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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    nudie shows - photos

    They definitely wore Nudies 12/12 per a concert attendee towards end of that same Internet Archive thread.
    "Poster: corry Date: May 13, 2014 6:47pm
    Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
    I saw the Grateful Dead at Winterland on December 12, 1972. Jerry, Bob and Phil wore nudie suits, I think Keith may have at least had a Nudie jacket. They did not change clothes. I saw them numerous times afterwards, but I never saw them wear Nudie Suits again. Of course, it was my first Dead show and I thought nothing of it. I figured they always wore such things. It turned out I was wrong, but well, that's life."

    I think the really nice color photos with Jerry, Donna in red, and Bob are from 12/12/72. I've seen photos from what is clearly the same show also attributed to New Years '72, 2/19/73, and Nassau 3/19/73. The reason I think 12/12 (or another date in that run) is that Jerry is playing a really distinctive guitar. It's the Erlewine Stratocaster that Garcia played for a handful of shows in fall '72 - note the really big numbers on the neck. Reddit comment: "Made by dan erlewine (he’s the lead personality for the stewmac guitar tips channel) in the early 70’s, it features a rosewood pick guard and the funny number fret markers. Not much else is known about this guitar, and this is really the only show where he used it. Odd, because erlewine states it was a custom build for Garcia himself. Erlewine states here that it was a laminate maple neck, the wood from an “ancient piano”. He himself states it wasn’t the greatest build standard. Saying this, it’s not really a surprise that it never really showed up at any other gigs, as we all know Garcia was pretty particular (for good reason) and the weird design choice was probably why. It had a stop tail piece and a brass nut, very similar to alligator. He asked for $500, and Garcia gave him $900!" https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/dszksk/dressd_to_the_1_3… I ran into dead links trying to pursue this one further.

    Disregard the above as to "this" being the "only" show Jerry played it at. Known shows for Erlewine Stratocaster here - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2019/08/jerry-garcia-instrument-history-…

    per Deadessays 12/12/72 is penultimate known date Jerry played the Erlewine in concert. He played it one last time for part of that great Des Moines show on 5/13/73!!

    photos with strong attribution for 2/19/73 show Garcia playing Alligator - https://www.gdao.org/items/show/831582

    photos of New Years show seem to show Jerry with Alligator also. Plus, given how high profile the New Year show was, if Jerry played the Erlewine you think that would have been noted.

    I came across a version of the Nassau movie that is synched up to audio - the footage is playing in the band. I'll see if I can find the link. Very cool time capsule, fuzzy as it is. You can see Phil really groovin in that Phil way from time to time.

    as for 12/15/72 - big time excellent (edit - with some weird tape speed stuff going on in Trucking)

    edit - brief video clip of Jerry showing off the Erlewine Strat, shared by Sam Cutler 9/20 on his facebook page (from comments on Deadessays). - https://www.facebook.com/1419240388141325/videos/462957607997895/?hc_re…

    I pretty much don't do facebook but Sam's page is very cool. Looks like he just opened a youtube channel last few days!

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    Nudie - Silent Home Movie

    Not that kinda movie!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rm5tHIWi3Q

    Nassau '73 baby

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    I did find another picture that appears from to be that same show with Donna in red dated as 2/19/73 so I'd need to do some further research to attribute a specific date to that photo.

    Isn't there a group of cats that focus on dating photos?

    I've been meaning to look into that.
    I wanna check out their work.

    Alright, I'll just say this... whoo hoo Grateful Dead!

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    the Grateful Dead, completely Nudie, onstage!

    :)))

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    Yeah, I was under the assumption that this photo was from 12/15/72 but can't find any confirmation quickly (love this pic)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/jpfbnw/wish_i_had_a_time…

    I guess the main reason I thought that was because I used pic for my "album" cover in iTunes.
    At the moment I'm totally not sure why or when I did that now that I looked around.
    So.... 12/15/72 as a Nudie, not confirmed at all.

    Maybe some smart person can confirm date on that photo.
    It might also be from Winterland 12/31/72.

    Love this stuff.

    EDIT - BLUECROW Did they do the Nudie on the 12/10-12/12 run?
    This might be a project for Lost Live Dead... if you're out there.
    Give us the low down on the Nudie!
    BTW LLD You rock, I'm amazed at how much time you've put into researching the GD and it's always fascinating.
    Big Fan!!

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    not sure if 12/15 is a Nudie show. It's at the Long Beach Arena and is sandwiched between the Nudie Shows in Winterland 12/10-12(?) and 12/31. not that this matters much to my ears.

    onward!

