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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2061
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    as for the Weirwolf screaming

    There are some early Pig Lovelights where Bob's screaming at the end is pretty much unlistenable to me. Some early NFAs are a close second. Not sure how he didn't permanently mess up his vocal cords way early on. And for the record, I have no problems with Donna on Playing. Not even close.

    I have no issues with his later theatrics with Estimated, etc.

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    what a freaking screamer of a show. awesome pick. thanks DV.

    went with the Dr Goodseeds matrix.

    also really enjoyed Doc's rec of 6/14/69. sounded sweet to my ears.

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    Weir screaming

    Weir screaming on St. Stephen, on Aoxomoxoa, sounds great. Also with Pig Pen on Not Fade Away is a knockout.

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    I'm a recovered bobslideahateaholic. After years of therapy, I have finally embraced Bob as the artist and songwriter he deserved to be. In truth, my favorite Bob days were with his Gibson ES-335. The slide and Ibanez never fully gelled with me.. as for histrionics, I think they started with Not Fade Away circa early on, thinking late 70 through 71 might have done the most damage to his vocal chords.

    I don't know man.. but at this point, I think he fully deserves his seat at the throne. I have forgiven him for years of slide abuse and yelping that outside of pornhub and the Jackson Five, has never been captured on tape before or since. God love'em.. Bob is ok with me.

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    @OB re: Bob's screaming

    Ok, maybe not over the top rock and roll screaming a la a vintage Minglewood, say 5-15-70 or earlier. I'm more thinking about when the effeminate yelping began in tunes like LL Rain and Estimated. He wasn't pulling that kind of stuff in earlier incarnations of at least those 2 tunes, so I was wondering if anyone really nailed down when those sorts of antics started or was it more of an evolution. He doesn't do that kind of crap anymore does he? Sometimes he can sound to me like Will Ferrell's Harry Caray impression. I forget which tune it was that I hear that in, but it's definitely 80's/90's. :-P

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    6/14/69: another hot but dirty 69. Recording a tad oversaturated, but not bad and a fine 69.
    Thanks to Doc for being our primal concierge! Boy it’s a shame they didn’t break some of these tunes out years later: Doin that Rag, Friend of Mine, and not here but Mountains of the Moon etc. can you imagine, well at least Phil broke em out eventually. The Eleven too! Interesting early Dire Wolf, sounds like Bobs sitting out and Phil’s playing very basic accompaniment. Cool sheet Mon.

    Gary, you talking bout Ventura? Bet those were fun. Only got there once working Futhur tour in 96 but I was Dead dreaming the whole time. Can only imagine…

    WTJ: I’d say the screaming started long before those. Maybe it was because of Janis, or, seemed like it was a thing early on in rock, and hey I’ve heard those Lysergic sugar cubes can give ya a real energy boost too. I think maybe they got Donna doing it too? I also believe I read somewhere once that Bob got all into primal scream when that was a “thing” BITD? But that would of been probably more around when those songs you speak of came round?

    I’m sure it’s an acquired taste, and BITD there were times when I loved it. But sometimes…not so much.
    Really it’s just more nowadays as at 60 it doesn’t resonate like it used to. An occasional short blast for affect is one thing, but sometimes you think “unless he strokes out he’s never gonna stop” LOL.
    Good ole Weir, always good for a laugh, it must of been fun hanging with the crew especially when they picked on the kid!

    Wish I had something else on the short side lined up. Don’t think I could get a full show in?
    Oh well, perhaps hang it up and see what tomorrow brings…

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    Memories

    Misty watercolor memories...

    Just sittin (on top of the world) here.

    Reflecting back 35 years. Sitting on the rail right in front of Jerry. Dosed to the tilt. Only around 3,500 present, beautiful late spring day. Palm trees swaying, fronds crackling with electricity. Very nice show to reflect on...as is the whole weekend.

    Been spending a pretty good amount in deadbase. Just a wealth of info. Sometimes, just chasing rabbits and thinking statistically. Just in case, thanks to John, Stu, Mike.

