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  • Kate_C.
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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    RE: NYE '69

    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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  • DaveStrang
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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD…

    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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Whats shakin guys,Just curious, what ever happened to the grateful dead almanac?I havent received one of those since 2002, I used to love the artwork in the centerfold (with lyrics) Phatmoye
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I brought this up in the "Announcements" section but there was alot of "other stuff" going on there and it was maybe over looked. I grew up in Inglewood - saw my first rock show at the Forum, a group called Cream - also saw the Jefferson AIRPLANE (NOT Starship...), Jimi (twice), the Stones, Dylan, C.S.N. & Y., C.C.R. & the Grateful Dead (6 times) - ALL at the Forum. Many fond memories. My son is 16 and has not been to any shows of any kind yet. A while back he said he was mad at me because, through me, the Grateful Dead have become his favorite band, and he will never be able to see them. Now, because of this tour, he will be able to see the closest thing this side of that "big show in the sky". I have 2 ticket for the 9th and am very happy - BUT I just learned from a co-worker about the Stagehand Union strike at the Forum.See - http://www.ia33.org/action/la_forum.htm and/or http://www.justiceattheforum.com/ Neil Young canceled his show rather than cross the picket line. We have had some grocery store stickes as my boy has been growing up and we never cross the line.I hope someone is looking into this. I'm not trying to be negative. I am so glad that they are playing at the inauguration of the man I voted for. "Lotta poor man got to walk the line Just to pay his union dues" -Peace-
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Cought some "typos" after I posted - ah well.Also, meant to say that I hope this isn't the wrong place to bring this up. Lots of time before the show - hopefully all will work out well. Peace out...
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I've got other questions for you, but ill just inbox you.you are truly awsome!!! Phatmoye
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and 1in10000, I've passed your concern along in hopes it will reach the appropriate person. Thanks for asking.
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I get the feeling that the strike will not end soon. My vote would be for a change of venue.
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Has anyone heard or know anything about marajuana being legalised now that Obamas president?Return feedback Phatmoye
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I second that request. Any info on job touring would be greatly appriciated.PM me or E-mail as wellPhatmoye
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anyone know where i can find a picture of the side that quotes St Stephen ("Been here so long....") I've only ever seen it in the official book for deadheads. i would really like to get a nice large print to frame and put above my mantle (don't steal my awesome idea). Author? contact? anything? Brendo
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I was wondering if dead.net was the only place to get tickets come friday or if i have to go thru ticketmaster or another site. If i could get an answer on this soon it would be great just wanna be ready i waited online 4an hour and a half during presale and got booted from the site when i had my tickets in the cart and went to check out. any answer or feedback on this would be wonderful much love and respect for all dead heads everwhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey there. How do I get information on getting a vendors booth or booth share at the concerts? Also, who do I contact about products for the store?
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Just an FYI - when I click the contact link - it takes me to the Terms of Service page.
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What ever happened to the little kid on the wonder years? (Fred sumthin??)Phatmoye
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seems as if he may be directing some series. Cuz my kids were watching one for kids, and credits said the director is Fred Savage-and think that is that kid.********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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He's directed a bunch of episodic television, mostly on Disney Channel. He was nominated for a film directing award too: the 28th Golden Raspberry for Worst Director for "Daddy Day Camp" He's no Opie Cunningham. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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My login showing in bottom L corner of chat box and list as floydgernie_dupe_xxx not too internet savy ???
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Where will my answer appear? Guess I will find out...sorry for the ignorance factor
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there has been some work on the servers happening behind the scenes, and it has periodically caused things to go a bit wacky. Generally it goes away on its own, but if the problem persists do speak up. (This also applies to the epidemic of duplicate posts and overenthusiasm of the spam filter, for which I do apologize.)
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I ordered for Greensboro during the presale - it said 2 day UPS. I still havent received them. Is there anywhere to track your order? thanks for any info - I'm Grateful Ripple in still water Where there is no pebble tossed Nor winds to blow
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Has anybody read phils book 'searching for the sound'? Just found out about it, gonna borrow it off my head Jay, he says its pretty good. Phatmoye
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it is at the bottom of the pull down screen at the top of the page, where it says somethinglike "filter" pull down to the bottom listing "widget" cheap thrills on a sturday morning
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top of page " recent posts" filter by type where it says "venue" pull down to the bottom where it says "widget" whats a widget weigh?
