Grateful Dead

maybe they do care. I vacillate regularly between "let's all be like Jesus" and "kill 'em all" moods. I also spend way too much time listening to, thinking about, and commenting on this band. peace be with you all.

Yeah. I missed the initial release. It wasn't until years later that I came across it. Rhino said no more copies would be released and I believed them. Silly me. But you know what? I didn't sit here and complain. I didn't ask for a re-release. I did something about it. Hunted around for quite some time until I found a copy at a "reasonable" price. And I bought it. You see, copies are available. You are simply making the decision not to pay the amount asked. Which is fine. But, please don't come here to whine about it. Hell. The total cost of one D&C show these days is almost the same price as one of those boxes. How many folks go to those? Me. I'd rather have the box. Here's a thought. Why not sell your copy of DaP 1 for the going rate and you will have enough money to buy two copies of FW69? And yeah, 2/27 is the deal. The band got it right on the first try.

I got my copy at semi-nosebleed prices on ebay after hunting around for awhile and finally winning an auction (at better than most other prices at the time). It's one of the few that I was willing to pony up for at that level, and it's been worth it to me for that one at least. How they choose to handle it from here on is their call, as far as I'm concerned. Would probably be disgruntled people regardless of what they do (or don't do). Another alternative would be an ARK BOX by its upcoming 50th anniversary. Might be a halfway solution if they decide to stick by their original decree on FW69.

Are tied for my favorite release.. quintessential. I would like to think anyone reading this either has them or lossless copies in their possession. I haven't dug out my original box in years.. in fact, they have only been played (rip'd) twice. ..But I do reach for the music from these two boxes quite often. It's one of those things where it is what it is.. If you don't have the music, dig around a little and you will find it. I am not sure they will ever re-release them, at least not unless they are remastered. What's important is the music, the packaging is just another Thneed. I did get through a complete, uninterrupted listen of 2/27 today and it was sublime. On a positive note, they did Live Dead right, the performances are simply incredible and the shows were recorded with care on 16 track high quality analogue tape. That is what's important, I thank thankful they left us the music. There are a lot of you out there that must listen a lot more then I do. I do not think I could rank one show or one song against the other from these performances. To me they all shine and are different in their own ways.. I really do appreciate all the analysis and comments thrown around these boards. It makes me dig into this stuff with renewed interest and a different perspective. Good stuff, thanks to all.

what an uppity fuck.

"I also spend way too much time listening to, thinking about, and commenting on this band." Couldn't have said it better myself... Maybe we should all go to the appropriate pages on this website for those Fillmore shows and post comments with the header "Release" informing TPTB that many of us are dying to purchase a reissued version of the 10 disc box (I have my 3 disc version with the bonus, so I'm good). You know, uh, like some kind of "All Music" version... On second thought, don't do that...cannot have anything screwing up or delaying that RFK 73 box.

Could be called wretched excess....but i won't. Only '72 and '77 are better represented. More Full Normanized 1979-85 please. /kthx

Was an uppity fuck. Sounds like my kind of guy. Too bad you didn't listen

Yeah, I missed out on the FW 69 box set too. I also missed out on the Renaissance, investing early in Starbuck's, Lincoln's presidency, and seeing "Deepthroat" in theaters. Life's unfair. Moving on...

Hello Everyone , a grateful morning to all :)...so I have #3,4,7,9,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,& #22 all sealed/brand new - primo. :) #1,5,8,10,12 opened ...hope the list helps anyone needing any Europe 72' shows...

The Fillmore 69 box is definitely the one I consider to be the best release so far, more so than boxzilla, either of the 1977/1990 sets, or even the winterlands 73/77 etc. I agree that everyone should atleast hear those 1969 shows, and I think it would be alright if TPTB did some sort of download only reissue or something of that nature. I got the audio files from a friend, that's probably the best way currently to get the box, though there are torrents and blogs etc. I will add that all those shows are free to listen to on the archive in excellent quality, with multiple audio sources. And that the boxset's cds have also been on youtube for 4+ years. 1969 may be well represented, but I'll always be happy to see more from that year. Personally I would be fully on-board with Dave choosing to only release 1969 recordings until there were no more to put out. Dave then could move on to only 1968, followed by whats available from 1970 and then all that's left of 1973... it's probably a good thing I don't make the decisions.

