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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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July 20, 2014 - 6:11pm

#1021

rrot

Joined:
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GD & Rhino

They have made some pretty good choices in Latvala and Lemieux. As far as I can see, both Dick and Dave were/are as informed as anyone could want about the Dead's performance history. But equally important, they were/are both very interested in What Other People Think. Dick definitely was open to learning more from anyone -- and if you go back and look at the comments of his that people quote about this or that show, in their complete context (he published basically a laundry list of shows with his comments in a few big blasts), you'll see that he was constantly asking "show me" "what do you folks think?" etc. We know he peeked in at dead.net forums and sometimes posted. Dave L is in some ways very similar. He says he doesn't look in at any of the goings-on here (who could blame him!), but you could easily email him and ask about anything, like what he thought about releasing something from the Spring '87 Hartford Civic Center or Worcester, MA runs? And I'm sure he'd have a thoughtful reply, based on knowing the performances, what other venues had hot shows in that time period, and what was actually in the vault (we did hear the 3/26/87 He's Gone in 2010's 30 Days of Dead...). I don't at all believe that Dave is biased against particular eras. He's got a 20-70 minute radio show every day of the week, where he plays something from the approximate calendar date. Anyone who's listened to that show over any length of time will tell you that Lemieux plays music from, and seems excited about, every facet of the band's career. Looking at Dave's Pick's early days also seems a lot like Dick's Picks early days. There were complaints about every single one of the early Dick's Picks: not whole shows, significant audio shortcomings, too well-known &/or not enough of an "upgrade" over what already circulated, etc. (Naturally, 99% of folks who own those picks today wouldn't want to give them up!) But none of the early Dick's (or Dave's) picks got the drubbing of Dick's 6, ironically from a time period that would now be greeted with joy, or at least relief, from all quarters: the mid-80s. Meanwhile, the actual situation with releases in audio and video, is quite literally an embarrassment of riches. Who the %^&! would've believed, 5 years ago, that we'd soon see the entire Spring 1972 AND Spring 1990 tours released? And that there'd be f^&#(ng VENETA in our living rooms??! Shit, even if you don't especially love every bit of one (or the other) (or all), you can at least be happy that it means those particular silver mines are sealed! Now on to other rich veins!!! Hold on people, we are getting where we are going faster than we ever believed.
July 20, 2014 - 6:05pm

#1022

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

The only way I would be upset....

....with a new release, was if was a re-release of an already official release. There, that should settle it......
July 20, 2014 - 6:03pm

#1023

mbarilla

Joined:
August 8, 2013

Now that 1972 and 1990 has been put to bed for a while,

Bring on the 1983 or 1984 show !!! I would be very pleased to hear a top of the line show in great audio remastered from the hands of Norman and picked by Dave from either of those years. I may not get my wish for those two years, but I do think 9-18-87 is coming very soon. For the community to quench their thirst for more 80's. I also anticipate another release for Black Friday, hopefully in both formats (vinyl and CD.) RSD is like an early Christmas for me. Norman should have plenty of time to work on those 1971 tapes that were returned, since it was revealed the Spring 90' project was finished in May. I Would love to know what they got their hands on. Anybody with any info about Hawaii June 1970 ?? I mentioned before and know Dave has got something from June 12, 1970. I am pumped for any release, so keep em coming for those who are responsible. All good things in All good time. So many roads to ease my soul, so many roads to tease my soul.
July 20, 2014 - 5:59pm

#1024

MilesM

Joined:
August 13, 2012

??

