Grateful Dead

it's been a while. where dat Greek box at, Dave?

I heard an nhpr promotional spot giving away 2 tickets to San Francisco on the way home today. In the background was a Donna era Estimated Prophet! I feel a rabbit hole is nigh.

Just an observation that may or may not apply to the discussion on reissuing "limited edition" GD music. I have maybe 200 bootleg Hendrix CDs (go figure) that obviously weren't numbered -- actually, a few seem to be -- but are all exceedingly rare at this point, as the booters printed a run, sold 'em and ffffttt, off to the shadows with their dough. I probably paid $20 to $30 a disc over the years in the '80s and '90s. Much of the music is not available elsewhere, though some boots have been superceded by official releases. This collection's value today? Zilch, apparently. Naturally, as the proud owner, I think they should have some value as artifacts illustrating the history of Hendrix bootleg CDs, at the least. In fact, a few of the rare official pressings retain some market value -- perhaps that's the only helpful analogy to the GD issue under discussion. But there seems to be a nosedive in value for physical product as it gets copied, circulated and the world moves on from physical product. (Which I detest. One still needs a hard drive or a cloud and both are subject to failure.) It's easy to see that the discussion here really focuses on the credibility between seller and buyer, with the after-market value still relevant as we see the crazy #s on ebay. I guess my point is, don't put too much faith in after-market value, because that balloon can pop unexpectedly.

I don’t see the harm in releasing limited edition stuff as a download only. That way people can get the music if they want it and Rhino won’t be compromising their position on the limited edition/collectible thing. The only thing is - and I think that this is with the FW69 box only - they might not have the rights to those shows anymore. I think that I read about a partnership or something like that they entered with another party that prohibits them from releasing those shows in any format. I probably need to be fact checked though. They could release other out of print stuff as downloads though... I haven’t missed much but I would certainly buy downloads of anything that I did.

By all means, get it! #0328 just got here, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Great packaging, and as usual Jeffrey Norman did an excellent job at mastering. Went straight to Viola Lee Blues, and was not disappointed, noticed right away Phil having more presence(neighbors noticed too-you gotta' play this one LOUD), great sound! Cannot wait for DPv 10 & 12.

I'm one of the lucky 10,000 few who own Box FW, but I'd in a heartbeat purchase a re-Normanization. I'd, of course, hold on to my numbered box for sentimental reasons. Happy 28th, February, 1969.

...arrived in my mailbox today. I love going to the mailbox and finding a Dead-related item in there, it's like Christmas morning. Into disc two now, a great-sounding mix and Jerry is all over his guitar neck. Being in Hawaii it's clearly one of his more healthy later periods. Often times when listening to JGB I forget I'm not listening to the Grateful Dead. The biggest difference I guess is the bass is more in the pocket, less the Phil Zone. No knock on either style. Being a guitarist myself of course my ear is always bent toward whatever Jer is doing. It's a testament to his musical integrity that he basically plays the same in both bands. And his vocals are strong, strong on this release! Yes. The pain and strain to come in his singing only a couple years later is nowhere to be found here. Some of those 1970s JGB shows, all they really do is play the framework of the song, and then everyone takes a long solo (keys, bass, guitar) and a five-minute cover version turns into a fifteen-minute jam. It's actually all good, I totally dig it. Thank God Jerry's insatiable appetite for playing live and paying for his Persian drove him to this secondary thing. As they say, it is what it is.

Not talking specifically about FW69, but a reprint, 2nd pressing, etc. never downgraded the value of the original artifact; the reissue of the Beatles Butcher cover, for example, did not alter the value of the original; the Dead's 1st LP, original pressing from '67 still holds its value in spite of the vinyl reissues of both Mono and Stereo versions(mono's the way to go for this one, btw)Same thing for CD's, a limited 1st run will always hold its value, I think...I hope!

