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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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February 26, 2022 - 6:50am

#2601

Dennis

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8/24/72

Picked a little at this because of Oro.

Not sure what "copy" of this I have, but it's top shelf. Listening to Dew, GREAT recording, GREAT I tell ya!
February 26, 2022 - 3:59am

#2602

daverock

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Summer 72-boxes

Oro-I've always had that feeling, that summer 72 is a bit of a lull between the twin peaks of Europe and Fall.

I like that idea about future boxes too-a few cherry picked shoes from a year then all the rest in a big box. It would be nice to see a change of pace ( an accelerated one, obviously!) in the way shows are released. I think the times call for it
February 25, 2022 - 4:31pm

#2603

icecrmcnkd

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8-24-72

I had it on cassette and really liked it. Thus, (and wrongfully so) I was disappointed when Dave picked 8-25-72 for release.
So I’m listening to 8-25-72 now.
This weekend I’m planning on processing some torrent files and will get 8-24-72 into the system of audio formats and HD’s, and will then give it a listen.
February 25, 2022 - 1:44pm

#2604

Oroborous

Joined:
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24s

2/24/74: yep, one of my top Dave’s favs, Skeletor Skater, right up there with the Scooby Doo house!
I didn’t partake though as I’m going to wait and follow 42 with it when it comes. “Anticipa-a-a-tion, it’s making me wait”.
8/24/72: as much as I bitched about why did he not pick this one etc when DaP 24 came out, I can now maybe see why. This one starts out, good, but perhaps not necessarily the finely balanced starship of early 72? Is it me, or is summer 72 kinda a no man’s land of 72? Good, but not great comparatively (to the rest of 72? ) Perhaps just a tad mellower?

But as is often the case, they eventually start shifting gears and into the second set really get hold of the old Spockein mind meld. Even DG gets better after a shaky start. Suppose it’ll get released someday, just wonder how?
I mean we’re getting to the point where at the current lumbering pace, there’s only going to be so many more shows released. Say double what we’ve already received? Now that’s a decent output, but when/if you start to really look at things, you can start to wonder how many of these good, but perhaps not great shows, will get chosen instead of some great ones?
Now before y’all gather a lynch mob, look at it this way. Think about how many 72 shows will actually see the light of day, a relatively small number?, Then think about how many great or good ones there are left, and you can see they probably won’t all be resealed. So that means the coach has to make cuts cause there’s only so many uniforms.
So that becomes the uncomfortable part, who’ll make the team and who won’t, at least based on past choices etc?
Now multiply the same scenario of X shows over other Prime years, and perhaps you can understand the logistics, and why I wonder if some of these shows will get out or not?
So with that logic, I wouldn’t necessarily pick this as a single release compared to X number of other 72s, but I could see it included in some kind of box package? That HAS been an MO, package some B, B+ shows in with some A+ etc.
I guess the point I’m trying to get at is, if ya crunch the numbers, this dribbling out single shows with one smallish box a year means questionable choices/cuts are going to get made, and a lot of good stuff will not get out, based on taper bias.
Yes, Fortunately we have streaming options, but why not get a little more aggressive: why not drop what’s left of certain years with perhaps limited worthy/available shows in one fell swoop i.e., say he saves/pulls one or 2 p, or 3 single release worthy shows from 74 and then releases what’s left in a 74 box. Boom, one big year complete. Rinse and repeat with say 68, 69, 76, 77, Save a few big appropriate choices from those choice years to save/have for DaP etc, to doll out, but drop the rest of the best from each year, that doesn’t have a ton of unreleased available shows?
You could probably also do the same with the later years eventually? But The rest of the years/stuff, who knows what or if anything will happen?
Sure some of these might get big and pricey, but not everyone will want say a big 77 box. But the freaks who really dig 77 would love it. Some might grumble about the cost, but most of the truly 77 faithful would do it.
That way the rest of folks, some who might feel they have enough 77, could still get a cherry picked couple of 77s Ala DaP, but could skip the mass release. This would free up more single and other pics and boxes for more variety AND to help ensure that some of these good/great “borderline” picks don’t get skipped over for more headscatchers.

