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    So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

    Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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  • #281
    mona
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    hey
    vvhat johnman said :)
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    My experience
    With chat rooms and not necessarily at dead.net is that the people who are shady i.e. pose threats are in fact juveniles in the 10-12 year old range. It doesn't mean there isn't a more sinister plot going on too but the majority are kids being stupid. After watching what they write for awhile it is painfully obvious what their age is.. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
  • #283
    marye
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    yeah
    the logging thing is available to one and all. But the fact that people are getting into the chatroom without logging onto Dead.net is a problem.
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    some thoughts
    Thank you Marye. I am sure everyone appreciates deadnet hosting the Chatroom and as Swan has mentioned, it is not an issue of permanent moderation: in general conflicts have been sorted out pretty quick there. But the lack of security makes it far too easy for those few people with bad intentions to exploit and abuse others. In fact have now discovered just how easy it is to ‘break into’ the chatroom from outside. My understanding is that Gagalive is a free internet Chatroom service that has been embedded in deadnet and that it could be hard for Deadnet to impose its own additional security on it. But I am not an expert on these things. It has also dawned on me that as long as you are logged into the CR you can scroll back through (and therefore copy/paste) all the chat from the moment you logged in. So if you stay anonymously logged on for hours or days from the outside (like some people appear to do) you may be able just to copy everything that has gone on. I was going to do an experiment to test this, but eavesdropping even for a few moments makes me feel really bad, so I won’t. If the chat record has a much shorter life (a few minutes) it might make systematic logging much more hassle. Hope this helps CB
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    may i suggest ideas about chatroom's safety
    for sure i want this chat room to keep going , and want topics to be discussed without " politically correct " restrains about opinions . The real urgency , methinks, is about safety settings in 3 easy steps ; 1) anyone wanting access to chatroom must be fist logged in at dead.net and 2) must first be a registered member with dead.net (with a valid e-mail) , and 3) gagalive/deadnet must install specific settings to not allow access to chatplace by bypassing login and registration at deadnet . These can be practical answers for safety , and to complete this format , a once prior agreement that anyone using chatroom is responsable to never send bugs and viruses at users of dead.net , nonrespect of that clause leading to definite expulsion from dead.net .
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    guys
    I'm reporting this to see if there's anything we can do. I don't want to shut the chat room down, for example, so better to figure out something more reasonable. As many have noted, no, threatening people is not okay, nor is misrepresenting yourself as a Rhino employee (or anyone else) to do so.
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    that i read these posts. i have had good and bad experiences in our chatroom, recently very good things have come my way FROM the chatroom, tickets and a hotel room to be exact, so i know there are still good, loving kind folks there. we don't always hafta agree on certain subjects or topics, and there are some that i intentionally avoid discussing in there because i know we don't all have the same point of view. the one thing we DO share is love for the music. other than prayer, the music has been the one constant in my life that i can turn to when i just can't take it anymore. please, any of you that are thinking about leaving us, please, please reconsider. if we keep enough kind folk in there, and commit to not dragging others down with our personal problems (and yes, i am one of those that is guilty of doing this, not intentionally but the chat is my refuge) mebbe we can outweigh the people who don't love the site as much as we do......badger, i'm gonna miss your kind thoughts and words, hopefully you will still use the forums? i love all of you more than you know....you are my FAMILY!!!
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    Cosmic Badger KA Swan
    Using a photo or scripts from the chatroom to harm others is an awful practice/ game and should not be allowed. I was told that recently, things that I had said, in " Play " an 'Imaginative spacey conversation we were having,' was re-posted elsewhere with some important content changed, someone had changed my words, to cause a very hurtful situation ! I know that this has happened to thers as well. I agree it is slander. We love the chatroom and mostly we love sharing The Grateful Deads Music in there... It should not be a tool, used to harm and manipulate others ! play on
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    again reasons I DO NOT use chatroom
    Badger , swan , frankly you said it all . lets get rid of gagalive and make it a Dead.net MEBERS ONLY thing . I for one do not want to talk to folks who are mean and or just not like minded as we all are . I would be more then happy to come back to the chatroom .
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    I am sorry TL and Mona and
    I am sorry TL and Mona and Swan and everyone else, but I am not going near that place again until I can be more confident that i) it is reasonably secure ii) people who use it are identifiable and accountable iii) it is not being taken over by hackers iv) our conversations are not being recorded and manipulated and v) my computer is not vulnerable to attack (the consequences would be catastrophic for me) Some or all of the the claims and threats that have been made may very well be utter bullshit. I don’t know enough about computers to know, and I am not sure how these concerns can be addressed by 'toughing it out' from inside the chatroom. Still, there must be other ways to fix this. By hosting the chatroom for the registered members of the site, Deadnet must have some responsibility for its security. Especially since the main protagonist has even claimed that he is an ‘insider’ who works for Rhino!!
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So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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Submitted by c_c on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 14:36

