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    marye
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    Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye

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  • RyXs
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    Dylan & Dave

    First off, I sincerely wish Dave well, his absence is concerning now. I pray it's not anything dire or detrimental.
    Anyways,.... I just watched SNL. So there was Tim Chalamet hosting and doing some Dylan songs, apparently different ones from the movie during the show's musical segments. Deep cuts, a nice chunky '90s "grunge" style version of Outlaw Blues is on full display amongst other more obscure tunes.
    Well, I haven't seen the movie yet and I realize the setting is during a small slice of Dylan's early career too, but knowing that, and it's time frame of 1964~'65 I must know if members of "The Band" are properly represented? Especially in leiu of Garth Hudson's recent passing. {R.I.P.} He was the last surviving member.
    I certainly hope the movie producers did them fellas some justice, and not just making them 'composite' characters. I'm sure this film was well into production around the time of Robbie Robertson's passing so I am wondering if they name drop & credit individual members of The Band? Either in dialogue or in the end credits!

    P.S.
    Yeah! A box of 1960s songs for the 60th sounds about right, on all fronts, genres, and entundres. High Time to get them Banana Boxes outta the "walk in" {vault} and start baking some goodies! Chat us up Dave!

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    Hey Crow,

    I would have loved to see the Dead 79-84. I mean come on, who doesn't like 79, 80 and well 81 and 82? I love it.

    Not sure the fantasy of late 60's will ever come true for you true believers.

    I know my fantasy of the 1980 Warfield Radio City run ended when Dave revealed they recorded over the reels for Brent's solo stint.

    Hang in there Hendrixfreak!

    Oh and Dylan, yes, love the Hibbing Native and everything he did for music. Saw him twice, once with the Dead and Petty in 86.

    The Dead of course were much better live, but they had a great time together and the they did an unbelievable job on the Dylan tunes throughout their career.

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    Take what you have gathered from coincidence

    I saw A Complete Unknown today, too. Good performances. Solid film. Worth seeing.

    I'm glad this movie exists, because there are whole generations of people who love music who don't know about the enormous impact Dylan had. Personally, I think you can say that there was songwriting prior to Bob Dylan, and then there was songwriting after. Two different things entirely. And the film does capture some of the amazement and wonder people had hearing those songs for the first time.

    I don't think the film adds much to what we know about Dylan. I am by no means a Dylanologist, but I was well familiar with all the stories and anecdotes that went into this film. Chances are you will be, too. But it's all presented in a way that's fun and entertaining, and yeah, there's whole generations of music lovers who don't know about any of this. So check it out if you've a notion. And bring the kids!

    I suppose "my time" of going to Dead shows was like 1979-84, which is nobody's favorite era. And not mine, either, when it comes to the archival program. But if Dave's Picks has taught me anything, it's that there are really good shows in every era. So I kind of trust Dave to make good picks and work in some of those less popular years in that series.

    But the box set for the 60th? I really hope it's not some 80 disc monstrosity. I agree with everybody who has said they'd like to see TPTB take this anniversary to issue whatever '60s stuff is left in the vault. I mean, those Ark shows have to come out someday, don't they?

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    Saw A Complete Unknown today

    Worth seeing

    A lot of layers

    Bottom line is that Bob Dylan is one remarkable songwriter

  • Vguy72
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    Birds 🐦 birdfeeder update....

    ....it links to other people's live streams. Very cool.

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    Just to be clear...

    My run of live GD shows was '72 to '92 and I attended lots of shows in the '80s. Mostly enjoyed them all, though I never really loved daytime shows -- I like the anonymity of darkness -- and by the mid-80s they seemed to be running out of gas and I got tired of "the scene." But those feelings apply to events long in the past.

    The tapes, obviously, are so different an experience from the shows themselves. If they release the June '91 show at Soldier Field I went to, I'd buy it. Or the pair of my last shows from June '92 at Knickerbocker. So I understand if everyone wants their 80s or 90s shows released. And there's a format for that: Dave's Picks.

    I'm just sayin' that after all the '68 discoveries and the lack of a format for releasing them that releasing shows from the early years would be a great way to honor the band's founding and get those tapes out there now. Unfortunately, if TPTB decide to pad the early years with later years, then you've got a massive, unaffordable box. Why not just go for the first five years this time? Haven't we got enough '77 and '78?

