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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    This arrived today - I am waiting for the right moment to play it. I agree with Delhead - the older releases hold more fascination for me than most of what has come out in recent years. Vinyl re-issues are my favourite Dead releases these days. Especially ones released as Dicks Picks in the 90's, so there is an appreciable improvement in sound. Not that I have ever checked this out - but I assume its true.

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    If you search "best Dead shows" (or something akin to that) on the interwebs you will generate numerous best of lists curated by all kinds of sources. I've browsed these lists occasionally, looking for a "universally" acclaimed show that hasn't been officially released. From my observations, no data to support it, it seems that most of the "best, most desired" shows have already been released. A few haven't due to no available, releasable recordings.

    So after the cream has been skimmed from the top, what Dave is dealing with is a great many good shows that are all very similar. Some transcendent moments, some not so good moments. Some good recordings, some not so good. I have seen messages on this board similar to "right street, wrong house". I think this contributes to having larger boxes, because it seems impossible to cherry pick shows anymore.

    For myself, I am in the "smaller" box camp. In my opinion the Winterland boxes were perfect, in size, number of shows and a little swag. I have been a Dave Picks subscriber since the beginning but I am hesitating on continuing this year. I'm sure the 1976 show is good. But I have found myself going back to older releases. The last one I recently listened to was Dicks 12. A fabulous release that I can listen to over and over. I'm not sure the last few Dave's Picks are close to that standard for me, where I would listen to them over and over. Like many others have mentioned, an Ark box would have me lining up to buy.

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    10/31/70 , 10/31/69, & 2/17/79

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    I would think next year would ( or should) focus on 1970 inclusive going backwards and 1990 inclusive going forwards.

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    Thinking ahead to what Dave might be eyeing for 2025, we know Vol 53 is 1976. Let's recap the last three years of Dave's. That's 12 volumes:

    3 x 1977 (41, 45, 50)
    2 x 1971 (48, 51)
    1 ea 1972 (46) and 1974 (42) - both w/ bonus discs
    4 x Brent (44, 47, 49, 52) - '90, '79, '85, and '83 respectively
    'Filler' show across two volumes -- 1970 Kiel Opera House complete show

    And let's mention the 2022-2024 box sets: 1978, 1973, and MSG '81-'83.

    The observant among you will note that I've left out one release: Vol 43, which contained two 1969 shows. That issue marks only the 2nd time the Dave's series has visited 1969. And as Dave observed in the liner notes for #43, it was the first time they'd picked a Pigpen-era show since Vol 30, which was released in Spring 2019... 13 releases prior.

    So if we just look at "what year hasn't Dave visited recently", and if we consider that Volume 54 is a bonus disc release, then 1973 stands out, as it's a great year with plenty of material still unreleased - and the last Dave's release from 1973 was Vol 38. But the HCS box is perhaps a strike against this particular year. And ofc, Dave keeps going back to the '71 well - and there's plenty there for a great release + a bonus disc. Same goes for Fall '72. And if any of those March '77 Winterland shows have flaws or a missing reel, it could be a prime candidate for this year's bonus disc, with a complete neighboring night as the main release (and history shows Dave favors '77.)

    Back to 1969: with Vol 43 being the last time Dave hit '69, it does seem like 2025 could be the year to revisit. I think one challenge is that the shows typically aren't the "right" length for the 3-CD format. The bonus disc format could work really well here, though - two '69 shows over 4 discs could fit. 1968 is the ultimate wild card - what's in the vault, and can it be made to sound good enough for prime time? Maybe a '69 show takes 2 CDs and then the third CD gets whatever exists from a '68 show? I suspect these considerations are one reason why the Dave's series hasn't released that much primal Grateful Dead - trying to balance the CD format with the quality of the show(s) and the recordings, as well as what may or may not be in the vault - well, it's probably more straightforward to just keep autopiloting the '77 stuff.

    HOWEVER -- if you start thinking about the Box for 2025, it's the 60th anniversary year. And no box sets have included any material from the 1960s since 30 Trips in 2015 - and before that, Fillmore West in 2005. A box with '68 AND '69 would be a fitting tribute. We're all agreed that we just want the music - it can be "Road Trips" style where complete shows aren't a prerequisite - and personally I think such a box would sell out faster than Here Comes Sunshine did. Add whatever is serviceable from September 1970 and people will cut off limbs to secure their copies. Dave, are ya listening, laddie?!? Will ye grant our fervent wishes? (And folks at Rhino, if a box like this were to happen, please bump the release count up to 12 or even 15K for the good of humanity - you KNOW this will sell out)

    Well as the kids say today, holy essaying. Sorry for the wall. I should go to bed...

