fade Away
Peggy-O
Playin' In The Band
Satisfaction
Scarlet Begonias
Shakedown Street
Slipknot!
Stagger Lee
Tennessee Jed
Terrapin Station
The Music Never Stopped
They Love Each Other
Touch Of Grey
Uncle John's Band
Walkin' Blues
Wang Dang Doodle
West LA Fadeaway
Wharf Rat
Why Don't We Do It In The Road

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Can we discuss some sort of ‘81 Europe box set or releases? Some real gems in there and ‘81 is soooooo underrated!

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How about a 1974 Wall of sound box set.
Or an Alaska 1980 box.

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A couple days ago on Sirius TIGDH David Lemieux played some tunes from the 7-1-1973 Universal Amphitheater show. I was fortunate to see 2 of 3 of this 3-night run 6-29, 6-30, 7-1-1973 and was wondering if it could possibly be considered for a future small box release. The venue was brand new and still a virgin open-air outdoor amphitheater was since converted to an indoor venue. The GD was THE very first act to play there that weekend and covered a lot of the newer & as-yet unreleased material. Frank Sinatra was the "Official" first artist doing a week of shows a few days later but the Dead had already christened it in a spectacular way.
This was a short notice ticket sale event that as I recall was only listed locally 2 or 3 weeks before. I went to the box office on day of Saturday show and scored 2 front row seats on piano side of the stage with a great view of Garcia & Weir and some great interplay.
Should definitely be given a listen.

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Looking for some help in the area Of landing some tunes to jam out to as I’m a Wounded Warrior Marine and while SLIPKNOT helps the Dead help more
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End 2023 with Watkins Glen release.

2024 box set: 1974

2025 box set: MASSIVE 1985, and give us working class folk enough notice to pull the money together for it, thanks in advance.

As always a crispy Summer 82' box set someday.

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The end of the Summer Tour in '91 was hot, hot, hot! So how about a box with the DVD/Blu-Ray of the 6/22/91 Chicago show, boxed up with the following three shows--6/24 & 6/25/91 (Sandstone--both shows have been played on SiriusXM) and 6/28/91 (Mile High--which was on a GD Hour)?

The three shows at the Richfield Coliseum (9/4-6/91) to kick off the Fall Tour were pretty dang hot as well . . .

Thanks for your consideration!

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Especially for the later years, but you could even be more creative for lesser tapped years like 68 or 86.

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it seems to work for the CDs why not try it with vinyl? The pressing plants backlog has gotten way better why not offer 4 box sets a year (just an idea could be more/less) This would be way cooler than just something else for Record store day. Made to order type deal...this way the fans get what we want and no worries about investing in 10000 box sets that may not sell out. Id be all about it...anyone else?

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With next year being the 50th anniversary of 1974 why not release the 2005 Grateful Dead Movie 5 cd Soundtrack as a vinyl box set? I’d also love to see the Ladies and Gentleman the Grateful Dead 4 cd box set come out on vinyl. Both would be big vinyl box sets but I’d dish out the cash for it. Both come from 16 track recordings and would sound excellent on vinyl and look great next to my other GD box sets

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Is this ever going to be released on vinyl? Further, is there an optimal place to check for upcoming vinyl releases? Much thanks!

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5-CD box set to span the all years, different band configurations: 1970/1980/1981/1994; hint hint nudge nudge...Alfred, Warfield, Radio City, San Mateo, BCT + any others you feel are appropriate thank you for listening
Peace All!

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June/July 1985.

Dave was quite enthusiastic about summer 85 in his office chat, yet picked Frost for DaP49.
So hopefully he’s saving the summer shows for a Box.
6-27,28,30
7-1,2,13,14
Maybe a few more since some of them will fit on 2 CD’s.

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Will make a great box. Betty boards. Has the swagger.
Cheers

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and everyone loves 1974, so BOX ME UP!
let's start with the COMPLETE shows from IOWA & LOUISVILLE,
for a total 4 shows in the box, by adding of any of these 2 (oakland, atlanta, springfield)
would leave us with nothing left to do but SMILE

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I would love to see the 1980 Warfield Theartre and Radio City Music Hall Acoustic & Electric shows as a box set. That would be amazing!

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I think the Tower Theater shows from Upper Darby, PA in June of 1976 would make a killer box set! Whether it’s a box set or a Dave’s picks or whatever, I think they deserve an official GD release! Thanks!

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Hey rockers!!!!

Next box? Early 1969. From the OSF reels. Will include Vegas from March and the Avalon run from early April. Unless they want to hold Vegas for single release and include the Ark shows instead. Or maybe the February Philly shows? Heck, make it a mega mega box!!!!!

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That's it exactly Doc. Just whats needed for a 69 box, after the FW supernova, shows you note, Avalon, Ark, et al first half of the year represent the mature, fully flowered primal phase. Fortunate to have some as downloads, audio issues would resolve with a most welcome update by Norman and crew. Time to revisit FW early June series, been a while.

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Gents! I think an interesting path for boxsets would be "Holiday Shows"...boxset of NYE shows across years...boxset of July 4th shows across years...