Like 8/30/83, is a GOOD show, (you should check it out DV), but is it a top pick for 83, and thus release worthy? I think this is the taper bias problem again. Many shows are picked because at one time, that was one of the few from that time that had a good tape! So we’re picking today, because of limited choices/tapes from the past, instead of which shows are best, if that makes sense? How could a truly fantabulas show be great, if no one’s heard it?
How many times have we checked out an unknown show here on POT Day, that blew us away, but that relatively no one’s ever heard of?
With the archive and the huge amount of shows that ARE now available, why are we still picking shows based on the limited knowledge/tapes available forty years ago?
Best illustration of this: 5/8/77. Great show to be sure, but best ever? I think if folks had the internet and access to better quality tapes BITD, maybe Cornell would be considered differently? But since there was no net, and it was one of the few great tapes of a great show, the legend/myth grew?
Just a theory, sorry to ramble, but it’s the one thing about this culture I don’t like, taper bias!
Hey HF ain’t the only one with theories! ; )

Ok, going 6/25/92 just cause…
February 25, 2022 - 8:11am

#2605

JimInMD

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8/24/72

Another one of my personal Summer/Fall '72 favorites.
February 25, 2022 - 5:47am

#2606

DeadVikes

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8/24/72

I was totally out of pocket yesterday. Wasn't able to get any music in at all. Definitely want to check out 8/24/72 OB. I mean, come on it is 72 BCT. I will also need to go back to the 83 OR show, but it doesn't should like it is getting rave reviews.

My first ever bootleg in 1985 was 12/30/83 and that Shakedown Street changed my life. Still have it.

Jim, yes Dave's #13 is a great release. What a show. Definitely in my top 5 of Dave's Picks. Can't wait for #42.

Enjoy it out there.
February 25, 2022 - 3:22am

#2607

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

No nukes

How many 'No Nukes' benefits did the Dead do? I can only think of 1-13-78, but that's a 'Stop Nuclear Power' benefit. Any dedicated 'No Nukes' shows? Something like that might be appropriate for today, or even for the next several days at least come to think of it...

Stay and be well all and please Have a Grateful Day.
February 24, 2022 - 1:38pm

#2608

JimInMD

Joined:
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Re: Dennis

Funny you should mention Wolf Bros Hard Rain.. I am listening to it as I write this. It just sort of fell into my lap. Love Greg Leisz's Pedal Steel on this one. Exactly perfect.

Fitting.

Heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall

Really well done.
February 24, 2022 - 12:20pm

#2609

Dennis

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Jim and Hard Rain

The one that just came out on the Weir Live in Colorado album is very fine.
February 24, 2022 - 10:14am

#2610

JimInMD

Joined:
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Went Rogue

I dipped my big toe into 2/24/74 today and made it most of the way and the day is still young. My workday is manageable and with an ice storm moving in decided to get some exercise and brought tunes. Man, what a sweetie.

I have this a hard rain's gonna fall feeling. Oh where have you been my blue eyed son?

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

68 and Loud

I completely agree.

On occasion and if I'm not careful volume gets the best of me. One day I might live to regret this. Thankfully, that day was not today.

A new one for me. Some sound weirdness especially in and around banter, but what the hey.

I don't know what it is, but I have soft spot for The Eleven, Born Cross-Eyed and especially New Potatoe Caboose. Good show with some vintage grease to end the night with me feeling a little dirtier than I did when I woke up.

If there's no pick for tomorrow, I suggest the next in line. It's a partial, starts with a rare Clementine. 1/20/68 Euraka Municipal Auditorium. I think we should set up a go fund me to find all the missing reels, there's a couple missing from this show. It would be something for them to be found.

4/30/88 at the Frost

Hey Jim, I know you have had a lot on you plate this year. Thanks for checking this one out. Yes, the recording is decent, not great. Like a lot of 88 recordings out there. Still think they have some good ones in the Vault.