Keep the audio as it is. They sound fine to me as is. Via Wikipedia page on remastering: Remastering music for CD or even digital distribution first starts from locating the original analog version. The next step involves digitising the track or tracks so it can be edited using a computer. Then the track order is chosen. This is something engineers often worry about because if the track order is not right, it may seem sonically unbalanced. When the remastering starts, engineers use software tools such as a limiter, an equaliser, and a compressor. The compressor and limiters are ways of controlling the loudness of a track. However, this is not to be confused with the volume of a track, which is controlled by the listener during playback. The dynamic range of an audio track is measured by calculating the variation between the loudest and the quietest part of a track. In recording studios the loudness is measured with negative decibels, zero designates the loudest recordable sound. A limiter works by having a certain cap on the loudest parts and if that cap is exceeded, it is automatically lowered by a ratio preset by the engineer. Criticism Remastered audio has been the subject of criticism. Many remastered CDs from the late 1990s onwards have been affected by the "loudness war", where the average volume of the recording is increased at the expense of clarity and dynamic range, making the remastered version sound louder at regular listening volume than an uncompressed version. Some have also criticized the overuse of noise reduction in the remastering process, as it affects not only the noise, but the signal too, and can leave audible artifacts. Equalisation can change the character of a recording noticeably. As EQ decisions are a matter of taste to some degree, they are often the subject of criticism. Mastering engineers such as Steve Hoffman have noted that using flat EQ on a mastering allows listeners to adjust the EQ on their equipment to their own preference, but mastering a release with a certain EQ means that it may not be possible to get a recording to sound right on high-end equipment. See also: Loudness war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war Bottom line: I'd go with a repackaged re-release of all 4 shows individually and the bonus disc and booklet as yet another individual stand alone release. Bonus disc & booklet: early January 2019 All four shows: mid-February 2019 Dave's Picks Volume 29: Subscriptions scheduled to ship February 1, 2019 (Friday) and the remainder at the same time.

I think it would be excellent if you made the decisions.The ARK box shouldn't be issued instead of the Fillmore 69 box, but as well as.

I take your point about the value of keeping your word, but in the case of the FW box, the word was issued about 13 years ago. My own life was completely different in 2005 to what it is now, and I would hate to be held to account for anything I might have said so long ago. Granted there are statements made in the past that still hold true today. But there are just as many, if not more, that could now be discounted as a product of their time. I can't imagine the place where I used to work in 2005 worrying too much about contravening any of my principles in this day and age.

"If a man does not master his circumstances then he is bound to be mastered by them." Amor Towles A Gentleman in Moscow

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FW'69 is the highest height the GD ever achieved. All the other peaks ('72, '77, '89) don't come come to the visceral energy and spontaneity this run achieves. I can only imagine what fans of, say, Jefferson Airplane (with their 40 minute concerts and cutesy 3 1/2 minute songs, even when live) thought as they watched 2/28/69 unfold. Agreed that the FW'69 shows are like E'72 in that they are so consistent that each show is almost indistinguishable from the others, which makes sense since both these runs were planned and multi-tracked for the explicit purpose of creating a live album. I think there first two shows slightly better, though I love the 23-minute jam on 3/2/69 that seems to sample 4 or 5 different songs instrumentally in one long piece, kinda like how movie soundtracks now do.... but they did it spontaneously - amazing. As for the notion that they might re-release FW'69 because "Hey they promised a one-time release but that was 13 years ago - times change". No, they don't, any more than I can say to my wife "of course I've been f__ing my assistant at work... our wedding vows are 16 years old! Times change, babe! What's for dinner?" Luckily Archive.org DOES have the amazing SBD's (not just AUD's), so there is no need to waste a release on a re-issue for the few who missed the first pressing. Listening to 2/28/69 on Archive right now on it's 49th anniversary, and the sound is amazing!

