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  • Sway714
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    Thanks...I am happy for you. I also sent them an email about 15 mins ago. I just want closure one way or another.
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    Got it at 12:02AM. Subject
    Got it at 12:02AM. Subject says "Roseland Confirmation". Body of email is sparse. Venue instructions, time and location of show, and my name in bold print. Has a link at the bottom for Dead.net complete contest rules.BTW, I sent GDTSTOO a rather direct email about an hour ago telling them what I thought about the whole shebang.
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    Have a great time. Just curious what time did you receive it? Pst or Est time?
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    Confusion about "Guest" - Help Dead.net, need some clarity (^_^)
    I am a winner for Roseland and I did not see any place on my entry form to enter in the name of a guest. My winning email clearly states that "I have been selected to receive (2) tickets" but I do then also see on the email that it says, "The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter." And, my winning email has my name as BOTH the Winner and the Guest! Myself (Winner) and my guest are driving from very far tomorrow for the show, so we hope to get some clarity on this here in the next 12 hours before we hit the road! Boy this is confusing!!! I am praying that this is like how they did it when Phish played at the Filmore and you simply need to show up at the door with your guest (whoever it is) and if your name is on the list (as the winner) for 2 tickets it gets you both in. If someone from Dead.net gets this with any affirmation or clarity on this you can email me a response directly at antonio@dailypassion.com See you on the dance floor! (^_^)
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    I can't believe it!
    I just got a confirmation email from GDTSTOO with my name on it. I take back everything bad I said about everybody except George Bush! See you at Roseland!
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    I have had enough of this waiting...I just sent GDTS an relpy email asking them to clarify their intension. I will post their reply if and when I receive it. Why do I need to go thru this. It should have been cut and dry....Yes..... draw me a map!
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    Further evidence that the latter part of the email related to the sweepstake entry on Friday from 6-9 is because this is what the entry form asked for, which is in the fine print of your email: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest
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    This is the email I got. The top portion clearly does not sound like a sweepstakes entry. I took it that I had won. I figured the bottom portion of the email related to the initial entry into the sweepstakes from 6-9pm on Friday. When I get an email stating "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event", I take it to mean "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event".
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    O.K. Here is the original e-mail I received from GDTS
    In the subject line: The Dead 3/30/09 Roseland Ballroom - you've been selected Hello, You have been selected for the GDTS TOO allotment of tickets for The Dead's performance at the Roseland Ballroom on Monday, March 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM. The intention of this small venue show is to provide an opportunity for fans to see The Dead in an intimate setting for free. Here's the deal.... You must respond to this email by Saturday, March 28 at high noon! Do not phone or email with any questions or you will be disqualified! This offer is non transferable, it is for you only! You and your guest must have a photo ID for entrance into the show. 2 tickets per person limit No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation. Once confirmed you will be allowed entrance into the concert. To avoid long lines; you are strongly encouraged to arrive early. You must enter the venue upon arrival and there are no in/out privileges. Please return this email with an "accept" or "decline" in the subject box. Again, this email must be returned by Saturday at High Noon. I responded "accept" and that was the last I heard from them. Pretty deceiving if you ask me because it was followed by this in much smaller print: Here are the Official Rules: The Sweepstakes may only be entered in or from the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and entries originating from any other jurisdiction are not eligible for entry. This Sweepstakes is governed exclusively by the laws of the United States. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States. You must provide the following: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest All entrants must have a valid email address. Limit one (1) entry per person. No automated entry devices and/or programs permitted. Sponsor is not responsible for lost, late, illegible, stolen, incomplete, invalid, unintelligible, misdirected, technically corrupted or garbled entries, which will be disqualified, or for problems of any kind whether mechanical, human or electronic. Only fully completed entry forms are eligible. Proof of submission will not be deemed to be proof of receipt by Sponsor. Start/End Dates. ALL ENTRIES MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN March 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM Pacific Time. Eligibility. Participation open only to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States or the District of Columbia who are eighteen (18) years of age or older as of date of entry. Void outside of the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and where prohibited, taxed or restricted by law. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States or the District of Columbia. All federal, state and local laws and regulations apply. Tickets for the above-mentioned performances are not available to the general public. Tickets to all concerts will be given away free through this or other sweepstakes and other methods. Thus, the total approximate retail value (or "ARV") of all prizes to be awarded is $0.00. All Prizes are non-transferable. No substitutions or cash redemptions. All winners are responsible for their own travel and/or transportation to New York City no later than the date of the performance for which they receive tickets. **PLEASE NOTE: TICKETS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THE DOOR OF ANY OF THE VENUES FOR THE THREE PERFORMANCES DESCRIBED HEREIN. ACCORDINGLY, PLEASE DO NOT GO TO ANY OF THE VENUES UNLESS YOU ARE A PRIZE WINNER OF THIS SWEEPSTAKES, YOU HAVE RECEIVED E-MAIL CONFIRMATION FROM THE SPONSOR, AND YOU HAVE ADHERED COMPLETELY TO THE PRIZE REDEMPTION PROCEDURES PRESCRIBED IN THESE OFFICIAL RULES. THE DEAD AND THE SPONSOR APPRECIATE YOUR RESPECT AND COOPERATION. Notification. Winners will be notified by electronic mail within twenty-four (24) hours prior to the shows. This electronic mail message is sometimes referred to herein as the "E-Mail Prize Notification". Winners will not receive any further confirmation from Sponsor that they have been selected as a Prize winner other than the E-Mail Prize Notification. If you do not receive an E-Mail Prize Notification, then you were not selected as a Prize winner. If Sponsor attempts to send you an E-Mail Prize Notification and such notification is returned as undeliverable or otherwise does not reach you, if any winner rejects his/her prize, or in the event of noncompliance with these Sweepstakes rules and requirements (including, without limitation the Prize Redemption Procedures set forth in paragraph 7 below), such Prize will be forfeited. Upon prize forfeiture, no compensation will be given. Prize Redemption Procedures. Each winner shall be solely and personally responsible for adhering to the following applicable procedures in order to redeem their Prize. If any winner is considered a minor in his/her jurisdiction of residence, they must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian at the time they appear at the relevant Peformance venue to redeem their Prize. 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    When did you get this?
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

https://dead.net/dead09

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Bruce springsteen is fuckin up the history of rock and roll. --pee wee herman "nice dreams"
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tj crowley $100 ???????? WHAT???????
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Anyone know if camping in going to be allowed? Looks like closest campground is in New Jersey. Is it more likely people are going to stay in hotels close by?
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THIRD EYE ENTERTAINMENT presents QUADLIBET for TENDER FEET THE 40th ANNIVERSARY of the Grateful Dead at Fillmore West March 2, 1969 The Zen Tricksters with special guest TOM CONSTANTEN (Grateful Dead) and Joe Chirco will perform the entire show forty years to the day on March 2, 2009 at Mexicali Live 1409 Queen Anne Road Teaneck, NJ 07666 Show Date: MARCH 2, 2009 Tickets: $13.50 ADV $20.00 DOS Online ticketing: www.mexicalilive.com Venue phone 1-201-833-0011 Doors: 7:00pm Show: 8:00pm Show end: 11:55pm Band website: www.zentricksters.com Promoter website: www.myspace.com/thirdeyeentprod Promoter email: thirdeyeent@optimum.net THE SHOW Set ONE 1. Dark Star 2. St. Stephen 3. The Eleven 4. Turn On Your Love Light SET TWO 1. Doin' That Rag 2. That’s It For The Other One 3. Death Don't Have No Mercy 4. Morning Dew SET THREE 1. Alligator 2. Drums 3. Jam 4. Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) 5. Feedback 6. We Bid You Goodnight
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tj crowley and affordable too!!!! think the boys out priced themselves from a lot of folk
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This is great. Last time we saw the dead was the waive the flag tour which was great. also caught the obama beneifit in PA. After the last dead tour we followed The Bobb Dylan Show for a cpl of years but sure am stoked to be going down the road feeling bad. We are going to make it to four shows on this tour for a whopping total of $1500 in ticket for me and my girl. But well worth it. See you in Albany, Buffalo and the two night in Philly. Peace, Joe and Emily P.S. we miss u- Doozer, Shawny, Shannon, Brigit..........Not Fade Away
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It might be the devilIt might be the Lord It might be Ticketmaster But you're gonna have to serve somebody (Serrrve Sombodddy)
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A person on the RatDog blog recieved his mail order tickets on Sat and has a link to ebay site where he's selling them for face value. There's a pic of the envelope with post mark and the tickets. I would say the tickets should be arriving soon.
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Hey - I've been out of the loop for several years, so pardon me if this is a stupid question, or if it has been covered already... Does Candice still do the lighting design, and/or will she be involved with this tour?
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I got one of my tickets today ,philly 5/1 I hope 5/2 is coming soon.I'll have to check,but it looks like a grate seat. PEACE Tina
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can someone please tell me the dead is gonna hit bonnaroo
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We got half of our order of six (6) tickets for the Spectrum shows today. For Fri 5/2, we got three seats in Section 105 Row 2, and for Sat 5/2 (where demand exceeded supply by 50%), we got Section 213 Row 2. No complaints on either night. We'll be ~22 rows from the stage the first night, and just off the floor midway back from the stage the second night. The last lil' miracle that my group needs is for GDTS to match up our two separate orders (both envelopes were brightly decorated with the same drawings) so that all six of us are sitting (ahem, I mean dancing) in the same spot. Gotta love GDTS! I'll gladly live with a few weeks of uncertainty for great seats and none of the hassle that the on-line 'heads went through during the pre-sale. Philadelphia, here we come! 81 days to go!!