I liked the show, anytime I see a Hey Pocky Way, I am in. Nice Shakedown to open the second set. Love the triple Encore with China Rider OMSN.

It is good to get out of the comfort zone once in a while Doc.

Carousel Ballroom 68, okay Jim, Ok will have to que it up this morning.

Enjoy the weekend out there.

Edit. Oh and after the carousel ballroom I will be moving on the 12/9/79, Dave's Picks #47. Love this one and I need some 79. If I had the keys, I would be putting out a big 79 Box.

Lewiston, for your consideration

44 years ago today, there when Roy Buchanan along with Levon and His All Stars opened for the Dead. My last in person show, on the bus since their first album, however things had changed so much.... Doc was there, a wild late summer scene, part of my farewell to Maine.

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-timefavorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solide offical release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-time favorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solid official release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

9/6/80

Hey DMCVT,

Love this show and will get it going again this weekend.

And yes, it would make a great releasen.

Pretty sweet you and Doc were there.

9/6/80 Lewiston

I'm in - hopefully sometime this weekend I can transport my mind and spirit into late summer beautiful day/evening Maine. Sounds like a dream show and setting. Very cool that a couple of you guys got to be there. Didn't realize this was the last show before the Warfield run. Long and heartfelt write up on grateful seconds (he was there). Comment at the end from a guy who was 8 at the time and lived a "bike trail" away from the fairgrounds. Listened to part of the show from his clubhouse. Rode his bike over and snuck in. Totally dug the Drums. Made major bank (for a kid) collecting cans and bottles for deposit afterwards (which is exactly what 8 yr old me would have done.) Think I might travel John Deere with the Jim Wise FOB.

Been Gone

But back this week. I can do Lewiston again.

As I recall there is not a good soundboard that circulates, right? And the one that does is first set only and it sure does sound like an audience (or ultramatrix on steroids at least).

High energy though.. like Gainesville, there must have been something in the water.

You have to wonder if this was recorded and if so where the hell are the master tapes? I think someone (Parrish??) tossed out the language that some of the master reels were left on the seat and when the truck pulled away they must have flown out the window or something.

I'd love to see more reels (and cassettes) returned.

Anyway, Lewiston Me for me tomorrow.

Edit: Started tonight - why not? Gave up on the "soundboard" and settled on the Jim Wise same as Bluecrow. Good news, Bluecrow.. The John Deere Broke down and was sitting in the yard for the last half of the week. I got it working today. Had to replace the solenoid. Damned electronics are always interfering with time travel. Just imagine if this broke back in time before Jebediah Solenoid created the first working model for riding mowers.. we would have been screwed.. I mean, nothing wrong with being stuck in 1980 but why not go back another 10 to 15 years...

High energy is right. Pretty good audience.

Follow-Up

While I was in the neighborhood, I took a quickie with 11/28/80 Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL (30 Trips).

I figured why not.. most enjoyable, especially To Lay Me Down. Not sure why I like that song so much, but I do.

More 1980

Ah, yes, more 1980. You don't have to twist my arm. A shorter show for the time period, but still really good. Will get it going after I finish up Dicks #36, which was mentioned on some other threads. Such a great show, but apparently didn't sell well at the time. No idea why.

My Favorite Non-Multi-Track 1980 Release

Random Musing - 1980

My favorite non-multi-track 1980 release has got to be Dave's # 8, 11/30/80 Fox Theater. Love how that Matrix worked out. If anyone remembers the seaside chat, he was spot on.

Crowd noise was not as big an issue in 1980 as they could play in some pretty intimate venues. Also, as the age of the cassette master replaced the lovely Ms. Cantor Jackson, a lot of those early soundboards are a bit sterile sounding without the crystalline highs and the booming lows. Blending those early 80's soundboards with one of those near perfect audience masters works. When they aged out of the smaller, cooler venues (thinking after Jerry's coma and In The Dark) audience tapes had to compete with hundreds of the guy next to you screaming "JERRY!!" at 95 decibels, this was no longer possible.