Man there some mad anger goin on on this site today. All i know is that if i dont like something being released um i just dont buy it. I dont go on some internet site and lash out on the band and there affiliates because they didnt cater to my every need. Relax and respect the dead
July 20, 2014 - 5:46pm

#1025

dantian

Joined:
August 6, 2013

PatagoniaFox

re: Rhino, band member's input, integrity, etc. "All four Dead members and Garcia's estate have to approve new entries... "Hart did not preview the remastered concerts. "I don't listen to the [old] music, because it's kind of like eating the same meal, and all I hear is the mistakes," he says. Like the other members, he's far too busy concentrating on making new music to focus on the past. That's what they have Pinkus for. "I go to sleep at night and know our legacy is not being plundered by some evil corporation," Hart says. "It doesn't make me cringe, and I think they're doing good business, as opposed to being evildoers." http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-grateful-dead-20110908…
July 20, 2014 - 5:30pm

#1026

cowhead

Joined:
March 18, 2008

to each their own

Im excited, for both the Daves Picks and the Spring 90 too box set, 1972 may not have been my first pick, but I'm not the picker and was 1972 bad, definitely not. Im just happy that someone is still taking all the time to remaster recordings, put together awesome art, and then sell it to us. If I was so picky that I only wanted releases from a few years of the Deads career I'd go on archive and suck up whatever sound quality was there just so I could here the years I want. So I think i like every year right up to the last show in 1995. I don't see any reason to disrespect people that are excited for the releases that are coming out, or to be mean to the people who don't like the releases.
July 20, 2014 - 5:27pm

#1027

dantian

Joined:
August 6, 2013

PatagonianFox

why not more 80's... DL: We just don't have outstanding quality tapes of every year. When we do, we don't necessarily have more than maybe two to five great tapes of a certain year. Whereas 77, we have two-thirds of the year in outstanding, really good quality. 73, 74, we've got 90% of both of those years in great quality. In addition to having great quality performances and really unique shows every night, we've also got these amazing tapes. We do try to bounce around a fair amount. We do pay attention. We do have this 89 DVD and soundtrack [coming out]. We do have this big box set (_Beyond Description_) that was 73 to 89 that was very heavy on 80 to 89 on the bonus material that went on Dead Set and Reckoning and Go to Heaven. We consciously looked at that and did the 66 thing. We're hoping to do some 69 later this year, something substantial. We did an 82 Dick's Picks quite recently. We don't group the 80s Dick's Picks together too much because we just don't have great tapes of a lot of em. But we do have a lot of good multi-track from 89, 90, so we consider that to be very much 80s releases, whether their Dick's Picks or not. We've got Nightfall of Diamonds. We’ve got Go to Nassau out. We do try to get out a good representation, but I agree that it's definitely weighted towards the 70s but it's twofold, based on performance, first of all, and the kind of tapes we have. JPG: I’m just surprised that the 80s don’t have good quality tapes. DL: Well, they're mostly PA tapes. A PA tape is a board tape that's exactly what came out of the PA, that mix. If the hall didn't sound good, the PA didn't sound good. Whereas a Betty Board or something "Kid" [Candelario] recorded or Rex [Jackson] or any of those people in the 70s, those tapes were actually mixed by somebody offstage specifically mixed to tape. Those were mixed in order to be specifically listened to by somebody dedicated to mixing a proper tape as opposed to a guy, Dan Healy, whose main job is to make it sound good for 20,000 people. As a side note of that, he hits record on a cassette deck. So, you're getting a cassette tape of a PA mix vs. a reel-to-reel of a properly mixed tape by a professional recording engineer. That's why something like Alpine sounds as it does, which sounds fine, but it doesn't have the fullness of the stature of a Betty Board from 77. You listen to Dick’s Picks 29, (5/19/77, Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA and 5/21/77, Lakeland Civic Arena, Lakeland, FL) versus an 80s cassette board. It's like a professionally mixed album versus a good quality PA tape. It really is largely weighed on that. If we had Betty Boards, if we had reel-to-reel properly recorded tapes of every show in the 80s, believe me, we would be seeing a lot more 80s releases, equal amount as there is from the 70s. JPG: Yeah, the 80s. Makes me think of the Brent Mydland era. I’m a big fan. DL: Me too. http://www.jambands.com/features/2005/07/09/truckin-up-to-buffalo-part-…
July 20, 2014 - 5:09pm

#1028

claney

Joined:
July 20, 2007

Thanks Ace!