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I just read an interview with Bob Weir in Relix, and he indicated that a summer tour in '09 is unlikely, but it's under consideration for '10. So it appears that Bonnaroo ain't in the cards this summer.
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I'm waiting on some Shoreline tix from GDTS. Regarding the Dead this summer, I would think at least Ratdog would do a summer tour yeah? "When the smoke has cleared, she said, that's what she said to me. You're gonna want a bed to lay your head and a little sympathy"
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I lent out my Relix magazine to a friend so I can't double-check right now, but if memory serves, Weir's comments in the interview implied that it's unlikely that the Dead will tour this summer BECAUSE of commitments that the various members' bands have already made, which could mean some combination of Ratdog, P&F, Mickey and/or Bill. I haven't checked the Ratdog site recently, but hopefully they'll be on the road at part of the summer. Personally, I'm hoping for the 10,000 Lakes Festival in MN (since I live here now). Phil, Mickey and DSO all made it last year, so it's Bob's turn this time...
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The Dead Tour Spring 2009 update:The last of Spectrum orders will go out this week. Next out the door is Madison Square Garden. The remaining shows will go out in the next three to six weeks. We will keep you up-to-date as we go along.
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We got our mail order tix for Philly andgot some sweet seats too!!! Level 1 sec 201 friday night and FLOOR seats sec 104 for Saturday night..... I love my friend for mail ordering for me!!! Yipeeee! Peace
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Glad to hear this, that the old tried and true way of doing things still works just the same! At least it lets me know that not all things in this world our beyond FUBAR! Can't wait to be spinning, spinning, free with you all! 84 dayz!____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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out there received a refund from GDTS for MSG yet? "Let there be songs to fill the air."
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Just checking...I know they said it might be up to two weeks before the show that we see our tix but I"m just curious to see if anyone who ordered online has started receiving them yet. Thanks in advance!!!~Tam
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I also know what they said...I'd still feel better if I had them in my pocket.
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I know that I've done at least one other presale with this same outfit, got the tickets within a week. So this delay does make me antsy...
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No kidding I sure wish they wouldn't wait until the last second. More and more it is obvious that GDTS is the way to go. If they sell out THEN get online. "No they never stopped rockin, goin round and round, reelin and rockin, what a crazy sound No, they never stopped rockin, til the moon went down"
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Tam and other online orderers - I got tix for both nights at Worcester and the Hartford show during the presale and have not gotten those tix yet, but I got one for Albany too once they went on sale to the public and that showed up about a week after placing the order. Have to wait on those presale tix though, but I'll be happy to have them in hand. Can't wait!
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I'll probably get mine last since I'm on the tail end of the tour. Oh well...keep me posted if any of you receive your pre sale tix...just so I know that they're starting to send em out.~Tam
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head over to the Channel 666 topic, where this is being discussed.
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Don't know if you saw this....sugarmegged to me this afternoon. Here's some good news and it's about time. Let's see how far it gets: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090209/ticketmas ter_090209/20090209?hub=TopStories Suit alleges Ticketmaster broke anti-scalping law Updated Mon. Feb. 9 2009 1:30 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff A $500-million class action lawsuit has been launched against Ticketmaster and related groups, claiming the ticket seller conspired to "scalp" its own tickets. The suit alleges that Ticketmaster has diverted tickets to concerts and other popular events away from its own regular website, Ticketmaster.ca, over to its ticket-brokering website TicketsNow.com. TicketsNow allows people who have tickets to exchange, trade or sell tickets at marked- up prices. Lawyers from Sutts, Strosberg in Windsor, Ont., and Branch McMaster in Vancouver say they're representing a client who allegedly paid more than $530 for two concert tickets from TicketsNow that would have cost about $130 if they had been available from Ticketmaster. The client had attempted to buy the tickets through Ticketmaster's regular website and was directed him to the higher-priced tickets on the TicketsNow website. The firms say other event-goers have been overcharged in the same way when they bought tickets from Ticketmaster.ca or TicketsNow.com since February 2007. They allege the defendants violated Ontario's "anti-scalping" laws, contending that the practice of selling tickets in the secondary market for amounts that exceed their face price violates the legislation. The law firms claim Ticketmaster Entertainment, Inc., Ticketmaster Canada Ltd., TNOW Entertainment Group, Inc., and Premium Inventory, INC. owe $500 million in damages to those who were overcharged. The firms allege that Ticketmaster deliberately limits the number of tickets that are sold at face price and then diverts tickets to TicketsNow, where they can be sold for amounts that exceed their face value. "Customers have voiced concerns over the fact that tickets for the most popular events can ostensibly sell out in minutes, only to become immediately available in the secondary market at much higher prices," said Luciana Brasil of Branch McMaster, one of the lawyers representing the