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    When was the last mini box, anyway? RFK in 2017? That was a late release - November 10 - I wonder if perhaps they wanted to juice holiday sales. But anyway, it's been quite interesting reading folks' ideas. For example, I saw the March '77 three-night stand suggested... there's some of the best '77 material to still be quietly moldering in the vault. The idea of a Vince-era mini box also seems logical - if you're in for Shoreline August '91, you're probably down with all three days, not just the 16th and its first-set Dark Star. The Hornsby-less Feb '91 Oakland stand is another fertile field.

    And I'd second what JiminMD said, all of it. None of us are getting any younger. I have come around to viewing Dave's role (and Jeffrey Norman's) as one not just of opportunity and good fortune, but as one of blessed duty. For I, too, came to regard Grateful Dead music as church. How astonishing that Bear managed to record as much as he did. While we know the vault shelves for 1968 are akin to swiss cheese, that music is very special. I know many of us have filled our SSDs with whatever we need, but this music shouldn't be just for the acolytes: it needs to be heard widely, played loudly.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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...."Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
Smart dude that Abraham.

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To all those men and women braver than me

A special salute to those who died or got wrecked in WWII fighting fascism

I for one certainly haven't forgotten you

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Does anyone have a link to the Dave’s 52 thread? Asking for a friend…

Absolutego

A desert island disc

Do you have what it takes to absorb it in one listening?

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....don't lose focus.
Some may try.
Like Obi-Wan said, we have the higher ground.
Tis but a ripple in still waters.

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I actually haven’t even listened to Santa Fe yet. Still making my way through the Devils box set.

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....throw 9.11 in between the 78's.
Mix em up.
The juxtaposition is worth it.

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Yeah I should do that. 30 DoD is sucking up my listening time as well.
PS, My daughter lives in Vegas.

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....throw that bad boy in.
Vegas is....interesting. And always changing.
Dipping into Not For Kids Only.
When First Upon This Country ftw.
Yup.
P.S.

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill
With Abraham, Martin, and his brother John. 🎶

What's Bobby's son up to these days? 🤔

With a legacy of fighting for freedom like that, you might want to get on board.

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Our political leanings might be different, but we do share a love of music.

Since you (or someone) asked if I had anything to say about the music, I still like the HCS from DP1 probably the best, though the one from DaP5 is a close second, sometimes first depending on mood.

Cheers.

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You're absolutely right about the way people can be put off by the political echo chamber here. It turned me off many years ago. Out of curiosity I came back to see what was going on with the releases and that was the first thing I saw. I should have known since it was so close after the elections. No worries though, I'll be gone again soon enough.

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I was ecstatic when I saw this legendary show was finally released. One of my favorite Eyes, a very Allman Brothers jam in the Not Fade Away, and everything else in between.

What was the forum for this show again? Oh, that's right. RFK stadium. I wonder what RFK's son is up to these days.

Whatever it is, with a legacy like that you can be sure he just wants to help the people be free.

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Excellent x100

GD = greatest band ever

GBtGD

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You might need to tune your fiddle again. It seems to have gone off key, lol.

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As always, I am reminded that I am glad I am male

A watermelon through a garden hose

Ouch

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Though I suppose passing a kidney stone can be almost as painful. But much less rewarding or life affirming.

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Such a grate tune. I always thought it a tragedy that they dropped it from the repertoire after '74.

Personally, I blame Spacebrother for this.

Just kidding, Spacebro!

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There have been lots of lies pushed by both sides over the years, and lots of assertions accepted as fact that turned out to be wrong. The idea that once you declare something to be a fact or not is the end of the story is a faulty assumption. If you want to convince someone that their position is wrong, the way to do that is through persuasive communication, not shutting down the communication and declaring the person a modern-day heretic and refusing to allow them to make their argument. Ironically, it is the much-referenced fascism that is characterized by the suppression of the opposition and their arguments.

As soon as I saw Here Comes Sunshine's posts and the start date for the profile, I suspected it was more likely to be a former poster or long-term lurker that decided to post, as I'm not really sure how widespread knowledge of this site actually is outside of deadheads. It looks like at least one of Here Comes Sunshine's posts to be confirmation of that assumption based on the poster's description that he or she used to post here.

ItsBurnsy, glad to hear you are the tolerant sort, but that has not been universal on this site.

I take no offense from those with differing views as my views don't fit neatly into a box, so I am equally likely to irritate those on the right on some issues and those on the left on others. I can confidently say that have yet to find the person with whom I agree on everything. And that's ok. I generally try to treat everyone that I encounter with kindness and respect, until that person demonstrates that my kindness is misplaced. I can't help but give money to the beggars I see from time to time (there but for the grace of god go I and all that). If I see someone in need, I generally stop and help. But I cannot abide being told how to think or what arguments I am allowed to make, or that I owe something to someone that I don't even know because of events that occurred before I was even born. I have no problem with someone who argues a contrary point, just a problem with being told to shut up by folks who have already made their argument. So as far as the "are you kind" issue, I have found that political affiliation is a poor predictor of such things.

