Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83) | Grateful Dead — Take 2

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December 17, 2024 - 10:57am

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marye

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Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye

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January 17, 2025 - 10:46am

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proudfoot

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March 68

lots of partial tracks and cuts

oh well

some very hot material in there

I think of them as quilts instead of whole shows

who has a time machine to go back to record every 1968 GD show?
January 17, 2025 - 9:07am

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Oroborous

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Selling cont

First, 24000 X $100 = 2,400,000 (more for ala carte), so it’s not like their not making any money. And that’s just DaP, there’s also boxes, merch, other music, and miscellaneous shwag, which you’d think the series helps bolster.
And, it’s probably helping to foster a new generation of fans/consumers.

Not sure about Plangent costs, but double dipping with vinyl sales surely helps reduce that, AND they already have the shows/tapes in the can, don’t need much editing, and perhaps Norman has a contract so not charging them full hourly rates, so guessing there’s still good profit for tapes that were just sitting around and considered commercially useless BITD.
I think Ian makes a good point that part of this may be for us to fund the digitization of the collection whether for some specific reason and/or historical archiving.
Remember when the whole terrapin station museum was a thing with that fine 3/15/90 release to supposedly raise funds…and specifically Mickey saying they wanted to digitize the collection so there’d be a kiosk that you could order up any show on the way in and pick it up on the way out. But that led to the public blowup after Mickey saying Phil got the liver of a jerk because he didn’t want to give all their rights/ownership away and hear Truckin’ every time a Chevy commercial came on, just to cover the large digitization cost.
So maybe their getting two birds stoned with one joint as TPB Ricky would say, in that they get things digitized, we pay for it, and they get paid doing so, and we get fine, cleaned up shows…
As far as rocket science, 24K was selling just fine until the tax scare went down (thanks to DV for explaining all that). So that, and let’s face it, none of us is getting any younger, so losing some folks, and others perhaps interest is waning and/or some are saturated enough. Mix in some lesser grade shows and yeah, it’s not rocket science…but again, if they were happy with 12K, anything above that should be bueno.
January 17, 2025 - 8:55am

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proudfoot

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a coworker of mine had a bit role in the pilot of twin peaks

and

another coworker of mine grew up friends with Brendan Fraser

autographs in the foyer at two oclock this afternoon
January 17, 2025 - 8:52am

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proudfoot

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or is it

"a damn fine cup of coffee"?
January 17, 2025 - 8:49am

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Dennis

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Stone Man Dave & The Pirates

Thanks for this mention.

On utube found an album of Johnny Kidd & The Pirates (a two cd set called The Very Best of.....)

Downloaded it. Nice 50's / 60's rock. Would have called them "oldies" in my youth. Some great stuff.

The tube also had two live shows from "the pirates", from 77 and 79. Grabbed them both.

As always I thank the community for pointing out music stuff. NO one can know every group, ever. But as a group we throw a large loop.
January 17, 2025 - 8:25am

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simonrob

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Eraserhead

Probably the weirdest film I have ever seen. I've never seen chickens the same way since.
January 17, 2025 - 7:23am

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daverock

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Eraserhead

It was Eraserhead I saw at the cinema in 1980, not The Elephant Man.
January 17, 2025 - 2:14am

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Danehead

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"In the long run"..

"Hear Hear".. bw from Copenhagen..
January 17, 2025 - 1:28am

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daverock

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RIP David Lynch

I was shocked and saddened to read of David Lynch's passing. I have been watching his films since I saw "The Elephant Man " in a cinema in Oldham back in 1980. No other film maker has had the same impact on me. I only finished re-watching the 3rd series of "Twin Peaks" two days ago. Amazing. What an imagination and way of expressing it. It was also through following him that I learned about transcendental meditation. Something to think about today.
January 16, 2025 - 11:28pm

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iangillespie

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In The Long Run

I don't think this is a money making exercise
This astonishing body of work needs archiving before the tapes deteriorate
We are both funding this and benefitting from it
Long may it continue!

Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye

:)

Merry Christmas!

Happy Hanukkah!

Hello Checkers!!

*Edit- do you guys know if the RFK '89 set was recorded to multi-track ? I was thinking of getting the high res download...

The Grateful Dead yule log....

....is live. June '77 Winterland currently.

Apropos of Nothing

If you've got a few minutes give Pink Floyd's Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun a listen today in honor of the Parker Solar Probe, currently on the closest ever flight to the surface of the sun and likely setting new speed records for a human made craft. If you prefer, perhaps give Anthem of the Sun a spin and ponder the wonders of heliophysics.

Set The Controls....

....played Works last night with zero knowledge.
I like it when a plan comes together.
Trying to stay in the Christmas spirit.
Currently making food, kinda high and revisting The Moody Blues Long Distance Voyager.
Been a minute.

CHECKERS!!!

It’s a Festivus Miracle!

12/23/70 Winterland

A short but very cool show, it would make for nice filler along with another 1970 show.

