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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    Nice Analogy Lopezz
    Thanks for the explanation from us less technically knowledgeable souls. Does the same thing happen each time you save or copy a .wav file? From what I can gather from this topic, the answer would be no. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    Thanks for the explanation Lopezz
    A few weeks ago I tried converting an mp3 to wav just to see what would happen and the file ended up being a cda file when it was all said and done. cda files are the format you get if you buy a CD from the store. So I thought that was weird. I don't care that much as I would never convert mp3 to wav or flac anyways but I just wanted to understand it better... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    flac vs mp3
    A lot of you probably do not use audio editing software, but Mp3's are pretty much useless in that area. When I open a 50mb flac format song in Cool Edit Pro or Adobe Audition, it uncompresses to almost a gigabyte. Thats just one 10min song. I use this to get rid of tape hiss, or try and smooth over a tape flip. When I save the flac file in flac format it does not lose any information. I can open it and save it as often as I like and the information remains. Mp3's on the other hand will lose a little information every time I save them. For example, If the song were a painting: Compressing it in flac format would be like rolling it up and putting it in a tube. It would look the same the next time you open it. Compressing it in Mp3 format would be like folding it up and putting it in your pocket. Each time you opened it and put it away the folds and creases would get worse. A tale tell sign of an Mp3 in this condition is when no matter how loud you turn the voice and lead guitar sound muffeled. If you like Mp3's, cool. I use them in my Zen player and my wifes ipod. I dont see anything wrong with a Mp3 vine either. I sent That Nice Hippy Guy a Sublime concert in Mp3 format. It sounded pretty good! But please dont encode Mp3 back to flac. They will get mistaken for the real thing if the recipients of the file do not have the software to distinguish between the two. Thanks( I guess thats my 2 cents)
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    That's exactly what I do too. With a few CDs sprinkled in for good measure. I haven't found a way to flawlessly listen to my ipod in the car yet so that's where CDs are nice. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    i hear you...
    but has anyone tested it? Just take take two cds, both with the same jam...one in mp3 format, one lossless (don't label which is which)...mix em up....and of course listen on the same speakers to control the experiment......after the fact write your guess as to which is which and see if u can tell a difference....I have not done this test myself but my theory is there would be no discernable difference between the two. That being said, I keep my shows in Lossless format on my external hard drive for archiving and compress to mp3 for personal use. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    It's Loss
    Well, you have heard of lossless; MP3 is loss. If you convert the same audio file to wav and MP3, the MP3 file is smaller, and the bit rate is smaller too. Does it really matter? No. Does an MP3 sound good? Yes. But purists do not like MP3 because it does have subtle audio differences. Think of an MP3 as a second or third generation tape.
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    So can anyone enlighten me..
    What exactly gets "lost" when converting to MP3?? I'm with some of you guys - I think MP3's on an ipod sound awesome. I haven't been able to figure out what I'm "missing" with an MP3?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    I dig....
    Yeah man, I dig mp3 too...I generally convert all of my lossless to mp3 (and keep the shnflac on an external hard drive) Mp3's are smokin.... I can groove for hours on end with no break of the vibe....put in a fatty mp3 disc and call it a day!!! I love it!!! (plus I cannot tell a difference on my car stereo or home stereo for that matter...with most shows)BUT....I still keep my Lossless archive for future listening/conversions when mp3's are obsolete....shnflac or lossless allows your collection to last the test of time....and we all need something 'built to last' "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    I'm with Estim8ed...
    I too remember the not so distant days of trading tapes. mp3 at a decent bit rate puts me right where I need to be. Even when listening on headphones at high volume, every instrument is clear and crispy. I'll leave the archiving to the archivists, I want to listen. the 120gb of live Dead on my iPod keeps me groovin' down the road His job is to shed light, not to master...
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    Good morning everybody. I got the urgent message in my inbox to get over here. I have a lot of reading and catching up to do. I will say this, with all the new vines being proposed, I feel like I am drowning. There is SO MUCH stuff to keep track of. Thanks for all your efforts. I wish I had more to contribute.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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I`ll start putting something together .