Thanks Ace, I feel the same way... (it's the way I felt for Spacebro when the Spring 90 TOO box was announced - like "yeay for Spacebro") Bluekind - first - welcome to the site! I think you're saying that my reply to Unkle Sam (a long time poster whose opinions I respect) was exemplifying "mobbishness." Since you are new and don't have the context of my earlier posts, I might explain that my favorite eras are 1968, 1971-77, 1979-85, and 1988 (pre-midi). So, I don't feel like I'm part of some 70s mob or something. And in fact I've often called for / hoped for a relase from 1983-84 especially . My point to Unkle Sam was regarding one statement, that because it took this long to release Wichita, it must not be good. I did not attack him personally, and the lame little smiley face was just to try to make that even more clear. I was, however, trying to find a pithy way of commenting on the need to label one show "Good" and another "bad" - when it seems to me that we're talking about two very good shows, and whether one LIKES them is subjective. So my point remains, with what I hope is respect and a spirit of non-agressiveness - if Wichita is bad because it is released now, doesn't that mean a show released after it is worse? (I'm NOT saying 3/29 is worse, I'm saying that the above logic would dictate that). Wouldn't it mean that Dick's Picks 1 was the best, and every release since is a little worse? I believe it is okay for us to debate points of logic about the music, is it not? Anyway, peace - and welcome (seriously, no sarcasm - that's why I tend to rely on the dumb smileys)
July 20, 2014 - 3:17pm

#1029

Triad

Joined:
November 3, 2013

I'm still happy...

This is the only band in the universe where 20 years after they ended we could get new releases. quit the bitching. any dead is good dead...
July 20, 2014 - 3:13pm

#1030

PatagonianFox

Joined:
October 25, 2011

wow! sarcasm!

no record contract is one sentence long. if the grateful dead have surrendered all control to rhino then they obviously don't care. if they still have some input as to what is released, and they choose not to release anything from the '80s then they should probably explain why. if its truly a matter of money then they are sellouts. i have nothing against capitalism. i like money too, but at some point it can't be your primary objective if you value your integrity.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Merry Christmas Happy New Year!

I can't wait to hold this in my hand. Keep them coming, i am in! First box set is through the roof, sooooo well done, sound is amazing, keep the good times rollin. Jerry thank's you, i thank you. A great time to be alive.

Spring 1990 TOO

My copy arrived Downunder this afternoon (Tuesday) so glad I didn't pay extra for the express delivery. Another beautiful box, now for the music.

roos a strutting!

My big box arrived yesterday in sunny South Australia and in every which way, the total package and contents are just absolutely perfect!

Another Box Received In Australia

Thank you Dead.net A very beautiful box and I can not wait to start listening. While waiting for this I have been doing the rounds of 72-73 but this tour is my favourite. Only complaint is that the music is 'too perfect' hahaha. From Camden to Rydalmere I will be rocking these shows to and from work. Think I will start tonight though by putting 3/14 on my ipod. Thank you to all those who worked on this box set. Great job!

@mk81ting

Love Ryan Adams, and looking forward to the new album. I will try to get to my local shop today to pick up the wax.

Album art?

Does anyone know where I could find digital/.jpg versions of the "album art" for each of the individual shows in the Spring 1990 TOO box? Thanks for any help!

Box just arrived #5837

My box just now arrived at my doorstep in Tennessee. A day earlier than I expected! Box number 5,837 of 9,000.

#1244 in South East Germany

What a delight!How grateful I am! Thanks!

Ryan

Saw Ryan last night in DC for his record release show. He was in great spirits and the band sounded really tight. New stuff was pretty strong, if a bit poppy. Surprised, but I don't think he played anything pre Cold Roses/Jacksonville Nights. No covers, though people did holler out for Wharf Rat and Bird Song. Good time all around.

Yes I think wjonjd is right.

Yes I think wjonjd is right. Reading about the mixup "I know the packaging and shipping of these is probably outsourced..". I admit I buy a few CDs a month. Many come from ImportCDs. Same packaging, labeling, and return address in Shepherdsville KY as dead.net. Still waiting on a shipping notice for my TOO box.