plaintiff. "The mere fact that Ticketmaster has a financial interest in both retail and premium ticket sales leads to an obvious question about the process by which those tickets are sold to members of the public and how it works," said Jay Strosberg of Sutts Strosberg LLP, another of the lawyers representing the plaintiff. Ticketmaster has said in response to prior complaints that the company's ticket-selling system is fair and doesn't violate the law. The class action aims to represent all persons who bought tickets for an event in Ontario from Ticketmaster or through TicketsNow.com from and after February 9, 2007. More information on the suit can be found at www.ticketmasterclassaction.com. Earlier this month, Bruce Springsteen expressed anger with Ticketmaster's selling practices. He said he has heard from fans who wanted to see him play at New Jersey's Meadowlands that they received an error message on their computer screen that shut them out of the main Ticketmaster website. The potential ticket-buyers then saw an ad for Ticketmaster subsidiary TicketsNow offering tickets for hundreds of dollars more than face value. Springsteen said on his website that he and the E Street Band are "furious." "We perceive this as a pure conflict of interest," the band said. The band said it had received assurances from Ticketmaster that it will stop redirecting Springsteen fans to TicketsNow. ____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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I received my tickets for both Spectrum shows, today!Floor seats both nights! Thank you Dead! Thank you GDTS TOO! The only reason I'm not jumping for joy is to write this post. I can't jump and type. Also, this is my first post on the dead.net forums... Hello friends! See you at the show! "Please don't be sad if it was a straight line you had We wouldn't have known you all these years"
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let's move this over to the Channel 666 topic (where, it emerges, TM and Live Nation are now trying to make the case that hey, no antitrust problems here if they merge...) and add it to the already bubbling brew. And leave this to the tour per se. Thanks!
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Sounds like a plan...Sweet, didn't know where to post it. Don't have time to even write this!____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Don't ever doubt the boyz didn't know that ALL the Deadheads would not be all over anyone who trys to Stagger Lee our azzes!____________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Still waiting on my tickets to both shows and I'm starting to get worried because I've heard of other people getting their tickets already to the same shows. Anyone else waiting on their Philly tickets still?
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I am pretty sure no one has received their pre-sale tickets yet (musictoday). I guess mail order tickets are starting to arrive but not those. I have a bad feeling musictoday is going to make us wait until the last minute! "When the smoke has cleared, she said, that's what she said to me. You're gonna want a bed to lay your head and a little sympathy"
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I orginally only had the budget for two shows so I did mail order for Denver and Shoreline. I haven't gotten those tixs yet. I came up with some extra scratch just before the general on sale. So I got a ticket for the Forum through Ticketbastard which I received in less than a week - looks like I will be sitting with Jerry for that show ;-} lol! I would like to catch up with anyone interested in getting together at the Forum send me a PM if you want...... Peaceful Journey to you all - Saint Stephen with a rose. In and out of the garden he goes. Country garland in the wind and the rain. Wherever he goes the people all complain.... Shine On! Saint Stephen
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But I don't think it will be logistically possible. I will be at the Pepsi Center and Shoreline though! "Goes to show, You don't ever know, Watch each card you play, Play it slow."
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i will be attending forum and shoreline + a few frinds from the mountains of Co are coming into town for both. i live about 5 miles from forum and we may be driving up to shoreline.
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i have been a head since 1986 and my friends from CO since before that, so di not let the 1/15/09 joint date fool you.
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Going to Wilkes Barre alone, need someone to twirl with.... who's going so I can meet up? Also doing both Philly shows and MSG : ) Ami
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I joined this site late in the game myself. No matter, we're all here now! Better late than never! "Once I knew a preacher, preached the Bible through and through. He went down to Deep Elem, now his preaching days are through"
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I'll be at both PA shows with some friends -- five from MN and one from SC -- all of us "bus riders" since the 70s. Our tickets are kinda all over (we're split between 105 & 213 the first night, and 213 & 216 the second). While none of us have been to a show at the Spectrum before (we picked it 'cause it's a two-night run...gotta see at least two shows since we're traveling), other 'heads we know have and assure us that the parking lot scene will be great (perhaps even a bit emotional for the locals, as the arena is to be demolished later this year), so we're all looking forward to engaging in the pre- and post-show "community". I imagine threads will get started by tour site before long, allowing for some rendezvous arrangements.
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Ticketmaster is putting tickets on sale for "The Dead" camping and parking on 2/20 for 5/17. Is there gonna be a show there? Trying to figure out what shows to go to.
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bartmc - Your post got me excited. Can't spend 20 + hrs. to get to a show now (closest one), but will spend 3 to get to the Gorge. Looked around and didn't see any mention of this yet. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake