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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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July 21, 2014 - 8:33am

#1001

stillwaters

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I Love 1972

I have the Europe box set and listen to it regularly. True, the band can be faulted for playing the same songs in first set, but even then it's nice to listen songs develop through the shows. And the jams in set two are out of sight. This is why I look forward to DaP 11. What new twist will they put on the set one songs? What will they come with in set two? Peace
July 21, 2014 - 8:06am

#1002

Coconut Phil

Joined:
June 4, 2007

An alternative place to discuss the Grateful Dead & more

We have a Facebook page: Grateful Dead Society. We discuss many topics with enthusiasm. The last few days (The Band) was a great discussion. The page is free of whiners, haters, chronic complainers, and folks bringing bad vibes. Please come join us if you wish, you are welcome. We have a great network system going, we have helped each other out many times. Hope to see you there. Just request to join, and you will be added. I'm the administrator. All spammers are booted quickly. Peace
July 21, 2014 - 7:30am

#1003

hendrixfreak

Joined:
February 26, 2014

Well said, thin man

Your comment aligns with my own thoughts, in that using a full year to reference periods in the band's history and development is too broad a brush. There are pivot points, as you've identified for fall 1972, that sometimes align with specific tours, when certain songs were retired and others debuted. Or the band's evolving style stands out in relief. Sometimes those pivots are rather distinct. Then there's the point you allude to that each vault release enables one to appreciate another performance in the continuum and in context, for a fuller appreciation of the band. Case in point: when the 1990 box was just announced, I demurred. It's more the sound of the instruments and the effects that make this a period of less interest, plus my main interest in the earlier periods. But I hauled out So Many Roads for the Bird Song with Branford and decided, based on what I heard, to go for the 3-29-90 set. And I did catch a good June '92 performance in Albany and have heard at least one smokin' show from '94. So I know they still had it, on a rare but good night. Thus, whatever Dave puts out, it is done thoughtfully and I remain open to appreciating eras I otherwise might have glossed over.
July 21, 2014 - 6:45am

#1004

Thin

Joined:
June 21, 2013

late 1972

re: early/late 1972 - I posted this on the DaP10 page, but it merits review based on Clancy's comment. I'm excited for the DaP11 release despite already owning 30~ 1972 releases, because the '72 shows are clustered: No official releases between 9/27/72 and 2/26/73! That's 5 months! And in that period they completely changed gears from ragtime/bluesy rock band to jazzy rock band. Only 2~ months after this 11/17/72 DaP11 show, they burst onto the scene with two amazing jazzy originals; HC Sunshine and Eyes of the World, fully formed and mature and 10/19 minutes long respectively! This is our first official glimpse into that transition period. So in this 11/17/72 show, you have elements you have the band playing without Pig and without any of his songs (like in Sept.) which changes the energy. Plus they must have been realizing the "nothin's gonna bring him back" and wondered "what musical direction are we going to go now?" Listening to 11/19 (2 nights later), the music seems very heavy (in a good way) and thoughtful - like they are slowing it down a bit and measuring every note. It's relaxed and patient - jazzy and chill. This release will likely sound different that anything you own in '72 or '73 - it's a peak into a transition period that we haven't heard. It's interesting that with ALL the 40+ shows they have released from '72 and '73, such clusters exist - there'e a 5 month gap from 9/27/72 to 2/26/73 with no official releases until now. Then after 2/26&28/73 (DP28) there's a 6 month gap to 10/19/73! So, NOTHING from Spring/summer '73, then suddenly TEN~ shows from Fall '73. So despite releasing 40+ shows from '72-73, there are huge gaps between releases. This closes one of those gaps. Now we need some Spring/Summer '73 to close that 6 month (!) gap.
July 21, 2014 - 6:02am

#1005

PT Barnum

Joined:
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dead site taken over

Hi everyone, have not posted here in a long time. First read, seems like a lot of hate and name calling. Lots of different opinions, some good, some lame, some right on, some way off base. But it's ok to have a different opinion. I think. Boy, I hope that the negative vibes don't spill over into other threads, this is depressing. As I read several posts here, I think there is a complete misunderstanding of what is said by some, and I also think that there are some on this site that are here just to stir up trouble. Just like the lot in the late eighties and nineties. Hope the releases keep coming. I think it is a great thing that these releases are still coming out, we can always pick and choose what we like. If you don't like a release, don't buy it or listen to it or, for heaven's sake, comment about it. Love the band, don't really care for the name calling and the hate.
July 21, 2014 - 5:57am