    I remember getting the two big binders xeroxed, pre-publication, and just spending countless hours reviewing and playing fantasy dead.

    Hope Dead & Company have a great show tonight. Thought about PPV but show wont start until 9:30 my time, I am too old for this sht. I am sure I will grab one or two PPV before all over.

    Dead and company have now placed a + in their logo, good job. Way back yonder, in days of old, when trade was by camels and caravans, that is what company meant. Caravan. So by adding the plus sign the fellas are giving an inclusion of the travelling caravan, the heads who keep pushing this bus forward.

    Saw 3 panic shows a couple of weeks back. Then ordered 3 PPV/on demand of the same weekend with Phish. Just a lot of great music. Really noticed on Phish, wow, average age is late 20's to early 30's. Was a bit shocking to me, especially seeing the one old deadhead there. Man, more power to you Sir!

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    Weir's histrionic tendencies

    It would be interesting to nail down precisely when they started in tunes like LL Rain, Estimated, etc. Was it a gradual thing or did it begin in a specific tour or show?

    To the archive! :-) Stay cool all...

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    6/14/69: I’m in!

    10/31/79: didn’t get a good listen, but most of what I heard I liked!
    Don’t recall much of the first set standing out, perhaps the newish Sailor/Saint, but the second set definitely had some big moments. Seemed like the medication factor both helped and hindered at times? I’ve always liked it when they get a little over the top and taking chances. Sure the slop quotient can go up, but more so the X factor and interesting directions and variations.
    That’s how this cool Shakedown seemed to me, as especially noteworthy near the back of the jam if you listen to the unique sorta one note pounding foundation that Phil’s laying down. It’s a good representation of the sort of full throttled boozey, cocky, machismo vibe that permeates much of this show.
    Sure it’s not pristine, but it’s what makes this a great Shakedown.
    Same with Passenger. Not always pretty, and Bob fumbles early, but full on roaring R&R!
    A nice Ramble On in an unusual (non 70s) second set slot, followed by Estimated Eyes. I like that Bob hasn’t started to scream so much in Estimated as the screaming nonsense has not aged well for me at least. Funny I never realized just how much screaming went on BITD. But unfortunately today it is sometimes hard to take, for moi anyway.
    Perhaps one of the coolest parts of this show for me was the sweet jam outta Eyes, with a drums/space perhaps more indicative of the future than the status quo? That whole sequence was a highlight for me, landing in yet another Rat, but Bob brings it up again with another of those aforementioned rowdy and jammy rockers, Truckin, which ends up being the big closer. Of course a rowdy rockish night like this needs a R&R finish, and what’s more R&R than JBG!
    Interesting show, good, but not sure I’d call it 11/6 or 12/1 good?

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    Hey, rockers!!!

    Pick of the day: Monterey June 14 1969

    How about a Lovelight sandwich? It’s huge! Subway would be jealous……………

    The Dead are still a bit of a west coast cult jam band, so here we are in a gymnasium again. It’s not the Pigfest that Moraga was, but it’s still very fine and very enjoyable. It clearly demonstrates that not only could the Dead jam out on their psychedelic magnum opus Star, but they could do it backing Pigpen’s blues rave-ups.

    Plus it has another cool version of He Was A Friend Of Mine……………

    Scott Clugston put out a very nice---and pitch corrected---remaster of this unheralded show last December. We should be grateful, and it’s worth a listen. And while it may never be officially released (there’s a couple of edits), it does reveal that, given modern sonic technology, some Summer 69 shows are potentially releasable……………………..

    So what are they waiting for????

    Doc
    I’m a couple sandwiches short of a picnic…..

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

I completely agree.

On occasion and if I'm not careful volume gets the best of me. One day I might live to regret this. Thankfully, that day was not today.

A new one for me. Some sound weirdness especially in and around banter, but what the hey.