Speaking of Anthem of the Sun

I wore my AOTS tshirt at Joshua Tree yesterday

One of "my precious" tees

Hey, you're a captive audience...PF's favorite tshirts!!!

Anthem of the Sun

Beatles Revolver

Bob Marley One Love

Make America Grateful Again

Velvet Underground

The Cheech from Cheech Marin's Chicano Art Museum in Riverside CA

What's cooking for Christmas?

Rib Eye Steaks. I hope everybody has a great day. Merry Christmas everyone.

Merry Christmas!

Hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas!

Merry Christmas To All

And my birthdate brother TN John.
Thanks Oro for the "miracle".
I needed a miracle.
Cheers
No tofurkey this time. Honey glazed ham, special mashed taters, stuffing, carrots w/chives, green beans. Pecan pie for dessert. Mmm!

Dinner?

Beef Tenderloin

Homemade lasagna and deviled eggs....

....Christmas tradition, and we're not even Italian, so don't ask.
Neighbor brought over tamales.
Full disclosure. If you invite me over and there are deviled eggs around, you better hide them. You've been warned.

On Xmas Day in the Morning

Listening to the new RGM vinyl DiP 1. This was a gift I gave myself, on impulse. And against my better judgment, since I really try to avoid 'doubling up' and buying vinyl when I already have a perfectly good CD version. But damn, this sounds really good!

And needless to say this show top tier GD. If I ever wanted to make the case the '73 was really the Best Year Ever I'd be sure to include some examples from this one. That HCS!

Hope you're all having a wonderful holiday. We're doing a pork roast at the Casa de Crow, for the record. It's marinating right now in some miso and rosemary, will go in the oven shortly for its long slow journey to the table, where it will be joined by mashed taters, asparagus, and what should be some really good zinfandel.

Plus, Checkers lives! What more could we ask?

(Oh, well, since you asked. It would've been nice if the stealie t-shirt I ordered for my wife had come by now. Apparently it hasn't even shipped. No biggie, but, you know. Thought I'd able to put it under the tree for her. Ah well.)

Still, I'm feeling very blessed. Hope you are, too.

Crow Told Me....

....yup. Sounds incredible.
The smart bird feeder was a smash hit. Happy wife, happy Vguy.
Wife got me some fancy cheeses. Pinky out!

Smart Feeder

I think we need one of those too.
Cheers
Pork roast, tenderloins, rib eyes, tamales (a very SW sort of Xmas tradition I love and miss today), you guys have me drooling.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays out there. Hope you all have a good one.

Looking forward to 2025.

Ho Fuggin Ho Amigos!

Christmas in bed with the GD…na, even I’m not THAT bad!
Xmass day only tradition: bad cereal in bed, with cold Baileys (or B&B) coffee, Xmass cookies and Ralphy on a loop! “He looks like a deranged Easter bunny”
All while it’s puking white gold outside and the jukebox currently spinning John Prines Christmas’s in prison followed by Sharon Jones Ain’t No Chimney in the Projects!
Dinner, leftover home made chicken pot pie (who wants to cook today ; ) with Sammy Smiths Outmeal Stout, and yet more home made Xmass cookies…here goes the diet lol

Edit: please remember the sage advice of Nora Jones and “Shake yer Christmas butt, until the crabby goes away…” 🎶

Nora Jones..

Wouldnt mind shaking HER butt..

Happy new Year

home at Mom’s over Christmas found a huge mother load of old tour tshirts. Plus many ticket stubs what a fun and awesome walk down memory lane. Two tshirts form The Well days and I must add the Well tshirts held up like champs just like brand new.

Thank you BTK for 12/23/70 referral

Excellent listening on phone archive as I prep for road trip

Hey y'all
Check out El Monte shows
12/26, 27, 28/70

Boxworthy....

Festivus

At an old friends last night for Christmas dinner, off the grid, farm much of their own food. Short ribs from cattle raised just over the hill, garden carrots, orzo kale casserole, brought my south of the border cornbread and a Cali Cab from 1995, Taylor Fladgate 2014 LBV to go with berry compote, tahini cake dessert. Though he followed our band until the end of the Pig era, we listened to jazz mostly so today I will rectify.

6/23/74

:)))

Orzo kale casserole??....

.....need recipe. Stat!

Vguy recipe

Will PM you what they tell me, no recipe turning into a threadkiller

DaP 52

This 2nd set is just crackling with energy from the get go. The rain shower between sets might have produced that whole negative ion thing that really makes you feel good. Like being near a waterfall. The SW is so dry with positive ions and static electricity the norm that when it switches it's very noticeable. Or maybe it was just the vibe from good acid. Hard to tell.
Sound seems less muddy on this set than the 1st. Probably more my listening in the bedroom today vs. the big system on the 1st set rather than the recording though.
A great show. Thanks Dave & Co.
Cheers

Edit: Did not hear that clicking sound in He's Gone that some have noticed.