It's a real bummer to hear Lovemygirl needs to part with his Europe '72 CDs. Maybe some of us can help him out and buy a few of these amazing shows. If you don't have all of 'em yet, now's the time – they're becoming very hard to find for a reasonable price. Only 2 are still available here on http://www.dead.net/store/music (4/8 & 4/14) Lovemygirl listed his offerings by show number. Here's his list with venue and date added (** = sealed/unopened) 1. April 7 Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley 3.** April 11 Newcastle City Hall, Newcastle 4.** April 14 Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen 5. April 16 Aarhus University, Aarhus 7.** April 21 Beat Club, Bremen 8. April 24 Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf 9.** April 26 Jahrhundert Halle, Frankfurt 10. April 29 Musikhalle, Hamburg 12. May 4 Olympia Theatre, Paris 13.** May 7 Bickershaw Festival, Wigan 15.** May 11 Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam 16.**May 13 Lille Fairgrounds, Lille 17.** May 16 Theatre Hall, Luxembourg 18.** May 18 Kongressaal - Deutsches Museum, Munich 19.** May 23 Strand Lyceum, London 20.** May 24 Strand Lyceum, London 21.** May 25 Strand Lyceum, London 22.** May 26 Strand Lyceum, London This post is totally unsolicited. I'm fortunate to have a trunk. Just hoping we can help out a brother. PM that boy! Onward!

Anyone got theirs yet? Reviews? Mine is out for delivery, cannot wait!

got mine, I have no plans on opening it since I don't have a turntable hooked up, but it's here.

Does that make you an elephant? If so, who is that dude in your avatar photo?

And that's a fact. I am not for a minute advocating change for the sake of change. If anyone is happily married, then long may they remain so. But an awful lot of what exists at any one time is disposable-or simply wasn't built to last in the first place. To cling on to some things is counter productive. The things we know now may once have been barely imagined. The moment we stop growing is the moment we start dying.

Seeing that list of Europe 1972 shows moves me to comment on what an excellent show the above is. Its easily overlooked-but its a gem. Highlights include a sparkling Playing, and an incredible jam linking Truckin' to The Other One. The music seems to have a life of its own here-I can't adequately describe it. But if you haven't got that show, I would highly recommend it. You wont have anything else quite like it.

Nope Simonrob. Thankfully not an elephant else I'd be mopping coffee up from a lot bigger radius around the drafting table. ;-)

http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/02-28-1970 The Family Dog at the Great Highway San Francisco, California For our Dead of the Day we have a giant Lovelight sandwich in the form of the February 28, 1970 show. Here the Dead are working their way through the transition from the psychedelic sound they had perfected so well by 1969 to the more rock and roll and Americana sound of the early 70s. For instance, a precious few acoustic tunes pop up early in the show, starting with a short, fun Monkey and the Engineer. A little later, China Cat – one of their psychedelic staples - flows in a more rock direction with a peppier, more directed jam. And you can feel the band trying out new configurations on other tunes as well, most obviously when they abort the Caution after less than a minute. But listening to this show need not just be a lesson in Grateful Dead evolutionary history, there is some very fine playing here too, including the perfect little version of Alligator, an acoustic Black Peter, and the Lovelights on either end of the night. Disappointingly, the Casey Jones, which came between the Big Boss Man and Alligator and the Uncle John’s Band in the encore slot is not in circulation. This Mason’s Children was the last of the 15 the Dead would ever play. Like the Eleven, the lyrics read something like a children’s fairytale, but Robert Hunter wrote in his lyrics anthology, Box of Rain, that the song deals “obliquely with Altamont.” In that context, it is little surprise that the Dead first played the song on December 19, 1969, a mere 13 days after that tragic festival.

Mind = blown

February 28, 1969http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/02-28-1969 Fillmore West San Francisco, California This show was commercially released by the band as part of Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings. It also happens to be frighteningly hot. It is nearly a perfect compendium of the best jam-ready tunes the Dead were playing in 1969 with the Other One suite, Dark Star> Stephen> Eleven, and Alligator> Caution. Most of these, expectedly, break into utter madness and mayhem as Jerry and the boys do all they can to absolutely melt your face. Like so much of 1969, this show is phenomenal.

I hear ya. It certainly is a crazy good run. Listening to 2/28/69 TOO>Dark Star on Archive as I work.... its just so energetic. I'm hoping the next '69 Box will be an Ark Box, unless Dave has identified a more worthy run. Such a great year - the 2/11/69 show massaged my ears the other day, and it was glorious.

Little ditty from the SF Gate today: https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Dead-Company-show-solidari… Duryea: "Frightenly hot", heh, I like that description. Enjoying your many review posts lately too, thanks for the effort. Still waiting for anyone to top your avatar too...