I don't know what it is, but I have soft spot for The Eleven, Born Cross-Eyed and especially New Potatoe Caboose. Good show with some vintage grease to end the night with me feeling a little dirtier than I did when I woke up.

If there's no pick for tomorrow, I suggest the next in line. It's a partial, starts with a rare Clementine. 1/20/68 Euraka Municipal Auditorium. I think we should set up a go fund me to find all the missing reels, there's a couple missing from this show. It would be something for them to be found.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 09/06/2024 - 06:15

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Hey Jim, I know you have had a lot on you plate this year. Thanks for checking this one out. Yes, the recording is decent, not great. Like a lot of 88 recordings out there. Still think they have some good ones in the Vault.

I liked the show, anytime I see a Hey Pocky Way, I am in. Nice Shakedown to open the second set. Love the triple Encore with China Rider OMSN.

It is good to get out of the comfort zone once in a while Doc.

Carousel Ballroom 68, okay Jim, Ok will have to que it up this morning.

Enjoy the weekend out there.

Edit. Oh and after the carousel ballroom I will be moving on the 12/9/79, Dave's Picks #47. Love this one and I need some 79. If I had the keys, I would be putting out a big 79 Box.

44 years ago today, there when Roy Buchanan along with Levon and His All Stars opened for the Dead. My last in person show, on the bus since their first album, however things had changed so much.... Doc was there, a wild late summer scene, part of my farewell to Maine.

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-timefavorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solide offical release. It is worthy......

Doc
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Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-time favorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solid official release. It is worthy......

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 09/07/2024 - 05:42

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I'm in - hopefully sometime this weekend I can transport my mind and spirit into late summer beautiful day/evening Maine. Sounds like a dream show and setting. Very cool that a couple of you guys got to be there. Didn't realize this was the last show before the Warfield run. Long and heartfelt write up on grateful seconds (he was there). Comment at the end from a guy who was 8 at the time and lived a "bike trail" away from the fairgrounds. Listened to part of the show from his clubhouse. Rode his bike over and snuck in. Totally dug the Drums. Made major bank (for a kid) collecting cans and bottles for deposit afterwards (which is exactly what 8 yr old me would have done.) Think I might travel John Deere with the Jim Wise FOB.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 09/09/2024 - 21:03

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But back this week. I can do Lewiston again.

As I recall there is not a good soundboard that circulates, right? And the one that does is first set only and it sure does sound like an audience (or ultramatrix on steroids at least).

High energy though.. like Gainesville, there must have been something in the water.

You have to wonder if this was recorded and if so where the hell are the master tapes? I think someone (Parrish??) tossed out the language that some of the master reels were left on the seat and when the truck pulled away they must have flown out the window or something.

I'd love to see more reels (and cassettes) returned.

Anyway, Lewiston Me for me tomorrow.

Edit: Started tonight - why not? Gave up on the "soundboard" and settled on the Jim Wise same as Bluecrow. Good news, Bluecrow.. The John Deere Broke down and was sitting in the yard for the last half of the week. I got it working today. Had to replace the solenoid. Damned electronics are always interfering with time travel. Just imagine if this broke back in time before Jebediah Solenoid created the first working model for riding mowers.. we would have been screwed.. I mean, nothing wrong with being stuck in 1980 but why not go back another 10 to 15 years...

High energy is right. Pretty good audience.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/10/2024 - 21:33

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While I was in the neighborhood, I took a quickie with 11/28/80 Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL (30 Trips).

I figured why not.. most enjoyable, especially To Lay Me Down. Not sure why I like that song so much, but I do.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 09/12/2024 - 08:07

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Ah, yes, more 1980. You don't have to twist my arm. A shorter show for the time period, but still really good. Will get it going after I finish up Dicks #36, which was mentioned on some other threads. Such a great show, but apparently didn't sell well at the time. No idea why.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/12/2024 - 17:31

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Random Musing - 1980

My favorite non-multi-track 1980 release has got to be Dave's # 8, 11/30/80 Fox Theater. Love how that Matrix worked out. If anyone remembers the seaside chat, he was spot on.