    Throw us greybeards a bone! I promise to at least try not to tell Dave to "get off my lawn."

    And thanks to Obeah for using the classic term, "cashish."

    Cheers, HF

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    4.27 - 28.91....

    ....so much fun. Back then, there was a group of Vegas heads that formed The Jamband Society. Used to meet up at a bar called Legends with cassette decks and patch cords.
    The Society is indeed alive and well.

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    Box set musings. And 4/27/91

    I'd second what HF says. A number of us have been saying the same thing for awhile: release whatever is release-able from the vault from the late 1960s. Those who were there aren't going to be around that much longer; it's the right thing to do. "... 'twere well it were done quickly" ?

    I certainly hope they don't try to release a monster 60-show box! At this point I have too much to listen to, anyway. I'd probably feel obligated to buy it (fomo) but I'd rather not lay out that much cashish.

    4/27/91 was an excellent show - so was the next day. Might as Well was reliable canary in the coal mine that Garcia was enjoying himself. A Sugar Mag 'sandwich' across two dates or across a stand of shows always makes me link two shows together in my mind. Glad I was there for both.

    One final musing. Take it with a grain of salt bc I am notoriously incorrect about all of my guesses about Dave's Picks and boxes. However - I felt like last year's box (Devils) wasn't the original plan, OR, if it was the plan all along, it was used specifically to fill the gap while they were working on something more complicated. We know from other comments Dave has made that April '78 has been 'on the bench' in almost ready-to-ship condition for many years now. Too bad we can't ask Silberman when he got asked to write up the notes. Anyway, the late announcement on that box last year made me wonder if they were indeed doing their level best to master some early tapes to the best of their ability. Perhaps it took longer than planned; perhaps also they've been having to sort through a lot of partial shows to try to shape a box set featuring that material, and they didn't want to rush things. I've got no intel to back this up, though.

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    I listen to all the years

    And yes, I still like and listen to the years that I went. Bruce is great in the band, listening to 4-27-91 now. I wasn’t there but Vguy was.
    Was listening to 3-29-90 in the car today.
    Listened to 7-21,22,23-90 in sequence earlier this week.

    The first CD I ever bought was Anthem in ‘89. Then had to make a cassette copy of it because I didn’t have a CD player. Wore out that tape and eventually got a CD player.

    I collect show torrents and listen to the primal years. There’s a lot of stuff there but it’s not all release worthy. Presumably what’s in the Vault sounds better, but we won’t know until Dave/Rhino release it all.
    So yes, release it all now while the older heads are still around to enjoy it. I’ll buy it, and keep buying the releases that follow.

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Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye
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But please carry on.
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Thanks Mary! You're our hero.
Cheers

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Thanks, Mary!

1stshow- saw your comment in the other thread. I know that once feral, a cat often never loses that wanderlust. So I hope it all works out. Checkers really is magnificent to look upon. Our best-ever cat was a black-n-white cat. We got him from a shelter but he'd been brought there as a kitten and he was still only 5 months old, so he was soon a proper indoor housecat. He had a white spot on one side of his black nose, and a black spot on top of his paw on that same side, as if the black fur had dripped down before it was dry, and had landed there.

He used to sleep in the crook of my arm every night... even (or especially) on the coldest winter nights, he wouldn't let me fall asleep until I had pulled my left arm out from under the covers, whereupon he'd turn around 2-3 times before settling down against it. He was a big boy, so then he'd kick against me to push my arm out to make more room for himself. He's been gone now for over 11 years but I still think about him...

...and my username here was his name. <3

Miss you, Obeah the Cat! So go on home, Checkers, your humans miss you, too

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Always wondered about that name. Love his story. I too had one that would curl up at my chest at naptime and arrange me to fit.
Mr. Ones has a great pair of cats for his icon, one tuxedo, one orange. He's been seldom seen lately but I'm sure he's lurking.
We lost Otto, the "brother" we adopted with Checkers, very early on due to FIV so we don't want to lose another. Thanks for letting me get this out.
Good news! My buddy is loaning us his trail camera tomorrow. At least we'll be able to verify if he's still around.
Cheers

DaP 52 rocks! It's all about the energy, no matter what the era. I have been a fan of this show since I got a great tape of it around 1998. Nice to have an even better copy!