Lovemygirl - Lovejerry here. check your PM

Yes, I think that's a great one, too. Going off the sleeve notes, they were supporting Janis Joplin on that occasion, so they had to rein in some of the jams. It doesn't diminish them at all-one of my favourite shows. Definitely hoping for an Ark box, too.

The bridge built by Jerry and Phil spanning Truckin' and The Other One is so beautiful. For me among the top highights of the tour! And the show is a favorite of mine, high consistency.

Yes! I love that show too and agree it's a bit underrated (if that's possible). Another slightly underrated show I go back to a lot is Newcastle (4/11 I believe). Man, just so many gems in that run.

I don't think they'll reissue FW 1969 Complete. They risk breaking their word, and they're still marketing current product as limited / numbered editions. I've said this before - I think a significant percentage of Dead sales is to resellers. If the resellers start to feel like their investment is no longer safe, they're going to stop buying Dave's Picks and other box sets in large quantities. And for what? Another 10K of Fillmore West 1969? And besides, who knows what the demand really is. Sure a lot of us are talking about it. I would like one. But we're a very small percentage of the market. And then there's that "Best Of Fillmore West" 3 CD set. How many of those did they press? How many did they sell? No idea, but there are over 600 in the Warehouse at the moment. Maybe they only pressed 15K of those and never sold them all off. You have to assume anyone who didn't get a Complete 4 show set would have bought the Best of the West. I just don't think they feel the numbers are there to warrant breaking their word and jeopardizing future sales.

With the recent new interest in the Dead, post 50th anniversary and the popularity of Dead and Co, I believe they could easily sell out another 10k units of FW'69 quickly. Like I said in my last post, they haven't followed the original advertisement for the Dave's Picks series, insinuating a broad career spanning archive. Who cares if the resellers and those who got duped into paying too much for them second hand complain. Not a dime of that money will go back to the Dead and those working for them. Nobody seemed to mind the re-releasing of material from Hundred Year Hall and Rockin' the Rhein (and even the re-releases of those have sold out). Heck, make it a FW'69 and Ark box combined. Kill two birds with one stone so-to-speak.

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the consideration is whether or not repeated breach of "we're never going to re-release this stuff again" is going to affect future sales of other limited edition stuff significantly. And if buyers who purchase multiple copies account for a significant number of sales (50%), that will inhibit resellers from buying as much product. if there's one thing to be certain on, it's that they've done the math and have decided not to re-release it yet. besides, there's a vast difference between saying something is limited numbered edition this time only ever, and whatever it was that made you think you'd be getting more 80s selections in Dave's Picks. Cats and dogs. nogga...nogga...noggonna happen

Stoltzfus take a chill pill dude and put down the thesaurus. I in my own way was complimenting your dad since if you're able to extrapolate from our comments I was advocating keeping your word and you called me dad. Do the math.Now Dick's picks vinyl 8. Omg, I haven't listened to all of it but from what I've listened to Brookvale has done an incredible job. There are a lot of haters when it comes to vinyl, just go to the discussions. And that's ok but for we who love vinyl this one's a joy Jerry 10 if you haven't gotten this one yet do so. 2 1/4 hours of beautiful Jerry. I just wish they would release more faster. To be honest the last 3 or 4 years of the Dead got to be such a chore that while I still did all the local shows sometimes it was more work than fun. At the same time seeing Jerry a dozen times a year was pure joy

I just can't help thinking it's about getting in on the release than having the music. I mean you don't know someone who has it or a copy? Over the years I've make a couple for friends. As for the morality of copying this there is a difference between the pirating of an ongoing release say the 50th of Captain Trips and copying a limited release's music. The difference of course is the producers artists etc. will not be losing a dime since if their honest no more will ne made. So the vehemence about reissue is not missing out on the music but missing out on the cool collectable. Hell maybe 50 posts ago someone offered to help out anyone who wanted the misic

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Only to the young. Hey you kids! Get offa my lawn! :]>

The Dead are hot now with their recent 50th anniversary and ongoing Dead & Co touring. Free the FW69 reels! Spread the love to the young ones. Perhaps their greatest and trippiest tour ever. Could care less about marketvalue or whatever BS the hoarders are pushing... When I buy a box, I rip the CDs and the box goes in my closet. (Why not give the boxes away--because I give the music to anyone who asks me or might be interested.) Wonder how many of these FW69 "limited edition" boxes are sitting gathering dust somewhere right now. Damn shame, IMHO. Maybe Cosmic Charlie can post the tunes u know where if you're listening.... Someone please save a copy for the Deadhead retirement home we'll all be tripping at in a few years as well. Good tunes for the pillow and herbs room.