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    Let's Go Nudie

    I forgot about that Nudie show.
    Let's make 12/15/72 the POTD today and everybody can catch up or do what they want in true GD fashion ;)

    Dig those comments BlueCrow, thanks for sharing. It's amazing to think about them wearing those suits up there on stage. Great picture of Jerry, Bob & Donna from 12/15 with the tie-dye speaker cabinets behind them. Amazing. Love the way the band looked in '72.

    Good times!

    Glad you survived the Kitchen Proudfoot, and I'll have to look for that recording

    Alright, time to go further... into the Nudie!

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    The "firing" tape

    someone posted a link to it in the past

    It's very strange to hear

    instrusive?
    voyeuristic, perhaps?
    everything turned out pretty well, in the long run

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    Frank Zappa

    The guy was, if nothing else, very creative.

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    With the rumor of Nudie Suits I started down the 12/15 rabbit hole last night. SirMick transfer sounds mighty fine so far though the song listings are off by one.

    Stumbled on a Internet Archive post from attendee of 2/19/73 that I hadn't seen before. He's a regular there from what I remember.

    Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 14, 2014 10:36am
    Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
    I was at the 2-19-73 show at the Amphitheater, and my recollection was they came out for the first set wearing them - and before playing the first tune, they made kind of a big deal of them. I remember Jerry and Bob bantering on about them while showing them off to the crowd a la fashion show antics. They also went on about them at some point during the first set, around either "You Ain't Woman Enough" or one of Bob's cowboy songs - I remember being amused, and the band seemed to be having fun with fancy threads. It felt like a different show when they came out for the second set wearing jeans and t-shirts . . . I have a faint memory of Jerry hanging his embroidered jacket on a chair or mic stand to show it off.

    And for those of us still hoping for tapes of the whole night, and trying to remember what all was played, . . . I do remember Billy spending some time playing a big gong as a regal attention-getter, but can't for the life of me remember if it was for a possible "Morning Dew" or "Dark Star", or during the missing part of "the Other One", or even sound check??? If someone has a better memory of what was played that night, please chime in. I also remember being really curious and amused by the people behind us, going back and forth about what was played and when, and checking their notes scribbled in the dark . . . I remember thinking 'what a silly, strange and distracting thing to do' at a show . . . silly me. (https://archive.org/post/1016982/the-nudie-suits).

    3/9/81 later.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

I completely agree.

On occasion and if I'm not careful volume gets the best of me. One day I might live to regret this. Thankfully, that day was not today.

A new one for me. Some sound weirdness especially in and around banter, but what the hey.

I don't know what it is, but I have soft spot for The Eleven, Born Cross-Eyed and especially New Potatoe Caboose. Good show with some vintage grease to end the night with me feeling a little dirtier than I did when I woke up.

If there's no pick for tomorrow, I suggest the next in line. It's a partial, starts with a rare Clementine. 1/20/68 Euraka Municipal Auditorium. I think we should set up a go fund me to find all the missing reels, there's a couple missing from this show. It would be something for them to be found.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 09/06/2024 - 06:15

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Hey Jim, I know you have had a lot on you plate this year. Thanks for checking this one out. Yes, the recording is decent, not great. Like a lot of 88 recordings out there. Still think they have some good ones in the Vault.

I liked the show, anytime I see a Hey Pocky Way, I am in. Nice Shakedown to open the second set. Love the triple Encore with China Rider OMSN.

It is good to get out of the comfort zone once in a while Doc.

Carousel Ballroom 68, okay Jim, Ok will have to que it up this morning.

Enjoy the weekend out there.

Edit. Oh and after the carousel ballroom I will be moving on the 12/9/79, Dave's Picks #47. Love this one and I need some 79. If I had the keys, I would be putting out a big 79 Box.

44 years ago today, there when Roy Buchanan along with Levon and His All Stars opened for the Dead. My last in person show, on the bus since their first album, however things had changed so much.... Doc was there, a wild late summer scene, part of my farewell to Maine.

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-timefavorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solide offical release. It is worthy......

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Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-time favorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solid official release. It is worthy......

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 09/07/2024 - 05:42

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I'm in - hopefully sometime this weekend I can transport my mind and spirit into late summer beautiful day/evening Maine. Sounds like a dream show and setting. Very cool that a couple of you guys got to be there. Didn't realize this was the last show before the Warfield run. Long and heartfelt write up on grateful seconds (he was there). Comment at the end from a guy who was 8 at the time and lived a "bike trail" away from the fairgrounds. Listened to part of the show from his clubhouse. Rode his bike over and snuck in. Totally dug the Drums. Made major bank (for a kid) collecting cans and bottles for deposit afterwards (which is exactly what 8 yr old me would have done.) Think I might travel John Deere with the Jim Wise FOB.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 09/09/2024 - 21:03

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But back this week. I can do Lewiston again.

As I recall there is not a good soundboard that circulates, right? And the one that does is first set only and it sure does sound like an audience (or ultramatrix on steroids at least).