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Now, back to business.
So, DaP 54 announcement……..

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or at least animals that are pets...

If you have the opportunity to see the animated movie "Flow"....see it. It's a perfect Christmas movie.

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Very pleased, my first in person show after being on the bus from early... the Wolfman Jack show.

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Just checked my stock on these two shows. Both of mine are top shelf sound, so I can't wait for the "official" release. No matter what they're always better than "public", sometimes not much, but with nice packaging :-).

Great setlist. Jerry sounds great on Morning Dew.

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Glad I subscribed w/early bird pricing.
May skip the RGM restock of DiP 1 vinyl which just came back into stock.
Cheers

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Best bonus-disc ever.. ? One of the truly great shows - thank you, Dave.. Merry X-mas to all from Copenhagen..

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Alright! More spring 73. Love it.

Wait, didn't we hear Europe 81?

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To quote Brent,
"Oh what the hell."
Ordered it.
I'll just do the Dennis and tell the wife these are collectables that will appreciate in value. Yeah, that's it.
Cheers
Dave says the filler on 54 is 3-31-73 Buffalo which is, in his words, the "penultimate" show of that tour. Penultimate should be one of those drinking games words like "veneer" for Antiques Roadshow.

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YEAAA, I thought we were getting a cool Europe 1981 show for #54 along w/bonus disc! I guess the same noise that told us the 2024 Box Set was Alaska/Hawaii 1980, and that DaP #51 was 9/26/91 called Europe 1981 for #54....sux

I mean the 2023 box Here comes Sunshine has 5-shows from a month or so later, again seems that the 1971-1978 era has been covered exhaustingly....I like 1973-74 for Jerry's playing, but there so many good songs that came after 1973 startiing with From the Mars Hotel - not really disappointed, cause knew there was 0% chance this release would be 1981

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I don't know if I've heard it either. I've heard so many from this timespan it's hard to know for sure. If somebody had asked me yesterday if it had already come out, I wouldn't have been able to answer with any confidence.

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Not sold out yet.
Maybe people don’t realize it’s available again.

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I’ll take er!
Now the picky DH might start on about other 73s, blah, blah, blah,
but as far as that tour goes these are arguably the best of the rest. Maybe what, 3/16 or 22? (Didn’t look up?) but I’ve heard em all and felt Baltimore was definitely worthy and that second set from Bu faf has to be heard! JAMS…that’s it in a word!
Good Sheet Mon, Top Shelf Where Mama Hides the Cookies! (aka RJ)

I can understand if 73 ain’t your cup of meat, as it does get a lot of love.
But it’s been since 38? I think was the last 73 Dave’s, though, yes it has been out otherwise.
I get the varying POVs about “the picks” and most are valid, but I think he’s trying…I mean DH can be a surly bunch and we all love what we love and just can’t get enough…personally, as long as they sound good I’m usually happier than a pig in slop, just sometimes ya wanna roll around longer ; )

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Spring ‘73 Mini-Box.

3-24 DaP32
3-26 DaP54
3-28 DaP16
3-31% 54bonus
4-2 DaP21

OroThing2,
So you’re saying that Dave actually got the neighborhood, street, and house correct?

Currently listening to 6-10-73 Set3 vinyl.

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I'm pleased with this pick. My intro to the Dave's series was Vol 21 - 4/2/73 Boston. At some point I went and picked up a copy of Vol 16 - 3/28/73 Springfield to backfill my collection, but I realized recently that I never really gave it more than a cursory first listen, so that show has been my commute music for much of this month. I think Phil's playing on that show's Dark Star may have put potholes into the road beneath my car. SO GOOD.

I've never heard a lick of either the Baltimore or Buffalo '73 shows, though, so this is exciting news! I know '73 shows are typically lengthy but WOW 3/26 looks like a marathon.

This will mean that the first 3 of 6 Baltimore shows will be officially released. The final such show is the "Raven Space" show. Does anyone know why they never went back to Baltimore after that April '82 show? I have to assume the cops and city hall probably decided to give them the heave-ho...

All in for more March '73 especially in the #2 DaP slot for the year so it gets a bonus disc. Super psyched for this one. I know that when I listened to Baltimore earlier this year I was totally in the "must release this!!" camp. Oro - wondered for a long while what "RJ" stood for - I knew it was high praise - but where did it come from? Finally was able to put 2 + 2 together - a "Rick Jeanneret".

For you dead serious primal heads - saw on SH Grateful Thread / Jesse Jarnow's bsky) that tapes from 2 previously uncirculated shows are up at LL: 11/18/66 Fillmore and 8/5/67 O'Keefe Center. Seem to be the real deal. The O'Keefe show a That's It For The Other One that will be the earliest version in circulation from what I read. jerrybase has uploaded both shows to utoob already.

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Playing some old vinyl.

‘Ovary Lodge’ - Ovary Lodge
An album on the Ogun label by a group including Keith Tippet and Julie Tippets. My wife, who was upstairs at the time, did wonder why she could hear a woman screaming downstairs.

‘Greasy Truckers Live at Dingwalls Dance Hall’ - Various Artists
Only played Side 4 featuring Gong. Despite the album title neither track was from Dingwalls.

‘Sounds of Sudan Volume 1: Songs from Kordofan’ - Abdul Gadir Salim
This album shows I was buying vinyl later than I thought since it was released in 1987.

‘Rhizosphere’. - Richard Pinhas
‘Heldon IV’ - Heldon
If you haven’t heard Heldon or Richard Pinhas who is in the group then I wholeheartedly recommend them.

Next I’ll get back to the CDs that are piling up waiting to be played.

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Already mentioned maybe but I'm late to the party. Just finished the 1st set yesterday. Is this a cassette SB? Were they using digital cassette by then? Sound was not what I expected. Even after they clear up the issues a couple songs in it seemed a bit muddy. Frankly my 1998 tape sounds better. I know, caveat emptor and all that and I'm glad to have it but just curious.
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Edit: Liner notes say it was cassette. And DAT wasn't invented until 1987 I discovered.

I was just testing my new 8' drone in the shape of a steelie. Candace Brightman helped with the LED lighting system, I can see why people thought it was a UFO.

Note: This drone has never been in NJ. I have my hands full weaving it in between NASA Godard Space Flight Center, the NSA, Fort Meade and DC.

These flights were all peaceful flyovers with US Blues coming out of the tiny drone speakers.

Baltimore 73 on the other hand is a worth pick. I think it was Wissoming that called for it a couple weeks ago. I wanted a mini box of Philly and Baltimore 73, but dammit, Dave never listens to me.

Edit: I have sad news to report. I replaced US Blues with Keep Your Day Job on the Steelie Drone playlist today. Eleven minutes after takeoff, my beloved Steelie drone was shot down. My flag is flying at half mast, I am not sure I can repair it.

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Subedit: If you are not familiar with the Baltimore / Edgar Allan Poe / The Raven / Baltimore Civic Center reference, the above drone story will seem a bit about of place. On a related note, if you ever decide to trip in a graveyard, bring a copy of The Raven and give it a read preferably by candlelight, or just listen to the Space from 4/19/82 and it will become crystal clear. Either way don't expect to get a good restful nights sleep. Baltimore 1973 you say, I say hell yes.. what took you so long, Dave.

that's all I got, as you were

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why is cash becoming more and more useless as time goes on?

Every time you turn around to pay for something "no cash accepted"

Classist bullsh!+

The world gets lamer every day, I tell ya

Thank goodness for the GD

and I really mean that

It truly keeps me on this Earth

GBtGD

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What's next? Testicle Hut?

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The album I was listening to was released in 1976 so there’s been plenty of time for Testicle Hut to get their shit together. Like fetch, it’s never going to happen.

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Hey, I hate that no cash crap and don't understand it. Costs them more to process credit cards than the cost of cash, which is zero.