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Khruangbin - Con Todo El Mundo
STRFKR - Parallel Realms
Gary Numan - The Pleasure Principle (Here in my car, I feel safest of all, I can lock all my doors ...)
Sturgill Simpson as Johnny Blue Skies - Passage du Desire
Ghost Funk Orchestra - An Ode To Escapism
The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card
Heartless Bastards - Arrow (Only For You alone is worth the price of the album)

As far as DaP52, this is currently my favorite 1980's release to date, for now anyway.

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....whomp, whomp.
Being a Kennedy does not make one worthy. Unless it's in name only.
Cool I guess.
I'm guessing being a Trump will eventually have the same accolades to some. For all the wrong reasons.
Cool I guess.
My parents raised me to turn the other cheek when it comes to people like our future president when it comes to life in general.
And I guess I'm going to have to turn it yet again.
Not a good person. No redeeming qualities when you break it down to the basics.
However, it seems even the basics are lost.
Example A joined yesterday.
And is wasting time here.
Hilarious.

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Censorship is the name of the game in these times, and it's especially effective when it is done clandestinely. Such as what happened to all the doctors who questioned the mainstream covid narrative on Twitter and Facebook.

They were silenced, their posts and accounts removed, and your average SM user was none the wiser it was even happening. One such doctor/scientist was a former VP from Pfizer. He was banned from Twitter. He was just one of many.

So when I see someone here complaining about how Elon Musk's X platform is a vehicle for "fascism" because he allows freedom of speech on his platform, I have to laugh. But it also makes me sad that people are so brainwashed that they now think freedom of speech is a bad thing.

I come from a Liberal family. Capital 'L.' Freedom of speech was a Liberal virtue when I was growing up, along with freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, etc. Now the so-called "liberals" want any speech they disagree with shut down.

They are not liberals any longer, they are Communists, and they have sent their Red Guards into the streets to silence any opposing views through any means necessary, including violence. That's what Antifa and BLM are all about. And the media, the colleges, and the entertainment industry are all on board with it.

But the everyday people see it and have had enough, and have voted accordingly. And here we are...

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Didn't they bring that one back in the 1990's? Well, I know they did - I've got an ancient bootleg here from 8/21/93, where they open the show with it. Or at least this cd. Maybe better forgotten at that. Great in 1973 though.

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Will hold the same reverance someday, Vguy. You just can't see it yet. Because you can only believe your TV and the talking heads. It's a very sophisticated psychological operation built upon many years of programming. You might be able to escape it if you turned your TV off. But it's a drug, and you're deep in addiction.

Someday you will hang your head in shame for the media lies you believed and defended.

Mark my words.

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Yeah, but for the most part it was abandoned. You know what I mean.

When that day comes, don't beat yourself up too bad. You are certainly not alone in your delusions. It's a very powerful propaganda network that has you programmed. If you turn your TV off you could get ahead of it. Most people can't do that though. It's like a drug.

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Very thick

No sunshine coming through

Lemmy said it best:

"No sun
Just clouds and poison rain"

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....and attempting to move my needle peddling falsehoods will always end up being a waste of one's time.
I find it hilarious.
Can't wait for the next "gotcha".

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Then try turning your TV off for one week. I bet you can't do it.

You might be able to get through the day tomorrow, but I bet by the evening you'll turn it on.

And even if you do get through the night, the very next day you'll be like, "See, I got through the night without it, so tonight I get to watch it again!"

It's like a drug, Vguy. You can't live without it. And it tells you how to think, how to feel, and what to beieve. It IS your reality. Simple as that. It controls you.

Prove me wrong and turn it off for a week. Listen to music instead. Go for walks. Ride a bike. Read a book. But don't turn the TV on for a full week.

But when you can't, remember what I said. And when you inevitably turn it back on, notice how it is shaping your opinions.

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I'm guessing you're a big TV watcher and the mere thought of going a week without it is what set you off, lol.

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The Lions are sucking so far tonight

Edit
They just held
Still 10-0

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Nah, they are sucking

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They're doing ok

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So, you're game with the no TV challenge? You're braver than I thought. Good for you!

Do it!

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....of Sesame Street.
Stupid TV.
BTW. A screen is still a TV, but more channels genius.
You are looking at a screen, correct?

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that's believable, lol.

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So I'm watching TV here on this DaV52 thread?

Dude, you are rely grasping at straws now, lol.

Are you going to do the no TV challenge or not? Commit, one way or the other so we know.

Can you do it, Vguy?

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....calling everyone here liars takes pretty small balls. No matter how you interpret it.
Marye. It might be time to flip a switch.
There is nothing I need to prove to anyone. Especially this troll.
Called it the second I saw it.
"taps head"

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