#1006

Thin

Joined:
June 21, 2013

Simon T for President

Thank you SimonT - There's nothing more boring than someone who whines about 1) how entitled they are to blah blah show/year/era/type of release/packaging/songs, 2) how the PTB "couldn't pick a pumpkin" as someone once famously complained about Dick, 3) they should release some random show from 1986 despite the fact the show and the recording are weak simply because "I went to with my buddy and took 3 doses and it was epic, dude - EVERY GD show is amazing!!", or my favorite: 4) "this is just another example of the greedy corporate money-grabbing machine the Grateful Dead trying to siphon our money".
July 21, 2014 - 5:46am

#1007

claney

Joined:
July 20, 2007

1972 = Two Years in One

Spring:Pigpen All those Pigpen songs Keith tapes his foot to the echo pedal on the piano and leaves it there for entire Dark Stars. Not as much Donna yet Fall: No Pigpen No Pigpen songs Keith steps out more - starts using the Fender Rhodes at times, in very trippy ways. Jazz influence increases - building into '73. Donna role increases I have a five-year old girl. She never stops talking to me. I know this is a good thing, but I'm totally incapable of finishing a coherent thought. Agh. My coffee is done, so I'm going to go play with her now!
July 21, 2014 - 5:17am

#1008

claney

Joined:
July 20, 2007

fennario

Great find Fennario - I have never seen that interview with Billy before.... For some reason it warms my cockles to know that at least one of them actually listens to this stuff. Uh, I've subscribed to RS for years, but I'm belatedly realizing that the best stuff is on the RS website. "Justin Bieber and Iraq and the Drug War in the paper issue, and on the website, interviews with musicians who matter..."
July 21, 2014 - 5:16am

#1009

MilesM

Joined:
August 13, 2012

Right on

Hey Fennario ill bet Billy was talking about the other one played at the centennial hall show its almost 40 minutes long and in my opinion one of the greatest jams ever played by anybody anywhere. 72 gets so much love because it is so great. That Europe box has some of the most mind melding jams i ever heard. What the dead did in 72 was write the book on how to create music on stage in a live setting. Thats what makes it so unique It wasnt one guy soloing while the rest of the band played the same thing. It was a whole band feeding off each other creating pure art on stage. The music takes you on a journey. There would be none of these great bands like phish today if it wasnt for the dead. They were the first to do it. They started the whole damn thing.
July 21, 2014 - 5:12am

#1010

Syracuse78

Joined:
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SimonT: Well done!

SimonT: Well done!

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Merry Christmas Happy New Year!

I can't wait to hold this in my hand. Keep them coming, i am in! First box set is through the roof, sooooo well done, sound is amazing, keep the good times rollin. Jerry thank's you, i thank you. A great time to be alive.

Spring 1990 TOO

My copy arrived Downunder this afternoon (Tuesday) so glad I didn't pay extra for the express delivery. Another beautiful box, now for the music.

roos a strutting!

My big box arrived yesterday in sunny South Australia and in every which way, the total package and contents are just absolutely perfect!

Another Box Received In Australia

Thank you Dead.net A very beautiful box and I can not wait to start listening. While waiting for this I have been doing the rounds of 72-73 but this tour is my favourite. Only complaint is that the music is 'too perfect' hahaha. From Camden to Rydalmere I will be rocking these shows to and from work. Think I will start tonight though by putting 3/14 on my ipod. Thank you to all those who worked on this box set. Great job!

@mk81ting

Love Ryan Adams, and looking forward to the new album. I will try to get to my local shop today to pick up the wax.

Album art?

Does anyone know where I could find digital/.jpg versions of the "album art" for each of the individual shows in the Spring 1990 TOO box? Thanks for any help!

Box just arrived #5837

My box just now arrived at my doorstep in Tennessee. A day earlier than I expected! Box number 5,837 of 9,000.

#1244 in South East Germany

What a delight!How grateful I am! Thanks!

Ryan

Saw Ryan last night in DC for his record release show. He was in great spirits and the band sounded really tight. New stuff was pretty strong, if a bit poppy. Surprised, but I don't think he played anything pre Cold Roses/Jacksonville Nights. No covers, though people did holler out for Wharf Rat and Bird Song. Good time all around.