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thanks badger, the old ears ain't what they used to, and I was pretty sure he said daughter. funny how those translators fuck things up. peace.
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Submitted by Ami on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 16:42

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and a good recommendation to NOT have any liquid of any kind in one's mouth before the dancing badgers start. I spewed all over...too funny and bizarro . Ami
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 17:53

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dancing badgers are in to football and mushrooms...wow Hey Ami it wasn't tequilia was it??? LOL Hey grdaed73 Flock you LOL!!! :) from the lucky duck flock..:)
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 18:54

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We got disco ducks, daffy ducks, lucky ducks, sitting ducks and deadhead ducks here and then there is that lame duck in the White House. With that I will duck out of here. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 19:10

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i was confuzed, u r truly THE lucky duck, however be warned there WAS a flock of riders in here awhile back, now about dancing badgers.. close cousin to the dancing bear - primary interests include football, FUNgi hunting and consumption, live music and dayglo freesbies. also sorry about your computer, ami. hopefully you were able to clean up after the badgers
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Submitted by GreenRipple on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 19:30

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There's has to be a Dead song that can be go along with those dancing badgers? I tried to a few, like Sitting On Top of the World and Shakedown, I open the floor ...
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 21:57

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So cosmicbadger, since I did live in Wisconsin for years and it is "The Badger State" and I was a badger I thought I should share these for you from you tube. I figure we are related in some way and would share these with you so you could relate to your American badger brothers. Start with 1 Univ of Wisconsin Fight Song 2. On Wisconsin then move on to cheesehead Packer stuff 1. The Cheesehead Song 2. Cheese-Head Packer Fan 3. Cheese Head Baby!!! 4. I'm A Cheesehead Baby, The Pride of Wisconsin 5. Wisconsin Wedge of Allegiance 6. Eddie Blazonczyk and the Cheeseheads After viewing these I gained a deeper understanding of my cultural heritage, my inner self and what made me who I am today. Enjoy. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 23:27

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Hadn´t read Ami's warning and had the same problem with spewing coffee-Brilliant Badgers! Now just imagine them rainbow colored and wearing tye-dies, and then we have Cosmicbadgers! If you guys agree on the most appropriate Dead song for dancing Cosmicbadgers, I will have one of the graphic design guys at work make us a visual. Have the luck of having a comic book illustrator (for an original sketch to be scanned and colored) and gifted graphic designers in house and available. A rousing match between the Cosmicbadgers and Discoducks perhaps?********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 23:27

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It is "Wedge of Allegiance" f the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 23:30

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There are currently 3 users and 55 guests online. Online users Hal R TigerLilly cosmicbadger If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 23:52

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Just search Bucky Badger and you will get lots of videos, but after this even better search Buckystein --The Half/Badger-Half/man created by Dr. Frankenstein and you will have many visual goodies., I have to make up for both ccj and GRTUD tonight If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Hal R on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 00:33

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Another YouTube goodie - he bad Honey Badger-The Most Fearless Animal on Earth If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by c_c on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 00:38

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badger, I dare you, NO, I double dare you to take a real video of yourself dancing and singing along to some dead tune with that cute little Beatle accent you got, and then post it up on youtube and then put the vid here. ( -: just an idear. peace
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 01:03

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for the Wisconsin links. It looks a bit scary up there..I am quite glad you moved away!!!
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 01:08

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Being modest (and having a lot to be modest about) I am the one partially obscured by the clump of grass
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Submitted by GRTUD on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 01:08

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Infamous Wisconsin resident, if I remember correctly. I've avoided the state for that reason alone. "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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Submitted by jesuschrist on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 01:46

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Jesus here … I have a message for all of you from beyond your realm. This is a Message from Jerry, Pigpen, Brent, Keith, and Bill. To all you who have taken this site and made it about personally attacking one another; who have made a point to forget about the music completely, who have disregarded what this web site is all about. You all have disappointed us greatly. Remember it’s about the music and what it means to each and every one of you. Stop the personal attacks against one another. There is a lot going on in this world right now. And not everyone is going to agree with each other on what should be done. The end of days is near. We need to come together and be united. No I’m not from the Chinese government. I have nothing to do with any government. Nothing we say on these forums about the world is going to change anything. Pray to who or what you believe in. At this point unless you are going to the different places or raising money to help fund these causes; all you can do is pray. So QUIT your bickering it’s time to get along and enjoy the music while we still have the freedom to listen to it. And Remember why we are here on this site in the first place!!!!
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 01:56