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PHATMOYE-Whats up-bro?Yeah,I just got that book from the library-its a really good book-Phil gets a little too technical w/some of the music stuff-but thats what musical geniuses do! Got 3 other good books at the lie-berry also:DARK STAR-THE JERRY GARCIA STORY----GRATEFUL DEAD-ANONATED LYRICS----GARCIA-ROLLING STONE TRIBUTE--♪♪♪♪♪peace♪♪♪♪♪
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Hey wings, what I heard was that they would be sent out about 2 weeks before the show dates, so hoping to get mine for greensboro about end of March or a bit earlier, said that they would send a trackin' # when they sent out the tix. so expect them in about 2 months. :) hope this helps. peace
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Does anyone know the status of the pre sale tickets? The tickets I ordered from ticketmaster on the regular sale date have arrived but I have yet to see any from the pre sale. Does anyone know whats going on? Thanks...Rocketron
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but I'll see what I can find out.
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Here's what I received in the body of my confirmation email: "By choosing UPS 2nd Day Air or UPS Worldwide Express, it does NOT necessarily mean that your tickets will arrive two days after processing your order. Tickets will be shipped approximately two weeks before the event date; however they might be shipped earlier. If you have not received your tickets within one week of the event date, please email deadtickets@musicotoday.com immediately and we will happily assist you."
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I have been trying to access this site for months, but the site continues to announce that it will be back at a future date. I apologize for bothering people with this question if the answer is obvious, but I am completely curious about it as the site has been down since well before Christmas. Thanks!
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and my understanding of the byzantine legal ramifications is that Dead.net has nothing to do with it. Much as I personally would love to have it here, I don't know what the deal is either.
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...I want to make a "documentary" style short-film for my local public access television station in Bellows Falls and was wondering who I contact about possibly filming in the lots for some of the spring tour shows and about using the name "Grateful Dead" in a non-profit public access film... please email me at dagan_22@yahoo.com with any information you have thanks.
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it is in Bellows Falls, Vermont. sorry I did not include that...
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Thanks for the info marye. I guess it's just as simple as people having different opinions about who gets what and who owns what. I guess I'm glad I've been able to track down all of the Pure Jerry releases from other sources. It's just more proof that silliness still prevails in this world.
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I think it may be a couple different sets of folks, but I'll forward your query up the line and see what happens!
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I am wondering when to expect tickets we ordered presale via mail in method? Albany and Scranton Shows. Any idea what the turnaround time for mail ins?
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Can anybody give me the mail order address for tomorrow's presale? Got the fax form, but can't find the address.
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go to GDTSTOO.com and do whatever they tell you!
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Hi, I can't seem to find any instructions to mail order tickets for Spring Tour...can you direct me? Of course I would like to do it today...so maybe I'm too late to ask. As I remember from many years ago, the process was quite exact & sadly I only remember some of the details like 3x5 index cards and cashiers checks or was it money orders??Thanks
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Is there an RV/Camprgroung near Shoreline where deadheads might be ?
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We usually stayed in a motel by the University. On El Camino Real by the Sizzler. A few miles away, but suffice it to say there were many tapestries in the windows and nobody ever closed a door all weekend! ;) Just remember, all the rooms look alike, so it's easy to find yourself in a room full of new friends. Kinda the point anyway, right? :)
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Sorry, I guess that wasn't very helpful was it?
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So , does the spam filter only operate during off buisness hours as per California time ? You know i get on this thing early in the am est. and this is the only time the f@#kin thing gets me .. Can someone please do something about this ?? or do I need to re-arrange my entire schedule around dead.net ??
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Is about the photos we post. It used to be that I could see the username of who had posted a photo. Now I only see the person's icon. So if I don't know who's user photo or image is showing-have no clue as to who has put up the photo. Is this a change in the system? ********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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your vine post is turned loose. For some reason the spam filter has no issues with your post in this topic.
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I just don`t know what the heck is happening .. Thank you Marye .. I now know why some folks do not post vines received or sent out , now . they probobly have the same issue ,, what ever it mey be ...anyone from the vineyard see`s this post then please don`t be suprised if I do not post vines received or sent ...most know I`m reliable , so no worry`s of vine being lost with me ...
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except for the rare day I take off, I check the spam filter daily, so posts that get caught up in this fashion don't stay that way long enough to do anything like disrupt a vine. Though when responses are running a couple of hundred per hour it gets a little surreal.
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I've noticed that myself and thought I was just crazy. I'll pass this to Jonathan; there might be a really easy fix.