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...SET of the BEST shows from JULY 2, 3, and 4th; named...what else...but...of course, US BLUES!

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...during a recent 12 hour R/T drive with a bit of brain stimulation,...yup GOT more IDEAS lol, for BOXES, like in SETS of...

SOLDIER FIELD an easy 8-10 CD's

JUNE 28 could easily cover 8-10 SHOWS, 1967/1969/1976/1979/1983/1985/1987/1988/1991/1992

thnx :) for LISTENING!

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I'd love to see a box of all the acoustic shows from 1970 and 1980, as well as the 1981 European acoustic shows.

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I hope for a bits & pieces box set in the future from Fall 1966 to Fall 1970. Most of all bits & pieces from Fall 1967 to Spring 1969. Good mind expanding music.

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8/12-14/79 would make a lovely mini-box.
Affordable and concise.
You could make me and HF very happy.
Cheers
And as RYXS suggests add the Oakland shows before that and you have a 5 show box.

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we slowly inch our way to the summer solstice...so too are we slowly inching our way to the joy or for some people the dysphoria of the 2024 box set announcement.

stay HAPPY!
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PLEASE PLEASE DESIGN A BOX SET FOR MSG OVER HALLOWEEN. I THINK IT WAS 1980. I THINK IT WAS A 5 DAY RUN? INCLUDING EITHER 1 OR 2 ACOUSTIC SETS. UNCLE JOHNS BAND WAS AN ENCORE. I WILL PAY BIG DOLLARS FOR THIS. PLEASE DO THIS IN 2024.

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Hey rockers!!!

Top three of my "Box Set WIsh List":

Fillmore West February and April 1970 (from the banana boxes)
Texas Fall 1972
February 1973 (especially 2/15 and 2/19)

Well, one can always wish.............

Rock on my friends!

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For anyone who has the HCS box set, take a look at the "Producer's Note" section of the booklet. I found some of this worth a reread as we await this year's box:

"Every one of the boxed sets is a thrilling, 18-plus-month process... the ultimate goal is for Deadheads to acquire a beautifully packaged, sonically spectacular piece of the Dead's aural history..."

"...as I write this, in February 2023, I'm already deep into work on the concept and the music that will become the 2024 boxed set."

So there's not much else there to hang your hat on as far as what will be released this year, but it's still a pretty good window into how things work. One more tidbit for now:

"And a little-known fact: a few years ago, when we released the Pacific Northwest box set, we very nearly released these five shows [HCS box] instead. It came down to the wire."

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Box set recap by year

HCS (2023) - '73
Garden (2022) - '81 '82 '83
River (2021) - '71 '72 '73
June '76 (2020) - '76
Giants (2019) - '87 '89 '91
PacNW (2018) - '73 '74
GStL (2017) - '77
July '78 (2016) - '78
30 Trips (2015) - all
Spring 1990 TOO (2014) - '90
May 1977 (2013) - '77
Spring 1990 (2012) - '90
Europe (2011) - '72
Winterland (2009) - '77
Winterland (2008) - '73
Fillmore West (2005) - '69

I've left out all the single-show releases and even the two-show mini boxes like Warlocks (2010), RFK Stadium (2017), etc. This was just meant to capture years represented by each of the annual big-budget box set releases. I also left off Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack because it's so piecemeal; it feels more like a massive Road Trips-style box. But YMMV. Hopefully I didn't miss anything.

One thing to note: this still-hypothetical AK/HI box would fill in two gaps ('70 and '80). I'd also note there's been nothing from '69 released in nearly two years (since Dave's Vol 43) and given that the year 1969 now lies 55 years in the past, perhaps 1969 is (over)due for some love here in 2024...

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Many of the road trip series releases, especially earlier on, were partial compilations. How about a series of boxes remastered with plangent called the complete road trips or similar. Would contain the complete shows from anything included in a compilation disc. So for example, the very first road trips, fall 1979, would yield : 10/25; 10/31; 11/6; 11/8; 11//9; 11/10. Could do one a year.

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It seems that Southern California has gotten the short shrift. Yes, they released 2 UCLA shows and one Santa Barbara show, but the Dead played Hollywood Palladium and Hollywood Bowl, 13 times at The Shrine, 12 times at Long Beach Arena, 11 times at Ventura County Fairgrounds, 15 times at the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, 3 times at the Universal Amphitheater, 7 times at the Forum in Los Angeles, Carson, and many others, not to mention 18 times in San Diego. How about a Southern California box set or two?

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9-25, 26, 27-1981 Stabler Arena, War Memorial, Cap. Centre

10-18, 19, 20-1989 Spectrum

3-16, 17, 18-1993 Capital Centre

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2nd Choice June 1989 Shoreline shows.
6-18-89 - Brent is hammered, i am in the front row....good show
6-19-89 - Best show of the run, maybe the month, every song is outstanding
6/21-89 - Sumer Solistice show.

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Release this on vinyl please! What an awesome pair of shows, early Brent-era GD firing on all pistons.

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Y'all knew it was good enough to release highlights on a video - now let's do this series of shows justice and do a 3-part release.

Let's be honest here, we need more fire Brent-era shows on vinyl.