High energy though.. like Gainesville, there must have been something in the water.

You have to wonder if this was recorded and if so where the hell are the master tapes? I think someone (Parrish??) tossed out the language that some of the master reels were left on the seat and when the truck pulled away they must have flown out the window or something.

I'd love to see more reels (and cassettes) returned.

Anyway, Lewiston Me for me tomorrow.

Edit: Started tonight - why not? Gave up on the "soundboard" and settled on the Jim Wise same as Bluecrow. Good news, Bluecrow.. The John Deere Broke down and was sitting in the yard for the last half of the week. I got it working today. Had to replace the solenoid. Damned electronics are always interfering with time travel. Just imagine if this broke back in time before Jebediah Solenoid created the first working model for riding mowers.. we would have been screwed.. I mean, nothing wrong with being stuck in 1980 but why not go back another 10 to 15 years...

High energy is right. Pretty good audience.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/10/2024 - 21:33

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While I was in the neighborhood, I took a quickie with 11/28/80 Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL (30 Trips).

I figured why not.. most enjoyable, especially To Lay Me Down. Not sure why I like that song so much, but I do.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 09/12/2024 - 08:07

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Ah, yes, more 1980. You don't have to twist my arm. A shorter show for the time period, but still really good. Will get it going after I finish up Dicks #36, which was mentioned on some other threads. Such a great show, but apparently didn't sell well at the time. No idea why.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/12/2024 - 17:31

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Random Musing - 1980

My favorite non-multi-track 1980 release has got to be Dave's # 8, 11/30/80 Fox Theater. Love how that Matrix worked out. If anyone remembers the seaside chat, he was spot on.

Crowd noise was not as big an issue in 1980 as they could play in some pretty intimate venues. Also, as the age of the cassette master replaced the lovely Ms. Cantor Jackson, a lot of those early soundboards are a bit sterile sounding without the crystalline highs and the booming lows. Blending those early 80's soundboards with one of those near perfect audience masters works. When they aged out of the smaller, cooler venues (thinking after Jerry's coma and In The Dark) audience tapes had to compete with hundreds of the guy next to you screaming "JERRY!!" at 95 decibels, this was no longer possible.

That SBD/Dr. Bob matrix is almost exactly perfect (or as good we are going to get for the time).

On the opposite side of the same coin, I think some of the Ultra Matrix's have a bit too much of the guy yelling JERRY! then I sometimes want to hear. Thinking a lot of 87 suffers from this, and by then the audience tapes were no better.

Anyway, if Mr. Norman can pull of similar wizardry I wish they would do more like DaP#8.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 09/24/2024 - 04:20

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Pick of the day? September 24, 1972. Because..............Dark Star!

Minor rain storm headed my way................

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils......

Rock on!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 09/29/2024 - 13:45

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It's an early audience, but contains one of the few Seven's that were recorded.

09/29/69 Cafe au Go-Go - New York City, NY

It's no betty board, but an interesting inflection point in GD history, so maybe worthy of our time. Primal GD on the heels of WMD Americana GD.

Despite the recording quality, it's pretty good for a 1969 audience. Worth the trip for the Seven alone. Plus, it's pretty short. Something different, something quick, and well, it's really something.

So why not mix it up with a shortie from the fall of 1969.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 09/30/2024 - 07:20

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Will mix this in as I listen to the new box today. Thanks Jim.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/04/2024 - 19:03

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Been a while, just wanted to say hello. Watching the Dark Star from 10/18/74, cool to see video of Ned on stage, as well as see Jerry interact with the head nod. Enjoyed the April 78 release. With the 50th anniversary of the Winterland shows a few weeks away, doesn't look like anything is happening. Be good everyone. Bob t

Hey Bob T, how have you been man? Hope all is well.
Yes, love that bonus footage from the GDM soundtrack. Might be one of my favorite UJB.
I have been traveling for work this week so still haven't made a dent in the new box, but loving it so.far.
Good thing there is no rush at this point.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 12:43

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Hope everyone is enjoying the new box set. Really enjoying it so far over here.

If anyone is interested in a pick, it has been a while, how about 5/16/81, Barton Hall from the 30 Trips box?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 16:19

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Started playing it last night and finished it tonight.

Good call DV.
And I’m having a Bell’s Octoberfest too. They’re gone from the store but I have 5 more cans in the fridge.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/14/2024 - 21:40

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Nice Conekid, must be esp.

Enjoyed the show again, nice Shakedown Bertha, Sailor Saint. Show ends with that audience patch.

Enjoy the last few Octoberfests. Still have a couple six packs to get through. Would buy a few more but the self life of this beer is only 3 months and it goes bad fast.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 10/19/2024 - 03:33

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Good morning fellow rockers!!!