I buy these releases for the music, which sounds better than the torrent copies if available, and to have it pressed on a thin film of metal.Future value never factors into the purchasing decision. I want the music. Resellers, scalpers, speculators will be pissed off if a ‘Limited Editon’ is re-released. Fans of the music will rejoice. How many people here would not subscribe to Dave’s Picks 2019 or 2020 if FW69 was remastered and released? Probably a few resellers, but not all of them. As long as I can afford it, I will keep buying these releases, Limited or unlimited.

yeah icecream I buy mine because I want the music as well. i'm totally fine with reissuing stuff so it can get back out there. if that means re sellers cant sell it for a jacked up price *shrugs*. I mean people trade out and make copies of out of print stuff all the time so good luck unloading a box set for thousands of dollars only cuz it has backstage pass reprints..that are stickers..or a pin. reprinting limited things wont stop sales for dave's picks or box sets. cuz deadheads out there will buy any thing that's associated with the band, case in point Merl Saunders & and Jerry Garcia Band at the Vogue in Indianapolis...and people are going to that lmao. I didn't care that get shown the light had a music only version after the limited edition sold out. because holy shit the big four was out. and the only thing that makes it a "collectors item" was a book...that you can buy individually at amazon. and there are copies of the limited get shown the light sold for high prices. when you can just go purchase the music only version and then go to amazon and buy the book. it's called Cornell '77: The Music, The Myth, and the Magnificence of Grateful Dead's Concert at Barton Hall right now for 17 bucks.

2/28/73 morning dew. Get some. Still one of my favorites

February 28, 1973http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/02-28-1973 Salt Palace Salt Lake City, Utah While there is much that is very good in here, including a wonderful TLEO and He's Gone in the first set, other parts do not quite seem to reach the outer limits that we know the band is capable of. For instance, the Sugaree is good but not earth-shattering. And, the China> Rider, despite a funky little jam before the transition, does not plumb the full depths of those two tunes. The second set of this show ends with Promised Land, Truckin'> Other One> Eyes> Morning Dew, Sugar Magnolia and then a We Bid You Goodnight encore. Sadly, none of the recordings that are out there seem to capture the entirety of it with the exception, of course, of Dick's Picks Volume 28. Even with the Dick's Picks, you still need to lay your hands on the album because those missing tunes are "album only" on the MP3 download off Amazon. The Dick's Picks is definitely worth hunting down as it is those last few tunes that turn this into something truly special that, I imagine, made Dick Latvala want to send it out into the world from the Vault.

In defense of the Jefferson Airplane, I'd say that they actually did plenty of jamming in comparison to most of the other bands from around that time and place, with some songs that almost always went over 10-12 min, and several other examples of even longer improv jams etc. The Airplane also changed up their setlists, adding new songs and covers more often than alot of other groups. The airplane also had songs (Dresses too short, Bear Melt, Mau Mau etc) that they would often stretch out in a rave up style similar to Turn on Your Lovelight. They for sure weren't the Dead, but most those bands like Country Joe, Quicksilver, the Blues Project, It's a Beautiful Day etc did some occasional extended jams. Unfortunately one often has to seek out, obtain and be willing to listen to actual bootlegs/audience recordings of full shows to hear alot of these unique jams and extended versions, because there aren't alot of specific examples of them on youtube (you can find some full shows) or through official releases(there's not alot available). Songs I'd recommend for longer airplane jams would be 'Other side of this life', 'Ballad of Pooneil', 'Thing', 'Fat Angel', 'Wooden Ships', and you can also find some good ones that are just entitled "jam". Here's a example of the Airplane jamming a song live in 1968, which is my favorite year for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmS0KD2QwKc And here is a great jam with Jerry and the Airplane and some members from Santana's percussion line, possibly Mickey as well. Jerry really taps into that 69 Dark Star sound at various points which sounds unique in this context, with Jorma really propeling the jam and taking some great lead spots. There are distinct sections and its all improvised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xcGJrf-Q8

I buy these releases for the skeletons with beards. This thread seems to be suffering from a multi-personality disorder at the moment, which is fine. I am drawn to the anniversary hype and what these shows do to the ears and minds of the beholders. I am mildly amused by some of the rest. I'm half tempted to steer the conversation to something less controversial like religious cults and why you should join one now, family planning techniques or Hitler, the worlds greatest philanthropist. Softer topics that warm the heart. Good stuff mostly.. it is all about the music and I guess the culture fun and prankish comradery. What a great month for GD History. Edit: Oh, love Dicks Picks 28.. it's another great twofer. I wonder if I will still be alive when this comes out on vinyl?

Totally agree Dave. The end of this show sets it on fire. This Dew has always hit me. Jer takes it to the next level. Love the way the guitar sets the mood at the end. Jerry’s guitar had wings and this one takes off. It continues into the sugar mag and he’s totally into the bid you goodnight so is Phil. Just a cool show. 45 years ago tonight.