Festivus

Love a good Port with desert. A classic.

Porto, Portugal is only a couple hour drive from Galacia, Spain, where Garcia's father was born. So like any good deadhead, I enjoy a good glass of Port with desert be it Ruby, Tawny or Vintage.

Anniversary shows 12/27/79,80,81,82,83,84. Oakland& S.F.

Fun Times.

DiP 1 Vinyl

2757/3000 in the house.
Caution - Let warm to room temperature before consuming.
Cheers

Last Few

Last Few:

Frampton Comes Alive- DVD-Audio, so good.
Dave's #29-Swing
The Christmas Song-Nate King Cole
7/21/72- Seattle, from the Download Series, #10.

Sweet list Billy!

DP1 vinyl

2519/3000

Has arrived.

Hopefully will spin tomorrow night.

So, I got a little high, and I was thinking....

....why haven't they released 3.15.90 on vinyl?
They should really think about doing that.
Go Knights.

Towlie

ha.. sounds like something Towlie would say.

Billy TC

Hey Billy, we keep going to the same shows! Count 12/27/77 also for me! It sure was great living in the Bay Area.
Also, let me wish all you fun deadheads a safe and prosperous New Year. My daily visits to these threads are a joy.

12-19-73% vinyl spinning now

Sounds good, Phil is very present.
DP1 sounded amazing when it first came out compared to my hissy cassettes.
But now that we have all heard the glory of Plangent, time for this show and others to get Plangentized/Normanized.

Indeed....

....like 3.15.90!!
Not high currently, but the shattered memories remain.
Sound is incredible Conekid.

Anniversary shows 12/28/79,80,81,82,83,84,86 Oakland & S.F.

Fun times. Really think 12/28/83 should be released, one of my favorites.

How many new years shows have been released?

12 31 76
12 31 78

12 31 87 kinda

12-31-77%

A few songs were on the bonus cd that came with The Closing of Winterland DVD or CD.

RIP Jimmy Carter....

....average prez. Incredible human being.
I miss boring politics.
Godspeed Mr. President o7.
It pains me to type this part, but here we go. Thankful he passed while Biden was still in office. He'll get the honors he deserves. Unlike the alternative. Look. I just call em as I see em. And I've seen enough. Trust me.

12/31/78

And another bonus cd that slipped through the net ! I got the dvd - but there was no cd in there. I'm not keen on this trick of releasing selective bonus cds. They didn't always seem to make it to Britain in the pre Dave Picks days. Why not release the things properly, without the selective inclusion or attempt at manipulation? I would never subscribe to Dave's Picks just to get one anyway.

Aye, a raise of the glass to Jimmy Carter

Worked with Habitat for Humanity after his term

GD

6/22/74 bonus disc currently

On deck:

Bunch of GD68
4/24/71 (it's been a while)
4/25/71
DiP 30
11/7/71
12/31/71

GBtGD

Bonus discs

Maybe I should say, I always appreciate it when someone burns a copy of one for me. For every system, there's a way round it !

Cover Error On DiP 1 Vinyl

I'm staring at the cover sitting across the room of the new DiP 1 vinyl. It is boldly labelled Dick's Pick's. There shouldn't be an apostrophe in Pick's. Double checked the CD releases and sure enough they are labelled Dick's Picks. And the Dick's Picks 3 & 19 vinyl releases have the correct punctuation. Proves my theory that there aren't any editors out there anymore. Or anyone who paid attention during English class, lol.
Cheers
Edit: I haven't opened it yet. I wonder if they made the same mistake on the records.

Bonus Winterland 1977-12-31

Among other songs from previous NYE-Shows this bonus disc has:
Lazy Lightning-1977-12-31 - 3-36
Supplication-1977-12-31 - 5-35
Sugar Magnolia-1977-12-31 - 11-59
Scarlet Begonias-1977-12-31 - 8-48
Fire On The Mountain-1977-12-31 - 10-06
Cheers
G.

DP1 vinyl box typo

My cover also has it. The LP’s do not.

Could it be intentional?
DP1 was issued on vinyl in 2012 by Brookvale Records by pressing a copy of the CD onto vinyl ($400 on eBay).
This Real Gone copy is made from the tapes and contains additional material that is not on the CD (see the Real Gone page).
So, the extra ‘ may be to make this issue identifiable without looking at the back of the box.

I can confirm that the Real Gone issue sounds good and has the Phil solo (Philostomp) that was not included on the CD.

Anniversary shows 12/30/79,80,81,82,83,86. S.F. & OAKLAND

Fun,times.

To be an ideal guest, stay at home..........

Hey rockers!

Deep breaths are very helpful at shallow parties.........

I know what MY resolution will be. For everybody else, I recommend the following: "Think I'll check my PMs more frequently this year". LOL............................

Write it on your heart that every day is the best day in the year...........

Rock on,

Doc
Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man...........