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If there is interest I can start a vine. I have offered in the past with no takers. I have almost all of 1995 shows. I have listed the ones that I have already converted from tape to CD. These shows are Digital clones of Gen 1 DAT or 2nd Gen Tape. Yes I still have DAT. They are rotting away a slow death. I went DECK to CD Burner. I use a Sony RCD-W500C Burner. I love it and can copy a vine in 20 -30 minutes. Anyway the list below I have already transfered. I will be checking the reponses I see. PM if interested and I will start a vine. All SBD>C except 03-19. If there is a huge response I can vine all of the shows below in 3 waves.02-20 02-21 03-17 03-18 03-19 Af:DAT>C 03-23 03-26 03-27 04-02 04-07 06-02 06-25 07-06 07-09 Let the music flow.... Deadtaper
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Yes. I want as much '95 as possible. Yes, I'll take them in a vine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '94 and '95 are my favorite 90s years. Jerry's voice sounded clearer.
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Im going to Chicago next week for the Furthur shows and will be up there for a week or so. I shouldent hold up any vines for very long but I just wanted to let everyone know. Peace and Love, Trevor "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
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Hey Trevor, I think you will enjoy the shows. I went last night to Radio City. It was the first time I was back there since I saw three shows from the 1980 run. Brought back a lot of memories. Last night was a fine show. Pretty tight and they actually sounded like the Grateful Dead at times. I got to see Viola Lee Blues and Mason's Children live. Phil is still amazing. Of course, it ain't the same without the Fat Man, but I really enjoyed the night. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Anyone notice that they changed the cassette card (j card) picture on deadlists.com? It was 9/23/72 forever.
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By a conservative count, I have 130 GD and JG shows in my possession that I have not listened to, most I haven't even converted yet. Thus, the acquisitions MUST desist. I'm gonna take a break from signing up for vines until I catch up (unless something I really want presents itself, such as the Feb 80 JGB vine Stuman is working on). I've removed myself from the vines that I was signed up for. Listening to a show a day, which is what I normally do, if not more, and I should return to full vining status in 4 months, haha. Of course, I will get out what I have and what I mistakenly receive. Don't worry, I'm not a quitter, I'm just on hiatus.
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"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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I was wondering if you lose any quality or integrity by moving or I should say copying your flac/shn files from one external hard drive to another one?? I'd like to organize my music files across my various HD's but won't do it if it compromises quality. Thanks in adance for any advice!! "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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they will all copy 100% faithfully. Don't forget to make back ups as well...I know to my cost that it's worth the trouble
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I have transfered files between 3 diferent hard drives and I hav`nt noticed any loss of quality.
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Enjoy the "hiatus."Just don't disappear from Dead.net completely. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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who helped me add to my Joe Walsh collection. I don't suppose anyone has some good Three Dog Night shows do they? If you know of any PM me, I have lots to trade. Thanks
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I am like Derek. I have a lot of unconverted flac files. I have at least 200 converted shows plus another....um....30+ of unconverted. When I get a flac vine, I just burn a copy of the DVD and pass it on and convert the stuff later..or maybe not at all. I am not dropping out but I am slowing down. :-) I am posed and ready to pounce on deadtaper's '95 vine when it comes out!
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Don't we have a whole lifetime to listen to the music we get from these vines? All I need are external hard drives, good organization and a good system for converting and listening. I say keep on vining no matter what! "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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I keep a good rotation, around 5 new cd's a week. Of course I always have room for my favorites. Hearing Garcia count everyone through an early version of Loser on the Perro tapes is classic!
