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    marye
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    Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye

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  • proudfoot
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    lots of partial tracks and cuts

    oh well

    some very hot material in there

    I think of them as quilts instead of whole shows

    who has a time machine to go back to record every 1968 GD show?

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    First, 24000 X $100 = 2,400,000 (more for ala carte), so it’s not like their not making any money. And that’s just DaP, there’s also boxes, merch, other music, and miscellaneous shwag, which you’d think the series helps bolster.
    And, it’s probably helping to foster a new generation of fans/consumers.

    Not sure about Plangent costs, but double dipping with vinyl sales surely helps reduce that, AND they already have the shows/tapes in the can, don’t need much editing, and perhaps Norman has a contract so not charging them full hourly rates, so guessing there’s still good profit for tapes that were just sitting around and considered commercially useless BITD.
    I think Ian makes a good point that part of this may be for us to fund the digitization of the collection whether for some specific reason and/or historical archiving.
    Remember when the whole terrapin station museum was a thing with that fine 3/15/90 release to supposedly raise funds…and specifically Mickey saying they wanted to digitize the collection so there’d be a kiosk that you could order up any show on the way in and pick it up on the way out. But that led to the public blowup after Mickey saying Phil got the liver of a jerk because he didn’t want to give all their rights/ownership away and hear Truckin’ every time a Chevy commercial came on, just to cover the large digitization cost.
    So maybe their getting two birds stoned with one joint as TPB Ricky would say, in that they get things digitized, we pay for it, and they get paid doing so, and we get fine, cleaned up shows…
    As far as rocket science, 24K was selling just fine until the tax scare went down (thanks to DV for explaining all that). So that, and let’s face it, none of us is getting any younger, so losing some folks, and others perhaps interest is waning and/or some are saturated enough. Mix in some lesser grade shows and yeah, it’s not rocket science…but again, if they were happy with 12K, anything above that should be bueno.

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    a coworker of mine had a bit role in the pilot of twin peaks

    and

    another coworker of mine grew up friends with Brendan Fraser

    autographs in the foyer at two oclock this afternoon

  • proudfoot
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    "a damn fine cup of coffee"?

  • Dennis
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    Thanks for this mention.

    On utube found an album of Johnny Kidd & The Pirates (a two cd set called The Very Best of.....)

    Downloaded it. Nice 50's / 60's rock. Would have called them "oldies" in my youth. Some great stuff.

    The tube also had two live shows from "the pirates", from 77 and 79. Grabbed them both.

    As always I thank the community for pointing out music stuff. NO one can know every group, ever. But as a group we throw a large loop.

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    Probably the weirdest film I have ever seen. I've never seen chickens the same way since.

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    It was Eraserhead I saw at the cinema in 1980, not The Elephant Man.

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    "In the long run"..

    "Hear Hear".. bw from Copenhagen..

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    I was shocked and saddened to read of David Lynch's passing. I have been watching his films since I saw "The Elephant Man " in a cinema in Oldham back in 1980. No other film maker has had the same impact on me. I only finished re-watching the 3rd series of "Twin Peaks" two days ago. Amazing. What an imagination and way of expressing it. It was also through following him that I learned about transcendental meditation. Something to think about today.

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    I don't think this is a money making exercise
    This astonishing body of work needs archiving before the tapes deteriorate
    We are both funding this and benefitting from it
    Long may it continue!

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Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye

You bastard lol…JK ; )
Like us obsessive DH nuts don’t overthink enough already lol
Actually, good to see ya and thanks for the info, which is really just a giant tease of course lol
AND!
Getting ready next week to check out the end of 1979 and know you recorded the New Years run, but can’t recall what name their under?
Think those are the only shows you archived that I haven’t heard yet, so would love to check em out!
Tanks!

It's GOTTA be some stuff from the 60s

Announcement in October

Until then...

Lots of GD adventures await

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People in airports who travel with dogs

Ugh

I ain't talking service animals

How is this a thing?

Getting to the airport today I got super po'd at some phuc trying to pass on the shoulder

Love your neighbor
Be kind

Easier said than done

I havent trantrumed like that in a while

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I’m sure I’m not the only one to consider a “60 trips” box featuring ? something from all 60 years? 96&97 you have Furthur Tours: Mystery Box, Rat Dog, Bruce, etc, 98 or so The Other Ones, then Phil gets going end of 99, Bobby throughout…, The Dead in 03, 04, and 09, Futhur around 09, or 10 I think, Fare Thee Well 2015, and D&C since, with Billy and the Kids and what not sporadically, and Mickeys varying trips, and of course Bob throughout in 1 form or another…not sure how I’d feel about that, I’d rather have 60 dead shows lol, but it seems like the thing they’d do.
I still like Modular approach idea, so of course there’s no way in hell lol

Edit: deep breaths PF…think of Kevin Bacon in the final scene of Animal House lol

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Also got a shipping notice.

Oro, 60 Trips
I don’t need or want anything after 95.
But 30 x 2 = 60, 2 shows per year would be spectacular.
Of course, that would also double the price.

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That is quite the tease Nitecat. So, what does it mean.......
And how much will it cost us?
Do we need to put away $1000?. 30 Trips was what $900?