Crowd noise was not as big an issue in 1980 as they could play in some pretty intimate venues. Also, as the age of the cassette master replaced the lovely Ms. Cantor Jackson, a lot of those early soundboards are a bit sterile sounding without the crystalline highs and the booming lows. Blending those early 80's soundboards with one of those near perfect audience masters works. When they aged out of the smaller, cooler venues (thinking after Jerry's coma and In The Dark) audience tapes had to compete with hundreds of the guy next to you screaming "JERRY!!" at 95 decibels, this was no longer possible.

That SBD/Dr. Bob matrix is almost exactly perfect (or as good we are going to get for the time).

On the opposite side of the same coin, I think some of the Ultra Matrix's have a bit too much of the guy yelling JERRY! then I sometimes want to hear. Thinking a lot of 87 suffers from this, and by then the audience tapes were no better.

Anyway, if Mr. Norman can pull of similar wizardry I wish they would do more like DaP#8.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 09/24/2024 - 04:20

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Pick of the day? September 24, 1972. Because..............Dark Star!

Minor rain storm headed my way................

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils......

Rock on!

Doc
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 09/29/2024 - 13:45

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It's an early audience, but contains one of the few Seven's that were recorded.

09/29/69 Cafe au Go-Go - New York City, NY

It's no betty board, but an interesting inflection point in GD history, so maybe worthy of our time. Primal GD on the heels of WMD Americana GD.

Despite the recording quality, it's pretty good for a 1969 audience. Worth the trip for the Seven alone. Plus, it's pretty short. Something different, something quick, and well, it's really something.

So why not mix it up with a shortie from the fall of 1969.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 09/30/2024 - 07:20

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Will mix this in as I listen to the new box today. Thanks Jim.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/04/2024 - 19:03

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Been a while, just wanted to say hello. Watching the Dark Star from 10/18/74, cool to see video of Ned on stage, as well as see Jerry interact with the head nod. Enjoyed the April 78 release. With the 50th anniversary of the Winterland shows a few weeks away, doesn't look like anything is happening. Be good everyone. Bob t

Hey Bob T, how have you been man? Hope all is well.
Yes, love that bonus footage from the GDM soundtrack. Might be one of my favorite UJB.
I have been traveling for work this week so still haven't made a dent in the new box, but loving it so.far.
Good thing there is no rush at this point.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 12:43

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Hope everyone is enjoying the new box set. Really enjoying it so far over here.

If anyone is interested in a pick, it has been a while, how about 5/16/81, Barton Hall from the 30 Trips box?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 16:19

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Started playing it last night and finished it tonight.

Good call DV.
And I’m having a Bell’s Octoberfest too. They’re gone from the store but I have 5 more cans in the fridge.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 21:40

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Nice Conekid, must be esp.

Enjoyed the show again, nice Shakedown Bertha, Sailor Saint. Show ends with that audience patch.

Enjoy the last few Octoberfests. Still have a couple six packs to get through. Would buy a few more but the self life of this beer is only 3 months and it goes bad fast.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 10/19/2024 - 03:33

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Good morning fellow rockers!!!

October 19, 1971

The second great seismic shift of 1971. The Yang to the Yin of February 18. Similar, yet different. Old, yet new. A vision of the new era. Change can be for good if you combine audacity with safety………

An old friend missing, a new guy who seems to fit in right away. Six new songs. The return of the complete CE/TOO/CE suite. The unusual occurrence of back-to-back Garcia songs twice in the first set. The first of the Fall 1971 FM broadcasts. One of only two 1971 shows that featured both Black Peter and Brokedown Palace. There ain’t no grease, but there’s plenty of Bakersfield left, as well as big jams.

Not without its rough edges, yet somehow it hangs together oh so well. Absolutely historic and worthy of a serious listen……

Rock on!!
Doc
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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 10/20/2024 - 01:28

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Morning, rockers!!

This is for AJS. He'll know what I'm talking about...........

October 20, 1984, Carrier Dome. The last show we saw on that tour, maybe not Augusta level but very enjoyable. We had a great time. Maybe it was the liquid 25, courtesy of Deadhead Fred, a little drop'll do ya!!

Or maybe it was the music. Worth a listen!!!

If I had known being insane was so much fun, I'd have gone crazy long ago.....

Rock on,

Doc
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10-20-84 - Syracuse

I was there also, think I met doc in the bathroom during drums,,, he was wearing a tie-dye :-)

My records show we rated Jack Straw at end of set one, a plus 2. Also second set opener of Shakedown got a plus 2 rating from our crew. We have the Black Peter that night at a plus 1.

Thing I remember was the air pressure blowing you out of the exit doors,,, deadheads LOVED this,,, kept going back in just to be blown out!

My wife went to Syracuse (both her parents also!)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 10/20/2024 - 21:22

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Love the energy of this show. I'm pretty sure I tossed this out for a pick of the day a few years ago. I was not there, but hey.. we make it to the shows we can and hope for magic and a lightning strike or two.

Still, an enjoyable show and how about that Jack Straw. Another one where I wish I was there.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 10/21/2024 - 18:08

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Just finished set 1.
It’s a Miller, but the file on my music player doesn’t have an ID number.
Vocals are pretty weak in some places. The playing seems to be trying to make up for it.
Shakedown poking around now…..

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I would have had fun had I been there.
Drums/Space was good.
I’ll listen to it again.

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November 7, 1971
Harding Theater, San Francisco, California

Deadicated to bolo24, because I will not follow where the path may lead, but I will go where there is no path, and I will leave a trail……

Great and classic show and a long-time personal favorite. It has pretty much everything you could ask of the Dead in this era. Rockers, Cowboy songs, hot jams, the unusual coupling of Dark Star and The Other One, an unbelievably smoking NFA transition jam (maybe the best ever?), plus even the often-expected equipment difficulties, AND jokes from the audience! The circulating broadcast copies are excellent quality and highly recommended. The band sounds loose, and the crowd sounds juiced. OK yes there’s no Pigpen, but still highly highly recommended, a classic of the first rank!!

Rock on!!
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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 11/07/2024 - 04:22

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I didn't see the notice about the next Bear's Journal, John Hammond.

If you missed too, it's available on Amazon and Bear's site.

Okay, seems like we need a pick.

How about 10/19/72 from the glorious LTTR Box? Love this box.

Good to see this box finally sold out. We need to make sure these all sell out in order to keep the train rolling.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/11/2024 - 19:04

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Might take me more than a day though, but I'm in.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 11/12/2024 - 20:18

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Thanks Jim.
Another fantastic show from the Fox!
There is something about these shows. Might be the Birdsong that adds to the overall enjoyment.
Can you imagine if they played Birdsong in Europe that year?

Taking my time with the new box, so it is fun to jump around, which is so fun with all this incredible music.

Can we add a fifth release in December? Call it For the Faithful Volume 1.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 11/14/2024 - 16:06

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Anniversary today.
It’s a RT Bonus Disc.

Expected that Doc would have pointed that out.
Maybe he did on another page.

Yes, the LTTR Box is glorious.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 11/15/2024 - 04:45

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Mornin' rockers! And happy Friday!

Fell asleep yesterday so forgot all about TCU. But I did remember it's an underrated show..........

Austin, Texas, November 15, 1971. Brings back fond memories of my tape trading days, when I had an unbelievably good copy of the FM broadcast. Starts high with strong Truckin', throw in a sweet first set Dark Star, a fiery NFA transition jam, and the usual country/western/new material suspects, and there you have it!! Really fine, very enjoyable show that is worthy of its official release status.

Of course, November 15 1972 will also do nicely...............

We're on this planet for the briefest of moments in cosmic terms, and I want to spend that time thinking about what I consider the deepest questions. LIke, what's for lunch?

Rock on!

Doc
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