Out on the road today I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac. Was at the liquor store last night and picked up a gnarly head grateful Dead limited edition cab. The cashier looked at the bottle and said cool! I need to get one of these because I am a Deadhead. I said you are, so am I. I then had a sudden desire to chat him up about the new release announcement, but I thought no, I better move along. We are everywhere!

Copies of the 2012 vinyl release from Brookvale Records are high priced.

This Real Gone issue isn’t the same, read the description:

“ remastered for vinyl by Jeffrey Norman from the original analog tapes for the first time ever (the previous LP release was taken from digital files).”

“ Our release actually includes some material (featuring the long-lost Phil Lesh bass solo) that was left off previous iterations of this show, and, with lacquer cutting by Clint Holley and Dave Polster at Well Made Music and pressing on 180-gram black vinyl by Gotta Groove Records, the sound on this 4-LP boxed set—which, again, comes straight from the original analog tapes for the first time—is simply sublime. ”

This Real Gone issue came out in 2023, then sold out.
So, they must have “found some” in the back of the warehouse.

Slot machines don’t spit out coins anymore.

And Bitcoin, when I first heard of it the price was under $10. I considered buying 100 of them but didn’t……
Kicking myself now. But back then it was just used on the dark web and I wasn’t sure how to get it from a legitimate source.

I think the real reason about places not taking cash is simply they don't trust their employees with the Green.

And can you believe banks will charge you for depositing cash into a business account? Credit cards just happen without an owner having to go to the bank everyday. When I had my gas station we had a river of cash that flowed everyday. But I'm sure most use plastic today. When I was a kid in the gas business, you would only see maybe 2 credit cards a night!

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Yes, employee theft could definitely be part of the equation. But, no banks do not charge businesses or people that deposit cash. They do charge businesses on every transaction used with a credit card and swipe fee. Can be up to 4,% of the transaction.

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No, it's real. $0.15 per every $100 deposited after the $7500/month limit. Cash handling fee. Jeez! You're a bank! Handling cash is what you do. Find a better bank is the answer to that. Everybody makes you pay for every minute of their time nowadays.
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The liquor store I frequent just initiated a card fee of 3.5% so now I pay cash.
I remember credit cards being a new thing when I was in Jr. High. How's that for making you feel old, lol.
And bar codes and scanners at the grocery store didn't show up in my small town until 1979-80.

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Better switch banks Firstshow. My bank, a very large one, does not have a cash handling fee.

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That was a google search as I didn't believe it either. Not sure what bank, but it was referring to commercial accounts. I certainly never have any cash to deposit, lol. The money goes out but not in to my accounts.
Cheers

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The bank I went to wanted to charge for EVERY deposit and EVERY check. It was tidy sum. Since I worked at ATT for years I was a member of the credit union (once a member, always a member, still am!), but they had "business" accounts and everything was free! So we ended up there.

On employees and cash, even if not stolen, people are terrible money handlers. How often you get wrong change (both ways) from cashiers? We won't even talk about handing them an odd collection of money so you get even money back. Like the bill is 16.57, so you give them 21.57 and they hand you back the 1.57 because the 20 will cover the bill!

Do I sound old or what? :-) These kids today......

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The TOOs employer had to hold meetings for managers to learn how to balance the drawer and do a deposit…
The drawer is only $25, so you count out 25, put that back in drawer, then deposit the rest…for this they needed training…
Yeah, tell me again how I’m a stupid boomer!

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Any shipping notice yet on DiP 1?
Only 3 days now so not worried.
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Edit: Got the shipping notice just now. Woohoo!

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Billboard magazine ran a story about the Dead's giving back with benefits and the Rex Foundation in the wake of the band being honored recently my MusicCares. In the article, there is also mention of a proper box for their 60th Anniversary:

"Rhino Entertainment — which celebrated the band’s 50th anniversary in 2015 with an 80-disc 30 Trips Around the Sun box set that collected 30 unreleased Dead shows, one from each year it was active — has a surprise in store for GD60. “We’ve been working on something that we feel is special and commensurate with an anniversary as big as this,” says David Lemieux, the Grateful Dead’s legacy manager and archivist. “Mark [Pinkus, Rhino president] and I got on the call about a year ago [to begin working on it], and when we started talking about it, we both couldn’t contain our joy.”

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