Snafu has a point. Indeed I have a vague recollection of sharing a copy many years ago to help out a regular participant here. What was the name? Galaxy Comrade or something similar perhaps? Or maybe it was just a dream.

Off topic a bit but as I consider grabbing this DP8 vinyl set I'm curious, when do we usually start hearing about Record Store Day exclusives? It's quickly approaching.

I also don't think FW Complete will be re-released. Do I want it to be re-released? No. I paid $450 for mine because I've been told by Rhino it will never be released again. If they start re-releasing stuff that they sold us on as limited edition, everyone who has paid high prices on the secondary market is going to lose faith in Rhino and stop buying. Or at least a good chunk. I would. If you sell something as a collectible, then it's a collectible. Do I care about market value? Yes, I paid $450 for mine. If I'm ever strapped for cash and need to sell it, I will be pissed if Rhino undermines my good faith purchase in a collectible. Will they do it? I'd like to hope not. I'd like to believe it's too risky for Rhino in terms of the "buy it now, buy it fast, because it's not going to be around long" marketing strategy. The music itself is plenty available to anyone who wants it, as pointed out by others. There's absolutely no argument that they're preventing people from hearing these great shows by not re-releasing it. If you want it, pony up. And enjoy the fact that your Dave's Picks are going to be worth something down the road beyond their musical value (like baseball cards). I think they treaded a dubious line with Get Shown The Light when they announced a music only edition 4 days after selling out the numbered edition. That was some planned shenanigans

the people who don't want limited stuff to be restocked are probly people selling stuff on ebay lmao

Thanks for the reminder of "Get Shown The Light" and the E'72 steamer trunk. Those were also advertised as limited affairs that became available as "music only" editions, only after demand exceeded expected sales. One could just as easily make the argument on behalf of the original purchasers of the 7,200 steamer trunks and 15,000 GSTL packages and how changing the goalposts affected the monetary secondhand value of those (for people who worry about making a buck.....not to say that necessity can dictate what one sells, in the case of needing to pay for emergency circumstances). Same with the Dave's Picks series. You advertise something by flashing dates from 30 years of music, you either stick with that original plan, or change it. They changed plans on so many releases, that they might as well do it with the 900 pound gorilla in the room that is FW'69. Sure, many people are kind enough to make copies for those of us who missed out. It's a cool gesture and much appreciated, but the agreement has always been that if reprinted, a purchase would be made so the band and those working for them would benefit. For me, it's always about supporting the cause within my capacity to do so. The best bet in any cirmustance regarding the "limited edition" model is to either always stick with the plan on everything, or change the plans on everything. To stick with plans on some, but not others is in my opinion a disservice to the customer base....regardless of ones favorite era or how much monetary value one thinks they might get out of the back end.

sorry for any confusion. Seriously, i was popping my stress zit at someone else. i will take your advice and take a chill pill. or a chill inhalation or 5.

I'm not selling on ebay and I don't want them re-issuing stuff. I'd rather have my Dead Collection worth 4 - 5 x more because it's a collectors item. Space, I honestly think the lack of 80s in Dave's Picks is aimed directly at you. Way too much thought going into it. If there's a buck to made they'll do it. They haven't done it with FW '69, so they clearly don't see the value on their end, either up front or in terms of losing business by reneging on the one time only slogan. Nothing against Rhino, but it's a business first, and they're going to do what makes the most money long term. 10K units of Fillmore West probably doesn't pay for the Christmas party and hookers, so why screw up your relationship with a fanbase that has loyally returned time and again to get their collectible numbered Dave's Picks or box set? (not to mention the Christmas party and hookers). They're not going to alienate the majority to satisfy a few. It would be here if there were dollars in it, but they're pencil pushers ain't seeing it, and they've seen well clear to a 33% increase in Dave's Picks production since year 1. It is what it is. Next topic.

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