WARNING DO NOT PAY FOR THE DOWNLOADS

I PAID 160.00 FOR THE DOWNLOADS AND THERE IS NOTHING TO DOWNLOAD. JUST EMPTY LINKS. EVENTUALLY IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOWNLOADS. CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE. THEY TOLD ME IT TAKES 7-10 DAYS FOR THE DOWNLOADS TO ARRIVE.

Spring '90 TOO Going Fast!!

Rhino moved over 1,000 units this week. That means they will all be gone in about a week from now, so please, all of you true Heads, get them now while they are still available. I don't want to see anyone miss out and I certainly do not want this site filled for weeks with folks complaining that they didn't get it and that Rhino screwed them by limiting the amount sold. Anyone who wants this (and who wouldn't?) has had plenty time to get on board. You procrastinators out there, now is the time to pull the trigger or forever be quiet. I am counting the hours until mine hits CT. this Friday.Rock on

#2861

I'm shocked that this has arrived in Canada for the release date. I'm pretty rural and don't think i've ever received an official release within 3 weeks of launch. The box is beautiful looking - can't wait to get into it. Problem is, I'm still digesting DaP 11 which only just (finally) arrived a few days ago. $23.53 duty for you other canucks out there ...

1208 is home

My copy arrived today, very happy with it. Really nice box, solid sound quality. The coin is really a nice touch. If you are still on the fence, better get it now while you can. I'm sure the second they sale out they will be on Ebay for 40% more. Great release, now please tell us about DP12. Jam on! Peace

Box 8447

I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.

Box 8447

Digital Downloads

AAC is a lossy format, comparable to high quality mp3. ALAC (Apple Lossless) is…lossless. It says AAC above, but I have read these should be Apple Lossless files. Just wanted to clarify for any confusion that might be here. Carry on….CARRY ON...

WARNING DO NOT PAY FOR THE DOWNLOADS

until the bugs are fixed...The downloads are plagued with problems.

WOW!!!

The sound is amazing! Gonna be a long, long, crazy, crazy night Silky, silky, crazy, crazy night.

the number

So where's the number at as I can't find it on mine?

The Number?

It's on the coin under the lid.

Cool

Thanks fourwinds!

No Spring 1990 (The other one) here, in Brazil!

I'd like to buy this spectacular box. I'd like to touch and smell all the things inside this box and of course listen these HDCDs, but I live in a country named Brazil. Some people in Europe don't like to pay U$50 -U$100 in import taxes and fees. It would be a dream to me pay this. Do you believe that in my country I would pay over U$240,00 only in import taxes + fees? I'm not kidding! 100%! It's our goverment....The highest taxes and no hospitals, no schools... ok some new and beatiful soccer stadiums. Does anyone know a place on earth where the import taxes and fees are so high? I have U$ 240,00 but I don't have U$ 520,00 ( 240 - box + 40 - shipping to Brazil + 240 or more from import taxes and fees). Hey you from USA, buy it! Think in my case. The price is not so high. I need to move to USA, Europe or maybe the sunny Australia. It's sad to be a Dead head in Brazil...

a prosposal for Mr. Lemieux re: downloads

I don't know how to get a suggestion to David, so I'm going to post it here and hope that someone relevant sees it. Regarding the downloads.... since most people probably don't burn their lossless downloads to CD, is it possible to have the second sets made seamless for the downloads? I understand the fade-ins and fade-outs at the end of the discs, but if the files aren't being burned to disc it would be nice to have Drums>Space seamless, instead of "Drums>Space fade-out" followed by "Drums fade-in>Space". Just a thought! Aside from that... keep doing that awesome thing that you do!

downloads

If I'm not mistaken I read they would not be ready until the end of the month...?

....nevermind

I just read my mistake.

downloads

No, you're right. I'm just asking if, when they appear, they can be in that format (if they aren't already).

downloads

I am sure you will get it , even if there is a hiccup right now. I'm one of those (have to have it just in case people) I bought the box but it will be transferred to my pc and burnt for the car or whatever. I just don't have the pc power to trust myself not losing it. I hope you get it the way you want. I know customer service must be inundated with problems right now. But they are good people.

tragedy narrowly averted!