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I'm reaching my saturation point too. I have more than I can listen to in a lifetime in shn/flac format. My wife has kindly pointed that out to me several times ;-) Lopezz, good idea to use R/W CDs. I tend to playback the shn/flacs using Foobar, and when I find a really good show I'll burn to CDs. My goal is to be able to set up a set of hard drives and throw a wireless signal from the PC to my stereo so I can use the PC as my jukebox. No more CD player at all and no need to burn CDs except for road trips. I have Foobar and TLH at work too, so I really don't need CDs. I spend most of my time on trying to organize and catalog what I have. The more I add, the further (!) behind I get on that side, so it is time to slooooooow down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Whenever I reach the saturation point, it always becomes a matter of quality over quantity.For example, mp3 improves to Shn/Flac and the next groove will be 24-bit. I'd sure like to hear a show or two of those Apr.'71, Fillmore shows el TejonCosmico was trying to sell earlier, wouldn't you? Where does the time go? "
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Hey all - Yesterday I jumped on the bus in Broomfield and am riding it the rest of the tour to the Bill Grahm Civic Auditorium for Phils Birthday. I may get a little back-logged on a couple of vines but will certainly get caught up when I return. As far as slowing down - I just bought a couple of new HD's from Sam's Club. So I am pushing on - keep those vines coming :-) "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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Lopezz...a JW vine or add it to a FWGV vine perhaps? I'm a big JW fan. JackStraw - I'm jealous - following them across the country - awesome to be able to do that. If I wasn't busy, I'd come down to BG Civic Auditorium and meet you there for a beer at least ;-) "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Keep a song in your heart. some Joe Walsh please. Greg
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I've got a beauty from Oroboros, 11-11-81 pre FM King Biscuit Flower Hour. Also another good one from Stuman, James Gang 9-8-06 AudMatrix. I have a very quiet audience recording from 8-19-97, a SBD from 11-24-73 University of Texas, a live compilation from 81-91, and then some Eagles concerts, 4 I think.
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Hey all.... been AWOL awhile.... and have some vines to get out this week.... mea culpa and my apolgies.... BUT!!! What is the best way to burn 24 bit to DVD or to CD for playback purposes! I have no knowledge... but the few 24 bit shows I do have sound considerably better even through the computer add on speakers I use.... so I want to get them onto my DVD surround sound system but have failed to do so so far. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Raymond
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Cosmic Badger wrote a nice piece on this.Page 10 about 1/2 way down. Quote" 24 Bit avatar On February 7th, 2010 cosmicbadger said: can sound fantastic Witness the mindboggling 24 Bit versions of the of the fabulous April 71 shows that are appearing these days (the latest is 4-26-71). The main drawbacks are that the files are MUCH bigger and you cannot convert them to WAV (without losing all the audio benefits). And of course the audio source must be of good quality to be be able to make a difference. To listen you have two main choices Play through a 24 Sound Card or Digital Audio Converter. Your PC is unlikely to have such a thing internally. I have an external 24 Bit box that sits between my computer and my hi-fi. Its not the best you can get but it does the job. Burn to an Audio DVD or Video DVD and play through a suitable player. You can find out much more about entering the world of 24 bit by reading this http://24bit.turtleside.com/ and through this discussion http://www.shnflac.net/forum.php?action=viewtopic&topicid=10231 WOW as I write I see that a new 24 Bit Matrix of 74-6-23 Jai Alai Fronton has just appeared."
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Any interest in an 8 show SHN/FLAC Led Zeppelin vine? I should soon be receiving 8/31/69, 1/22/73, 5/13/73, 2/12/75, 2/28/75, 3/5/75, 5/25/75 and 6/1/77. Most are supposed to be of very good sound quality.