Yes I think wjonjd is right.

Yes I think wjonjd is right. Reading about the mixup "I know the packaging and shipping of these is probably outsourced..". I admit I buy a few CDs a month. Many come from ImportCDs. Same packaging, labeling, and return address in Shepherdsville KY as dead.net. Still waiting on a shipping notice for my TOO box.

WARNING DO NOT PAY FOR THE DOWNLOADS

I PAID 160.00 FOR THE DOWNLOADS AND THERE IS NOTHING TO DOWNLOAD. JUST EMPTY LINKS. EVENTUALLY IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOWNLOADS. CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE. THEY TOLD ME IT TAKES 7-10 DAYS FOR THE DOWNLOADS TO ARRIVE.

Spring '90 TOO Going Fast!!

Rhino moved over 1,000 units this week. That means they will all be gone in about a week from now, so please, all of you true Heads, get them now while they are still available. I don't want to see anyone miss out and I certainly do not want this site filled for weeks with folks complaining that they didn't get it and that Rhino screwed them by limiting the amount sold. Anyone who wants this (and who wouldn't?) has had plenty time to get on board. You procrastinators out there, now is the time to pull the trigger or forever be quiet. I am counting the hours until mine hits CT. this Friday.Rock on

#2861

I'm shocked that this has arrived in Canada for the release date. I'm pretty rural and don't think i've ever received an official release within 3 weeks of launch. The box is beautiful looking - can't wait to get into it. Problem is, I'm still digesting DaP 11 which only just (finally) arrived a few days ago. $23.53 duty for you other canucks out there ...

1208 is home

My copy arrived today, very happy with it. Really nice box, solid sound quality. The coin is really a nice touch. If you are still on the fence, better get it now while you can. I'm sure the second they sale out they will be on Ebay for 40% more. Great release, now please tell us about DP12. Jam on! Peace

Box 8447

I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.

Box 8447

Digital Downloads

AAC is a lossy format, comparable to high quality mp3. ALAC (Apple Lossless) is…lossless. It says AAC above, but I have read these should be Apple Lossless files. Just wanted to clarify for any confusion that might be here. Carry on….CARRY ON...

WARNING DO NOT PAY FOR THE DOWNLOADS

until the bugs are fixed...The downloads are plagued with problems.

WOW!!!

The sound is amazing! Gonna be a long, long, crazy, crazy night Silky, silky, crazy, crazy night.

the number

So where's the number at as I can't find it on mine?

The Number?

It's on the coin under the lid.

Cool

Thanks fourwinds!

No Spring 1990 (The other one) here, in Brazil!

I'd like to buy this spectacular box. I'd like to touch and smell all the things inside this box and of course listen these HDCDs, but I live in a country named Brazil. Some people in Europe don't like to pay U$50 -U$100 in import taxes and fees. It would be a dream to me pay this. Do you believe that in my country I would pay over U$240,00 only in import taxes + fees? I'm not kidding! 100%! It's our goverment....The highest taxes and no hospitals, no schools... ok some new and beatiful soccer stadiums. Does anyone know a place on earth where the import taxes and fees are so high? I have U$ 240,00 but I don't have U$ 520,00 ( 240 - box + 40 - shipping to Brazil + 240 or more from import taxes and fees). Hey you from USA, buy it! Think in my case. The price is not so high. I need to move to USA, Europe or maybe the sunny Australia. It's sad to be a Dead head in Brazil...

a prosposal for Mr. Lemieux re: downloads

I don't know how to get a suggestion to David, so I'm going to post it here and hope that someone relevant sees it. Regarding the downloads.... since most people probably don't burn their lossless downloads to CD, is it possible to have the second sets made seamless for the downloads? I understand the fade-ins and fade-outs at the end of the discs, but if the files aren't being burned to disc it would be nice to have Drums>Space seamless, instead of "Drums>Space fade-out" followed by "Drums fade-in>Space". Just a thought! Aside from that... keep doing that awesome thing that you do!

downloads

If I'm not mistaken I read they would not be ready until the end of the month...?