October 19, 1971

The second great seismic shift of 1971. The Yang to the Yin of February 18. Similar, yet different. Old, yet new. A vision of the new era. Change can be for good if you combine audacity with safety………

An old friend missing, a new guy who seems to fit in right away. Six new songs. The return of the complete CE/TOO/CE suite. The unusual occurrence of back-to-back Garcia songs twice in the first set. The first of the Fall 1971 FM broadcasts. One of only two 1971 shows that featured both Black Peter and Brokedown Palace. There ain’t no grease, but there’s plenty of Bakersfield left, as well as big jams.

Not without its rough edges, yet somehow it hangs together oh so well. Absolutely historic and worthy of a serious listen……

Rock on!!
Doc
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Morning, rockers!!

This is for AJS. He'll know what I'm talking about...........

October 20, 1984, Carrier Dome. The last show we saw on that tour, maybe not Augusta level but very enjoyable. We had a great time. Maybe it was the liquid 25, courtesy of Deadhead Fred, a little drop'll do ya!!

Or maybe it was the music. Worth a listen!!!

If I had known being insane was so much fun, I'd have gone crazy long ago.....

Rock on,

Doc
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10-20-84 - Syracuse

I was there also, think I met doc in the bathroom during drums,,, he was wearing a tie-dye :-)

My records show we rated Jack Straw at end of set one, a plus 2. Also second set opener of Shakedown got a plus 2 rating from our crew. We have the Black Peter that night at a plus 1.

Thing I remember was the air pressure blowing you out of the exit doors,,, deadheads LOVED this,,, kept going back in just to be blown out!

My wife went to Syracuse (both her parents also!)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 10/20/2024 - 21:22

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Love the energy of this show. I'm pretty sure I tossed this out for a pick of the day a few years ago. I was not there, but hey.. we make it to the shows we can and hope for magic and a lightning strike or two.

Still, an enjoyable show and how about that Jack Straw. Another one where I wish I was there.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 10/21/2024 - 18:08

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Just finished set 1.
It’s a Miller, but the file on my music player doesn’t have an ID number.
Vocals are pretty weak in some places. The playing seems to be trying to make up for it.
Shakedown poking around now…..

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I would have had fun had I been there.
Drums/Space was good.
I’ll listen to it again.

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November 7, 1971
Harding Theater, San Francisco, California

Deadicated to bolo24, because I will not follow where the path may lead, but I will go where there is no path, and I will leave a trail……

Great and classic show and a long-time personal favorite. It has pretty much everything you could ask of the Dead in this era. Rockers, Cowboy songs, hot jams, the unusual coupling of Dark Star and The Other One, an unbelievably smoking NFA transition jam (maybe the best ever?), plus even the often-expected equipment difficulties, AND jokes from the audience! The circulating broadcast copies are excellent quality and highly recommended. The band sounds loose, and the crowd sounds juiced. OK yes there’s no Pigpen, but still highly highly recommended, a classic of the first rank!!

Rock on!!
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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 11/07/2024 - 04:22

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I didn't see the notice about the next Bear's Journal, John Hammond.

If you missed too, it's available on Amazon and Bear's site.

Okay, seems like we need a pick.

How about 10/19/72 from the glorious LTTR Box? Love this box.

Good to see this box finally sold out. We need to make sure these all sell out in order to keep the train rolling.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/11/2024 - 19:04

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Might take me more than a day though, but I'm in.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 11/12/2024 - 20:18

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Thanks Jim.
Another fantastic show from the Fox!
There is something about these shows. Might be the Birdsong that adds to the overall enjoyment.
Can you imagine if they played Birdsong in Europe that year?

Taking my time with the new box, so it is fun to jump around, which is so fun with all this incredible music.

Can we add a fifth release in December? Call it For the Faithful Volume 1.

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Anniversary today.
It’s a RT Bonus Disc.

Expected that Doc would have pointed that out.
Maybe he did on another page.

Yes, the LTTR Box is glorious.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 11/15/2024 - 04:45

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Mornin' rockers! And happy Friday!

Fell asleep yesterday so forgot all about TCU. But I did remember it's an underrated show..........

Austin, Texas, November 15, 1971. Brings back fond memories of my tape trading days, when I had an unbelievably good copy of the FM broadcast. Starts high with strong Truckin', throw in a sweet first set Dark Star, a fiery NFA transition jam, and the usual country/western/new material suspects, and there you have it!! Really fine, very enjoyable show that is worthy of its official release status.

Of course, November 15 1972 will also do nicely...............

We're on this planet for the briefest of moments in cosmic terms, and I want to spend that time thinking about what I consider the deepest questions. LIke, what's for lunch?

Rock on!

Doc
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