1. We believe the technical issues with the downloads are now fixed. Please speak up if you experience an alternative reality. 2. Apple Lossless, CD quality audio are available now. The HD FLAC files will be along soon. 3. Cover art is now available on the download page. Sorry for the issues, but hope all is good now. Thanks and happy downloading!

1990

does anyone know if spring vol one downloads are going to be the 24 track or 2 track

Can I let it go?

Oh no!I told myself (and my wife) that I didn't need this box especially after I saw the price... then I heard some of the music and saw the spoiler video... Can I let it go? It's going to be a tough decision. Don't have much 1990 in the collection... But it sounds so good!

Pounce!

Jump on it man! Less than 1500 as of yesterday. Better to grab it while ya can than regret it down the road...

Lossless files

Just a note about the lossless downloads. Since the ALAC files are lossless, this means they can be easily converted to wav and flac (and back again) with zero change in sound quality. So you can create your own flacs from alac. Now, since the flacs are listed as "HD FLAC" I,m going to assume that they will probably be 24bit 96khz files as opposed to 16bit 44.1khz (cd quality) or at least something over what they are encoding for the alac files. However, (and what I'm about to discuss frequently upsets audiophiles), I urge you to google studies concerning people's ability to distinguish 24bit 96khz from 16bit 44.1khz recordings. There have been several from top universities, and their results and methodology have been extensively scrutinized. These are all scientifically designed studies, some using surprisingly large sample sizes. Most of these studies are fairly similar to each other. Double blind - no one participating in each listening session knows at the time which recordings are hd (24) or sd (16). They used multiple audio systems ranging from top end systems and speakers designed by audiophiles, down to basic systems. They used professional headphones down to basic equipment. They chose many different types of music. They checked to make sure that hd recordings were from the same source/mix as the sd recordings. That is frequently not the case, by the way, and is one reason many people are sure they can tell the difference. They usually chose large numbers of participants who self identify as audiophiles or not, musicians or not, a large range of ages, backgrounds, etc. The results of all studies recognized as scientific (that I am aware of) have been basically the same. The rate at which each user can correctly pick which recordings are sd or hd is about 50%. A coin toss. Audiophiles fared no better than others, with highest percentages being around 52%, and some studies then when back to people like that and found that the more music samples they tried the closer the success rate approaches 50%. Some of the write ups go into great detail into methodology of the studies, and if you read them you will begin to see how hard it is to try to duplicate doing tests like this at home (although it can be done). Some of the things that can bias results are NOT obvious. Many will always disagree, but so far as I know NO study has found ANYONE, who can, under their controlled environment, distinguish 16 bit recordings from 24 bit recordings from the same source at anything significantly over 50% (same as guessing). Btw, this doesn't mean things like SACD don't sound better than their cd counterparts. But they use more playback tracks than stereo (like 5.1), are almost always special mixes, etc. it's not apples to apples, and these studies indicate the great improvement is not due to just the difference between 24 bit and 16 bit or 96khz and 44.1khz. Just something to think about before you spend extra for hd when the source is identical.

Studies flawed

If they would have had them listen to 24/96 flies on a good system for a period of say a week or so and then switched back to 16/44 files then I think they would have heard a difference.

HD FLAC

Now what we need is Fillmore West '69 and Europe '72 available in HD FLAC.

#763 / 9000

THIS is the box set. I have everything the band has ever put out...This outdoes the original 1990 box set for sound and it out does it for quality of the box set. I LOVE THE TIGER COIN IN THE COVER! OMG! It nearly brought tears to my eyes.... Jerry would have loved this. He really would have. Listening to disc 1, song 1 as I type... *sigh* can't wait til I get to the shows I was at. This is so nice. THANK YOU DAVE LEMIEUX.

Seven come eleven, boys!

#711 has arrived in Denmark. Really cool number, just like #710 would have been. Anybody here got that?This box is a work of art, and I've not even started listening yet. Thank you, David & Rhino!

Here's an idea

Since Spring 1990 (The Other One) is now available digitally, why not do what you did for the Europe '72 box set and offer the shows individually as well? Not every Head has that sort of spare change lying around, and it would be nice to have the opportunity to hear more of this truly great era. Anyway, I went out and picked up Wake Up To Find Out as a consolation prize (but what a prize!), and am not interested in paying for a show I already own. Anyone else out there think this is a good idea?