....nevermind

I just read my mistake.

downloads

No, you're right. I'm just asking if, when they appear, they can be in that format (if they aren't already).

downloads

I am sure you will get it , even if there is a hiccup right now. I'm one of those (have to have it just in case people) I bought the box but it will be transferred to my pc and burnt for the car or whatever. I just don't have the pc power to trust myself not losing it. I hope you get it the way you want. I know customer service must be inundated with problems right now. But they are good people.

tragedy narrowly averted!

1. We believe the technical issues with the downloads are now fixed. Please speak up if you experience an alternative reality. 2. Apple Lossless, CD quality audio are available now. The HD FLAC files will be along soon. 3. Cover art is now available on the download page. Sorry for the issues, but hope all is good now. Thanks and happy downloading!

1990

does anyone know if spring vol one downloads are going to be the 24 track or 2 track

Can I let it go?

Oh no!I told myself (and my wife) that I didn't need this box especially after I saw the price... then I heard some of the music and saw the spoiler video... Can I let it go? It's going to be a tough decision. Don't have much 1990 in the collection... But it sounds so good!

Pounce!

Jump on it man! Less than 1500 as of yesterday. Better to grab it while ya can than regret it down the road...

Lossless files

Just a note about the lossless downloads. Since the ALAC files are lossless, this means they can be easily converted to wav and flac (and back again) with zero change in sound quality. So you can create your own flacs from alac. Now, since the flacs are listed as "HD FLAC" I,m going to assume that they will probably be 24bit 96khz files as opposed to 16bit 44.1khz (cd quality) or at least something over what they are encoding for the alac files. However, (and what I'm about to discuss frequently upsets audiophiles), I urge you to google studies concerning people's ability to distinguish 24bit 96khz from 16bit 44.1khz recordings. There have been several from top universities, and their results and methodology have been extensively scrutinized. These are all scientifically designed studies, some using surprisingly large sample sizes. Most of these studies are fairly similar to each other. Double blind - no one participating in each listening session knows at the time which recordings are hd (24) or sd (16). They used multiple audio systems ranging from top end systems and speakers designed by audiophiles, down to basic systems. They used professional headphones down to basic equipment. They chose many different types of music. They checked to make sure that hd recordings were from the same source/mix as the sd recordings. That is frequently not the case, by the way, and is one reason many people are sure they can tell the difference. They usually chose large numbers of participants who self identify as audiophiles or not, musicians or not, a large range of ages, backgrounds, etc. The results of all studies recognized as scientific (that I am aware of) have been basically the same. The rate at which each user can correctly pick which recordings are sd or hd is about 50%. A coin toss. Audiophiles fared no better than others, with highest percentages being around 52%, and some studies then when back to people like that and found that the more music samples they tried the closer the success rate approaches 50%. Some of the write ups go into great detail into methodology of the studies, and if you read them you will begin to see how hard it is to try to duplicate doing tests like this at home (although it can be done). Some of the things that can bias results are NOT obvious. Many will always disagree, but so far as I know NO study has found ANYONE, who can, under their controlled environment, distinguish 16 bit recordings from 24 bit recordings from the same source at anything significantly over 50% (same as guessing). Btw, this doesn't mean things like SACD don't sound better than their cd counterparts. But they use more playback tracks than stereo (like 5.1), are almost always special mixes, etc. it's not apples to apples, and these studies indicate the great improvement is not due to just the difference between 24 bit and 16 bit or 96khz and 44.1khz. Just something to think about before you spend extra for hd when the source is identical.

Studies flawed

If they would have had them listen to 24/96 flies on a good system for a period of say a week or so and then switched back to 16/44 files then I think they would have heard a difference.

HD FLAC

Now what we need is Fillmore West '69 and Europe '72 available in HD FLAC.

#763 / 9000

THIS is the box set. I have everything the band has ever put out...This outdoes the original 1990 box set for sound and it out does it for quality of the box set. I LOVE THE TIGER COIN IN THE COVER! OMG! It nearly brought tears to my eyes.... Jerry would have loved this. He really would have. Listening to disc 1, song 1 as I type... *sigh* can't wait til I get to the shows I was at. This is so nice. THANK YOU DAVE LEMIEUX.

Seven come eleven, boys!

#711 has arrived in Denmark. Really cool number, just like #710 would have been. Anybody here got that?This box is a work of art, and I've not even started listening yet. Thank you, David & Rhino!