I couldn't swing the 30 Trips Box in 2015, but I did end up buying probably 25 of the shows for way more than that original price through out the years. Won't make that mistake again.

I'm more inclined to agree with Billy, as usual, so I would like the 60th to focus on the 60's. And 1970. The essential years would be 1968-1970 for me, but a bigger box would allow for 1966 and 1967 to be included too.

To me, the Grateful Dead has to include Jerry, so I wouldn't buy anything from this collective that didn't include him. I've seen individual members of The Dead live in years since then - on separate occasions and with different bands, Phil, Bob and Tom Constanten. But I wouldn't buy any more releases from line ups like those. I no longer listen to the few I have.

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I take what they offer. Hopefully a big heavy wooden box :-) A box so heavy it will need it's own shelf. (I'm designing it as I type)

It will be a glorious box filled with every show "I" ever wanted. All the Brent shows with tinny keyboard sound (the one everyone loves). Every show with someone yelling "Saint Stephen". I'd like the show with the guy (no not poleguy), the guy who danced up and down the stairs during Not Fade Away yelling "Not Fuckin' Jerry".

It will be a GREAT box, loved by all!

Enjoy

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Once again…ole Dennis is on it ! ; )

Edit: I still say mods the way to go…
Modules, X amount of shows per mod, price decreases per mod the more mods you purchase. That way Daverock, BTK get what would make them happy. Those who want it all will be happy, and also those (probably most) can do something in between which will make them happy…
I know, ain’t gonna happen : (

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I think I’ll wait to see what they offer. Then I’ll decide if I want it.

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Oro - I will be happy whatever is released - which doesn't mean I will necessarily buy it. Reminds me of a form I had to fill in for the hospital recently asking what I couldn't do as a result of health problems. The results suggested my quality of life had deteriorated. Which I thought was a false assumption to come to. Minor problems only. My quality of life isn't dependent on physical ability at all. I might have been naffed off to be like this at 27 - but at 67? - heck - I'm glad to be still alive!

Back to Dave Spicks 43 and two shows, one from November and one December 1969. Two Dark Stars and a mini acoustic set. Sweet.

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....regarding 30 Trips when the E72 steamer trunk came out. I also have probably spent more trying to purchase them separately after the fact. I have about 2/3 of them. How much was that steamer trunk again?

All of $450 based on wiki and not my memory or cc statement. 7200. Sold out in 4 days. My reaction to the announcement was NFW and I ordered immediately (thank goodness).

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back then it was straight on the CC and figure it out later.

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ChatGPT sez: The original price of the 30 Trips Around the Sun boxed set by the Grateful Dead was $700. This limited edition set, released in 2015, includes 80 CDs featuring 30 previously unreleased concerts, one from each year of the band's career from 1966 to 1995.

Personally I have no idea what it cost anymore. I know it was a buttload of moolah. My brain automatically blocks traumatic memories.

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That was and is a bargain. Missed out on that one as well at the time in 2011. Bought a used one a couple years ago for $1200. It is a spectacular!

Always better to buy directly from this site if you can swing it.

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was Jan 2011. Crazy response from the deadhead masses. Looks like a big part of the green light to Dave's Picks which debuted 2012.

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I had just bought a house and didn’t want to spend the $450.
Then it sold out and I realized my error.
Then it came out as a music only edition (no schwag or steamer trunk) and I grabbed one.

I missed out on FW69 Box too.
But now have it on vinyl.

I’ll gladly buy a 30 Trips Part 2.
30 Trips Around & Around The Sun

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and Big Box Sets. All I can say is don't f^ck up when the next one comes around.

edit - this is a cautionary tale

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At the time, it felt like I was the only one who couldn't afford E72, kids were little, wife stayed home. It took a couple of years, but eventually bought all of the shows a la carte, would like to have the trunk though. Funny too, I originally couldn't resist, but the GD POS system crashed for like 2 days, and made it nearly impossible to order, and in that amount of time I came to my senses and decided to wait

Had to pass on 30 Trips too for same reasons. Now said kids are in college, so, don't see a 60 show box in my near future either, but I like the idea of other lineups, tons of grate post Jerry music out there

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I didn't get the Europe for all the usual reasons. $450 seemed like so much money at the time. And then I probably spent roughly the same amount of money, if not more, collecting those shows one by one.

Same for the Fillmore '69. Bought 'em all on vinyl, eventually, Paid more than what the original box cost.

I call this method of acquisition "paying the stupid tax." I pay that tax surprisingly often. Maybe not so surprisingly.

So I tend to just grab the boxes now.

I hope they use the 60th anniversary as a chance to put out a box of 60 year old stuff, or at least clean the vaults of whatever pre-'69 they have. I'm actually not much interested in a collection from the past 30 years. Plenty of good music, sure. But it ain't the Grateful Dead,

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Tonight on CBS. Bob, Mickey, Billy all dressed up. Commercial showed TTB playing? Was wondering who would they have playing their tunes. James Taylor there too. Wonder if he would be doing a Dead tune. Hmm... which one would I want JT covering? Ripple? Monkey & the Engineer, lol? Will someone do Box of Rain to honor Phil? Oh, and Bonnie Raitt will be honored too!
Cheers

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Always the deciding factor. I remember when my wife and I could either collect the pennies for the toll road to work or take the longer free road. Money comes and goes. I must have been at the right point when I bought the E72 box. I know at the time didn't mention money to my wife.