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"And I love the life I liveAnd I'm gonna live the life I love"
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"And I love the life I liveAnd I'm gonna live the life I love"
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I will be away all weekend. Can somebody sign me up for the '95 vine part 1 if it gets posted? I have been waiting since the middle of the week, and I bet it will get posted when I am not around to sign up. Thks
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Stu, I picked up this entire show tonight from LL. I'll send a copy over to you. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Unclejon, I also got it from LL but acording to the notes it is only set 2 and set 3 . I would love to have that entire show , I`ll go over to LL and look for it . save you the postage if i find it . Thank you Unclejon . *** Clean***Sober***Proud***
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I just looked into LL and Workingmans, the recent torrents uploaded there are only sets 2 & 3. this is the complete source gd66-11-29.sbd.ret.20448.sbeok.shn . But thanks for the kind offer Unclejon . And thank you Ltapilot ! If anyone has any 66 that is not on my 66 shn/flac vine please let me know . we could work a trade or something . Hope you all have a nice weekend !! *** Clean***Sober***Proud***
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Good catch Stu! Now I want that first set too! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Since at least one person wants it, I will vine it! I received the first 4 shows yday and am listening to a very hot 2/28/75 right now (google "rampaging cajun" and "led zeppelin" to find out info on it if you want). The No Quarter was awesome. Once I receive the other 4 shows (sometime next week in all likelihood) I will vine the whole thing.
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Oh I will bet big that more than one person is interested ;-) "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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I bought 2 From the Vault years ago, when it came out. I didn't pay much attention when the reissue appeared, but after hearing the 8/23 Alligator/Caution on the Taper's Section, I'd be willing to shell out again for 2 From the Vault if I knew that was what appears on the bonus disc. Can anyone confirm that's the date from which the bonus tracks are taken?Thanks for your time. Steve
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According to www.deaddisc.com/disc/Two_From_The_Vault.htm it is possible you have those additional tracks already... quote 'There was some confusion on the original release of this set as to the date of the recordings. Initially the music was thought to be from both August 23 and August 24 1968. It has since been determined though that the music on Two From The Vault is all from August 24, 1968. The additional tracks added as a third disc for the expanded edition are from August 23rd, 1968. The Alligator > Caution > Feedback sequence that forms the third CD in the expanded edition has previously been released on; * The Golden Road (1965-1973), Grateful Dead, 2001 * Anthem Of The Sun, Grateful Dead, 2003 (expanded edition) ' unquote
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Thanks for the information!
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hey I was not criticising you in any way about launching those April 71 vines....you can't be expected to read minds :-) what is important is that someone got those shows out because they are soooo good. Happy that it is you.
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I too have been unable to burn as of yet... but even just listening on my upgraded computer speakers.... these 24 bit are fantastic! Esp. this '71 run.... I also DL'ed an '85 show that was better but not quite as pronounced as the Fillmore shows of '71. Maybe this weekend I will actually figure out how to play them from the DVD player... Raymond
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As soon as I get Portland I'm going to seed the winter 2010 tour including phil's birthday. There will be a couple of shows in 24bit format too. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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Hey viners!The Bus is posting his JGB 1981 project on bt.etree. I have d/l part 1 and am getting ready to d/l part 2. If any one out there wants to collaborate on this project PM me and we can start a joint vine. If not no worries I'll keep plugging away, parts 3 and 4 are up now and I think there will be more parts coming. Speaking of joint... (~) : } "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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Any one have this one and would be willing to Vine or trade? Thanks in advance, Marty
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Does anyone have any live YES from the '73 - '74 Tales from Topographic Oceans tour? Not sure if YES is trade friendly. I had some stuff years ago and was lost when the computer died.
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I have a show or 2 but not from that tour. I'd be up for some mid-70's Yes. BTW, I got the Led Zep shows in over the weekend. I'll have an 8 show SHN/FLAC vine posted later this week.
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I also have some Yes , but also not from The Topograghic tour . I`ll look into the HD`s and post what I have later . *** Clean***Sober***Proud***
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I saw some questions around 24 bit. I just figired this out myself so passing the info along. After downloading the flac files I drag them into an opensource program called dvd-audiofile version 0.60. I then hit the create ISO button. I then use Roxio to burn the ISO image onto dvd (note this is essentially burning a data disc onto dvd). This creates a DVD Audio disc which will play in DVD players that can decode that. I haven't found many sources worthy of this so far but at least I figured out how to do it. If you have questions let m eknow. Marty