That SBD/Dr. Bob matrix is almost exactly perfect (or as good we are going to get for the time).

On the opposite side of the same coin, I think some of the Ultra Matrix's have a bit too much of the guy yelling JERRY! then I sometimes want to hear. Thinking a lot of 87 suffers from this, and by then the audience tapes were no better.

Anyway, if Mr. Norman can pull of similar wizardry I wish they would do more like DaP#8.

Being that it’s the anniversary

9-16-90 playing now.

Wonder what the Black Friday RSD release will be.

Music comes from a place we don't know...........

Mornin', rockers!!!

Pick of the day? September 24, 1972. Because..............Dark Star!

Minor rain storm headed my way................

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils......

Rock on!

Doc
Music comes from an icicle as it melts, to live again as spring water......

9/24/72

Oh yes, this is a great show, I am in.
Thanks Doc.

Why Not

It's an early audience, but contains one of the few Seven's that were recorded.

09/29/69 Cafe au Go-Go - New York City, NY

It's no betty board, but an interesting inflection point in GD history, so maybe worthy of our time. Primal GD on the heels of WMD Americana GD.

Despite the recording quality, it's pretty good for a 1969 audience. Worth the trip for the Seven alone. Plus, it's pretty short. Something different, something quick, and well, it's really something.

So why not mix it up with a shortie from the fall of 1969.

9/29/69

Will mix this in as I listen to the new box today. Thanks Jim.

Hope everyone had a good summer

Been a while, just wanted to say hello. Watching the Dark Star from 10/18/74, cool to see video of Ned on stage, as well as see Jerry interact with the head nod. Enjoyed the April 78 release. With the 50th anniversary of the Winterland shows a few weeks away, doesn't look like anything is happening. Be good everyone. Bob t

Bob T

Hey Bob T, how have you been man? Hope all is well.
Yes, love that bonus footage from the GDM soundtrack. Might be one of my favorite UJB.
I have been traveling for work this week so still haven't made a dent in the new box, but loving it so.far.
Good thing there is no rush at this point.

Picks

Hope everyone is enjoying the new box set. Really enjoying it so far over here.

If anyone is interested in a pick, it has been a while, how about 5/16/81, Barton Hall from the 30 Trips box?

5-16-81

Started playing it last night and finished it tonight.

Good call DV.
And I’m having a Bell’s Octoberfest too. They’re gone from the store but I have 5 more cans in the fridge.

Conekid

Nice Conekid, must be esp.

Enjoyed the show again, nice Shakedown Bertha, Sailor Saint. Show ends with that audience patch.

Enjoy the last few Octoberfests. Still have a couple six packs to get through. Would buy a few more but the self life of this beer is only 3 months and it goes bad fast.

Change alone is eternal, perpetual, immortal…..

Good morning fellow rockers!!!

October 19, 1971

The second great seismic shift of 1971. The Yang to the Yin of February 18. Similar, yet different. Old, yet new. A vision of the new era. Change can be for good if you combine audacity with safety………

An old friend missing, a new guy who seems to fit in right away. Six new songs. The return of the complete CE/TOO/CE suite. The unusual occurrence of back-to-back Garcia songs twice in the first set. The first of the Fall 1971 FM broadcasts. One of only two 1971 shows that featured both Black Peter and Brokedown Palace. There ain’t no grease, but there’s plenty of Bakersfield left, as well as big jams.

Not without its rough edges, yet somehow it hangs together oh so well. Absolutely historic and worthy of a serious listen……

Rock on!!
Doc
He who rejects change is the architect of decay, the only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery………

10/19/71

Oh, yes, Doc this is a good show at the University of Minnesota at the Northrup Auditorium. Good idea.

Some may never live, but the crazy never die.....

Morning, rockers!!

This is for AJS. He'll know what I'm talking about...........

October 20, 1984, Carrier Dome. The last show we saw on that tour, maybe not Augusta level but very enjoyable. We had a great time. Maybe it was the liquid 25, courtesy of Deadhead Fred, a little drop'll do ya!!