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I'm not sure Billy K would appreciate being prematurely deceased. I am sure your advice is well intended JC, but the last thing this happy caring funny community needs is a false prophet telling us what and what not to do.
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:02

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that we are not personally attacking each other lately-we are just having fun with dancing badgers, etc. We are just having our troubles with YOU j.c.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by jesuschrist on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:07

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AS you have all said .... Speak your own mind .... and not someone elses ...... Actually my real name is jesus christ-valdercruz .... blame my mother .... and blame yourselves for your ignorance .... be happpy and enjoy the music .....
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Submitted by GRTUD on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:14

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technically the correct term. Oh for the love of... never mind, you all know what I was going to say.Selah. Knock this shit off, CCj! ;- )
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Submitted by c_c on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:34

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someone just accused me of being this dude whose board name is Jesus in a private message. that really hurts. it ain't me.
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:37

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Oh boy my Winterland 73 box set just arrived! Hyperventilating with excitement!
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 02:49

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to send flamenco dress photos to your e mail adress, Bob, but mail came back as not being able to deliver-send me adress again and you will receive the photos!********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by jesuschrist on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 03:27

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Not Billy K .............. Bill Graham
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 03:31

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fair enough JC. Did you get a chance to talk to Vince while you were over there?
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 04:09

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Crazy Badger!********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 07:01

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I certainly do believe that people should speak their minds. I also believe that people have the right to ignore anyone they choose. And I certainly never presume to speak for others without their express and demonstrable consent. But that's just how I see it. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by Hal R on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 07:00

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GRTUD - yeah Wisconsin gave us Joseph McCarthy, but it also had a socialist mayor of Milwaukee even when I was a kid in the early 60's. Also a very strong peace movement. When I was a kid my parents took me to what was like a state historical site there which was like this old schoolhouse and a plaque there said it was where socialism was founded in the U.S. So lots of different energies going on there. The cheeseheads can get scary though. Also has Alpine Valley which was a good spot for Grateful Dead shows. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by GRTUD on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 07:07

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I'm sure Wisconsin is great. I was "doing" HST when I made the remark. I know how much you like HST (as do I) so it was a half asses tip of the hat for you, at McCarthy's expense. Sorry if I came off negative. My uncle is from Wisconsin - major Packers fan - very nice and sweet man. I'd go there but for whatever reason, I haven't yet. "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 14:56

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It's just not the same...it's hard to keep up with all the posts...waaaaa chatroom come back to us :) I miss getting kicked out too..hehe
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:00

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You were the 1st post and said .....I'm going to say something most substantive. Give me a moment please. Guess what...still waiting for it.........hehe

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Submitted by buddy plant on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:11

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I don't think I've ever said something substantive. Heck, I even had to look that word up in the thesaurus... I was bluffing, and it looks like I've been called... LOL
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:12

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Thats ok Bud anythimg you say is cool to me:) Peace

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Submitted by buddy plant on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:15

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... I say please mr.site administrator, please fix the chat room. How's that Gigi? I'll even go so far as to say 'pretty please with sugar on top'...
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:24

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with a cherry :) oh whip cream too!!!! Please!!!

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Submitted by buddy plant on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:29

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... a little of that special 'fairy dust' too... wink, wink...
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 15:31

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forget the sprinkles********* wink ;)
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Submitted by Ami on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 19:03

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after looking back on a hectic day in this pseudo-chat room, I have to say I got a night time chuckle. CB is now either the well-endowed, tho modest Badger behind the hedge, unless it's a female badger which would mean she's a badger covering her beaver and with a nod to Hal, in Wisconsin yet! maybe the 'shroom is made of cheese. Gigi, if I had spewed Mescal, where on Earth would the worm end up? Speaking of on Earth, we have an appearance by JC himself and he's predeceasing others. reminds me of the great Monty Python- well, I just buried the cat! was it dead? No, but it didn't look so good, and I knew I'd be busy later in the week, so.... hey JC, tho I'm technically Jewish and we don't really believe in a heaven (or hell for that matter) say hi to my dad. I really miss him and he's a good 4th if you need a body for a pinnocle game. I agree with others, CCJ is too funny to be JC. And I don't know about you, but I don't sense any vibe of anyone really getting on anyone else- or am I just tripping? speaking of tripping, back to the dancing badger. I think CB should make mini-vids for all the various endangered species for heightened awareness. And how does this sound for Dancin' Badger music?: (sung to the tune of wave that Flag) here's the badge hard to image high on 'shrooms danced outta the room up and down all around near the bush what a cute tush danced outta bed whatta cheesehead world's spinnin round badger's searchin for the sound wave that badger wave him wide & high up and down boy in his hole my oh my oh my oh my..... Ami