Last word on spending money (ha). My brother in law used to say, "put it to the coke test,,,,, would you spend that much on coke?"

Now there was some money pissed away!

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this cold December morning". The Dead never played it live, they used it as a backing track on 4/26/69 during their encore. Some really far out lyrics.

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Anything after 95 just ain't GD

I certainly hope a 60th box includes only GD.

Any "remains of the Dead" lineups are nice and all, but I dont want to buy any of it.

Gimme gimme gimme GD

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Got him on trail cam on our porch last night. We'll get him tonight hopefully. Two weeks out in the cold. Will be a good Christmas.
Cheers and thanks to all

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Super cool that he was on the trail cam! I loved that you were rolling with that (I sorta want a trail cam.)

And - I love What's Become of the Baby - reading the lyrics for the first time - in Box of Rain I'm guessing - was something of a >mind-blown< moment.

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Da Man!
Ehhhhh Pussicato!

“What’s new pussycay, whoa a whoa whoa wo” 🎶

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Vguy, see my avatar pic.
Been on a 2 week walkabout.
Had the wife worried sick.
Cheers
Oro doin' the Tom Jones, lol.
My wife and her best friend when they were in high school in Charleston, WV went to the parking lot of the Tom Jones concert and left flyers on the cars that said "Tom Jones STUFFS!" Gotta love a woman who thinks like that.

Huge difference between the version on the original mix and that on the remixed version of Aoxomoxoa. For about 20 years, the only one I had heard was the remixed version, so it was quite a revelation to eventually hear the earlier version - which is much better. To my ears, anyway.

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Yeah, there is a world of difference in the remixed version and the original mix. The whole album is much better with the original mix,. The same with Anthem of the Sun,, much better with the original mix.

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That performance brought tears to my eyes. Extremely well done. Hope I'm not the only one that watched it?

Truly exceptional presentation.

Ha.. Bagira. She escaped the other night and I could not retrive her before I had to retire. It was like 12 degrees and she's like a hundred years old in cat years, and skinny as fluck. I had given her off for dead, but got up at 6 expecting the worst, opened the door and in she runs, ate some food and slept for two days straight.

China Cat, go figure.

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...Center broadcast...
emotional "ripple"
hilarious Letterman coming
out of the microbus
and video of teaching guitar to Garcia
with a nice group end of the night version NFA

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I thought the Kennedy Center thing was pretty good. Lots of good words from lots of people.

And some good songs, although they chopped 'em short. Like with Ripple they only did one of the "Ripple in still water" parts, and then cut the "la da da da" ending thing in half. Which is unfortunate, because that only saves, what, 10 seconds? And one thing that's true about Dead music: you gotta let it breathe a little. So I wish they didn't do that.

Surprise of the evening was to see Chloe Sevigny up there talking about the Wall of Sound and her years as a Deadhead. For some reason it can still surprise me when somebody who was into punk turns out to also love the Dead. Even though I was into punk, but also loved the Dead. For the record, unlike Chloe, I never qualified as a punk fashion icon though.

Anyway, fun to see the guys honored that way. Nice that they also kind of honored the 'heads by having a smoke-filled VW van on one side of the stage, complete with a couple tie dyed youngsters watching and swaying. And yeah, I got a little misty when they had Jerry onscreen singing Ripple.

I'm sure it's all on Yew Toob by now if you want to check it.

Well worth checking out the video, growing up in the DC area in the 50s and 60s, MLK riot, Nixon, JFK, the Viet Nam War demonstrations, that edifice next to Watergate became an outrageously amazing place for top flight performance of many kinds...fortunate to get there a bit. Great music last night (actually it was on Dec 8th, really hard to get tickets with all the politicos lined up). Keb Mo and Susan Tedeschi doing Robert Johnson's Walkin' Blues? Just fabulous. Derek, Don Was, so great to see Grahame Lesh on stage too. Wonderful to see Trixie with the boys.

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It's streaming at cbs dot com, and you can watch it on whatever you're posting here with, most likely! And, yeah, so sweet.
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Caught the clips this morning. Missed all the commercials, lol. The CBS 35 minute interview with the three remaining members done by Anthony Mason was good too. One of the comments on ytube was, "I can't believe Bill is the one I like the most now" which made me laugh. And that late 70s(?) clip of Letterman "teaching" Garcia to play guitar was short but priceless.
Cheers

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Not too proud to admit, I shed some tears. Thought about my buddy Maz who got me on the bus in the early 80’s Lost him 2 years ago but that man got me on the bus what more could you do for someone? God Bless the Grateful Dead and God bless brother Maz!

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Thanks to all for your support.
It's a merry Christmas.
Cheers

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Just in case I don't make it here tomorrow.

Hope everyone's holiday will be filled with warmth from those we love.

Let there be songs to fill the air.

Dennis