Or maybe it was the music. Worth a listen!!!

If I had known being insane was so much fun, I'd have gone crazy long ago.....

Rock on,

Doc
No one can drive us crazy unless we give them the keys......

Doc & Angry Jack

10-20-84 - Syracuse

I was there also, think I met doc in the bathroom during drums,,, he was wearing a tie-dye :-)

My records show we rated Jack Straw at end of set one, a plus 2. Also second set opener of Shakedown got a plus 2 rating from our crew. We have the Black Peter that night at a plus 1.

Thing I remember was the air pressure blowing you out of the exit doors,,, deadheads LOVED this,,, kept going back in just to be blown out!

My wife went to Syracuse (both her parents also!)

Carrier Dome

Love the energy of this show. I'm pretty sure I tossed this out for a pick of the day a few years ago. I was not there, but hey.. we make it to the shows we can and hope for magic and a lightning strike or two.

Still, an enjoyable show and how about that Jack Straw. Another one where I wish I was there.

10-20-84 playing now

Just finished set 1.
It’s a Miller, but the file on my music player doesn’t have an ID number.
Vocals are pretty weak in some places. The playing seems to be trying to make up for it.
Shakedown poking around now…..

Edit:
I would have had fun had I been there.
Drums/Space was good.
I’ll listen to it again.

Most jokes state a bitter truth…..

November 7, 1971
Harding Theater, San Francisco, California

Deadicated to bolo24, because I will not follow where the path may lead, but I will go where there is no path, and I will leave a trail……

Great and classic show and a long-time personal favorite. It has pretty much everything you could ask of the Dead in this era. Rockers, Cowboy songs, hot jams, the unusual coupling of Dark Star and The Other One, an unbelievably smoking NFA transition jam (maybe the best ever?), plus even the often-expected equipment difficulties, AND jokes from the audience! The circulating broadcast copies are excellent quality and highly recommended. The band sounds loose, and the crowd sounds juiced. OK yes there’s no Pigpen, but still highly highly recommended, a classic of the first rank!!

Rock on!!
Doc
It is requisite for the relaxation of the mind that we make use, from time to time, of playful deeds and jokes

I guess I missed it....

I didn't see the notice about the next Bear's Journal, John Hammond.

If you missed too, it's available on Amazon and Bear's site.

Pick

Okay, seems like we need a pick.

How about 10/19/72 from the glorious LTTR Box? Love this box.

Good to see this box finally sold out. We need to make sure these all sell out in order to keep the train rolling.

I can do 10/19

Might take me more than a day though, but I'm in.

10/19/72

Thanks Jim.
Another fantastic show from the Fox!
There is something about these shows. Might be the Birdsong that adds to the overall enjoyment.
Can you imagine if they played Birdsong in Europe that year?

Taking my time with the new box, so it is fun to jump around, which is so fun with all this incredible music.

Can we add a fifth release in December? Call it For the Faithful Volume 1.

11-14-71%

Anniversary today.
It’s a RT Bonus Disc.

Expected that Doc would have pointed that out.
Maybe he did on another page.

Yes, the LTTR Box is glorious.

We're not earthly beings any more... we're cosmic beings.....

Mornin' rockers! And happy Friday!

Fell asleep yesterday so forgot all about TCU. But I did remember it's an underrated show..........

Austin, Texas, November 15, 1971. Brings back fond memories of my tape trading days, when I had an unbelievably good copy of the FM broadcast. Starts high with strong Truckin', throw in a sweet first set Dark Star, a fiery NFA transition jam, and the usual country/western/new material suspects, and there you have it!! Really fine, very enjoyable show that is worthy of its official release status.

Of course, November 15 1972 will also do nicely...............

We're on this planet for the briefest of moments in cosmic terms, and I want to spend that time thinking about what I consider the deepest questions. LIke, what's for lunch?

Rock on!

Doc
On a cosmic scale, our life is insignificant, yet this brief period when we appear in the world is the time in which all meaningful questions arise......