Here's an idea

Since Spring 1990 (The Other One) is now available digitally, why not do what you did for the Europe '72 box set and offer the shows individually as well? Not every Head has that sort of spare change lying around, and it would be nice to have the opportunity to hear more of this truly great era. Anyway, I went out and picked up Wake Up To Find Out as a consolation prize (but what a prize!), and am not interested in paying for a show I already own. Anyone else out there think this is a good idea?

#352 Arrived in Chicago Yesterday

It's real and it's spectacular. The box looks and sounds amazing.

FLAC in WMP

As stated in the digital download FAQs, FLAC files cannot be played in Windows Media Player. However, there is a plug-in which makes this possible, namely "Directshow Filters for Ogg Vorbis, Speex, Theora, FLAC, and WebM" from Xiph.org. The file (opencodecs_0.85.17777.exe) can be found here: http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

Smiling ...

... in Leeds, UK.

Shipping notice here...

....Spring TOO should arrive Saturday. Oh, happy day....

Studies flawed

@fourwindsblow - That may be. And it may not. Before sticking to your opinion on this go ahead and look up the studies that have been done on this, read them thoroughly, and see if you change your mind. Because in order for what you say to be true all of the studies would have to be flawed in just such a way to create the 50% success rate they all get. See what you think after you read them. Or don't. It's not my money. And, even if someone can't hear a difference, if they think they can and they're happier, that's fine too. You say things like "on a good system." Have you looked at what they used. Most of them didn't just use a "good system". The very purposely used severly "excellent systems" AND several "very good" systems AND several "basic" systems, etc. That's the whole point behind a truly scientific study. Address all known variables that might bias results. Not just the "sound system", but the people (audiophile, musician, other), ages (teenagers with young years, twenties, thirties, etc.), listening environment, kinds of music, and even factors that wouldn't necessarily seem relevent like educational background. They make as sure as possible that something as simple as "as is the system good enough" doesn't affect the ability of the study to be able to answer the question they are studying - can people hear the difference between A and B. Anyway, as long as people are happy it doesn't really matter.

just got it

wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days

just got it

wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days

HD Versions of Spring 1990 TOO

For what it's worth, whether you believe in the superior quality of high-definition recordings or not, HD-Tracks is advertising digital downloads of Wake Up to Find Out: Nassau Colisuem: Uniondale, NY 3-29-1990 at both 96/24 ($40.98) and 192/24 ($53.98) sampling rates. Presumably, it's available now for download. http://www.hdtracks.com/wake-up-to-find-out-nassau-coliseum-uniondale-n… It will be interesting to see if the rest of the set is listed at these higher rates.

24bit 96khz vs 16bit 44.1khz

I'm curious if this experiment were performed with a recording of a piece of music the listener was very familiar with. Could they pick up any nuances between the 16 bit and 24 bit versions? I have not read the study, so I don't know that info. But if one listens to a piece of music that person may not intimately know, I think the brain will be absorbing the composition as a whole, so it might not pick up the nuances between 16 bit and 24 bit.

Studies

What I was saying was have them listen to 24/96 files for a little while before doing the A/B tests.

@ Fourwindsblow - I agree

I'm in agreement. I was just curious if I could tell the difference with some of my "reference CDs": Darkside of the Moon, Aja, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Revolver, DP3, DaP5, Orig LedZep Box, Babylon by Bus on really good audio gear. With that said, as I wait patiently for S90TOO (Friday delivery), I've autoripped the amazon mp3 of Wake Up set that I bought for my buddy's birthday in a couple of weeks and it sounds awesome on the office stereo - can't wait to crank it up from the boxset in HDCD on the big boy stereo! Since I only have a better than average stereo (far from an audiophile rig found on audiogon), I don't think I could tell a difference.

High Def again

I'm pretty sure that Dark Side of the Moon is one of the ones that had a complete remix/remaster than the CD. Here is a link that shows and describes the differences in the mastering of the CD and the SACD of DSM. When you are done reading it you will see than anybody would probably be able to tell the differenced between them, even if they had both been put out in 16/44.1 http://www.stereophile.com/news/11649/ You really need to read the studies to begin to realize how much went into trying to find out whether the human ear can detect those differences. The people looking had no agenda other than trying to answer the question. It can't be too much of a coincidence that all the academic studies come up with the same results.

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