#352 Arrived in Chicago Yesterday

It's real and it's spectacular. The box looks and sounds amazing.

FLAC in WMP

As stated in the digital download FAQs, FLAC files cannot be played in Windows Media Player. However, there is a plug-in which makes this possible, namely "Directshow Filters for Ogg Vorbis, Speex, Theora, FLAC, and WebM" from Xiph.org. The file (opencodecs_0.85.17777.exe) can be found here: http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

Smiling ...

... in Leeds, UK.

Shipping notice here...

....Spring TOO should arrive Saturday. Oh, happy day....

Studies flawed

@fourwindsblow - That may be. And it may not. Before sticking to your opinion on this go ahead and look up the studies that have been done on this, read them thoroughly, and see if you change your mind. Because in order for what you say to be true all of the studies would have to be flawed in just such a way to create the 50% success rate they all get. See what you think after you read them. Or don't. It's not my money. And, even if someone can't hear a difference, if they think they can and they're happier, that's fine too. You say things like "on a good system." Have you looked at what they used. Most of them didn't just use a "good system". The very purposely used severly "excellent systems" AND several "very good" systems AND several "basic" systems, etc. That's the whole point behind a truly scientific study. Address all known variables that might bias results. Not just the "sound system", but the people (audiophile, musician, other), ages (teenagers with young years, twenties, thirties, etc.), listening environment, kinds of music, and even factors that wouldn't necessarily seem relevent like educational background. They make as sure as possible that something as simple as "as is the system good enough" doesn't affect the ability of the study to be able to answer the question they are studying - can people hear the difference between A and B. Anyway, as long as people are happy it doesn't really matter.

just got it

wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days

just got it

wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days

HD Versions of Spring 1990 TOO

For what it's worth, whether you believe in the superior quality of high-definition recordings or not, HD-Tracks is advertising digital downloads of Wake Up to Find Out: Nassau Colisuem: Uniondale, NY 3-29-1990 at both 96/24 ($40.98) and 192/24 ($53.98) sampling rates. Presumably, it's available now for download. http://www.hdtracks.com/wake-up-to-find-out-nassau-coliseum-uniondale-n… It will be interesting to see if the rest of the set is listed at these higher rates.

24bit 96khz vs 16bit 44.1khz

I'm curious if this experiment were performed with a recording of a piece of music the listener was very familiar with. Could they pick up any nuances between the 16 bit and 24 bit versions? I have not read the study, so I don't know that info. But if one listens to a piece of music that person may not intimately know, I think the brain will be absorbing the composition as a whole, so it might not pick up the nuances between 16 bit and 24 bit.

Studies

What I was saying was have them listen to 24/96 files for a little while before doing the A/B tests.

@ Fourwindsblow - I agree

I'm in agreement. I was just curious if I could tell the difference with some of my "reference CDs": Darkside of the Moon, Aja, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Revolver, DP3, DaP5, Orig LedZep Box, Babylon by Bus on really good audio gear. With that said, as I wait patiently for S90TOO (Friday delivery), I've autoripped the amazon mp3 of Wake Up set that I bought for my buddy's birthday in a couple of weeks and it sounds awesome on the office stereo - can't wait to crank it up from the boxset in HDCD on the big boy stereo! Since I only have a better than average stereo (far from an audiophile rig found on audiogon), I don't think I could tell a difference.

High Def again

I'm pretty sure that Dark Side of the Moon is one of the ones that had a complete remix/remaster than the CD. Here is a link that shows and describes the differences in the mastering of the CD and the SACD of DSM. When you are done reading it you will see than anybody would probably be able to tell the differenced between them, even if they had both been put out in 16/44.1 http://www.stereophile.com/news/11649/ You really need to read the studies to begin to realize how much went into trying to find out whether the human ear can detect those differences. The people looking had no agenda other than trying to answer the question. It can't be too much of a coincidence that all the academic studies come up with the same results.

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