I'm one of those old fuddie-duddie Gen X'ers who bought LPs when i was a kid and still enjoys having the "Real McCoy" item. And best retail CD sound quality, of course. If you are happy with lossy streams/mp3's and earbuds then: Good on you. Just so happens CDs sound the best. That's just the way it is. I have plenty of storage space so it's a WIN/WIN. If i was ever financially forced to sell, i'd be chuffed to just break even money wise. In fact i just bought DiP 6 (dunno why i slept on it for so long) which only leaves 27 missing from my Dick's Picks retail collection. And for the poster with all the Hendrix bootlegs: I'm sure you'd do just fine on ebay or discogs if you wanted to resell. (Might have to work fast due to the unlicensed music though.) As long as i keep my good job and good health, i will continue to buy retail CDs. Killer music and vintage audio gear is my life's one true passion. No kids. No wife anymore. No flash car payments. No regrets.

I agree people like us will continue to get our Dave's Picks subscriptions and new box sets whether they re-release the old stuff or not. But the resellers would stop buying in bulk quantity if all of the releases are just going to be re-issued in a few years. That's why Dick's Picks are not nearly as expensive on ebay. And re-issues do hurt resellers. Just look at how much the original Road Trips came down in price on ebay, after Real Gone started selling the re-issues. So for example if Dave's Picks started being re-issued by Real Gone, the 18,000 Dave's Picks manufactured is not going to maintain those quick sellouts, or continue to grow (I think somebody said 33% since 2012). Resellers probably account for at least 25% of the overall Dave's Picks sales. Rhino isn't going to rock that boat for 10K in old Fillmore West sets. Get shown the light - that's the instance where they basically screwed the resellers on the "limited edition" sales pitch, by releasing the exact same set a week later, but with no book. They do that enough times, the resellers will wise up, and then maybe it's only one box set a year. Yikes. So I'm fine with resellers. It stokes overall sales and keeps my new Dead tunes coming El rapido.

I myself would prefer one box set a year. because we all pretty much spent roughly 300 dollars in one year for a dave's picks sub, get shown the light and RFK. honestly I would prefer more mini box sets like RFK. the bigger they are the less likely I can get one and then i'm at the mercy of someone sending me digital an ALAC copy like with 30 Trips and Europe '72. and its not like I'm sitting around mooching off people I have bought every box set barring winterland '77 and and subscribed to to Dave's Picks since Dave's 13. but you know I cant buy them all. I don't know if I can get the one this year or not cuz if it costs more than the $160 bucks I have saved from holiday gift money I'm flat out fucked. I keep my box sets in the original mail box they come in even if they are gathering dust because computers can crash and external hard drives can get wiped out. which I would be crestfallen cuz my 30 Trips is all digital and it took me a whole summer and fall to get those.

I would like to say that I do not buy these releases strictly for the music. The truth of the matter is I always buy several copies and make coasters and bong bases out of the extras. I assure you there's nothing more pleasurable then setting down a Redbreast on Dave's Picks Vol. 1 Disc 1. To see those spacey light saber skeletons and the Star Wars artwork as I pick up my glass for a sip of premium Whiskey, is topped only by the slow gurgling of a hit off a homemade bong topped with Blue Dream, as I look down at the cool teal disc from 2/28 that says Fillmore West. Life is good. Had I realized their worth, I would have made a lot more.

Agree on more mini boxes and less monster boxes. I can only assume Boxzilla was a vast and hugely successful conspiracy orchestrated by a divorce attorney think tank and lobbying group in DC.

Is April 21. They are starting to announce stuff now. Zep is releasing a 7" with 2 unreleased songs. There's sure to be more to come soon. Without trying to start something rsd is where the 2nd market comes in handy for me. I work Saturdays so I have to ebay the stuff I really want. I don't really resent it but I think it would turn the heat down a bit if they limited sales to rsd and ltd eds. to say 5. A few are ok This year I bought 2 Dave's extra one for my next gen deadhd nephew who is a Deadco fan but really wasn't into the GD until the sub and is hearing the range minus of course the 80's. Speaking of 80's for me some of the best shows I saw in that decade and with a double caveat emptor would make a great box set was the fall northeast tour of 83. They did release 1 as a dick's and 1 in 30 trips but there are another dozen plus that are superb.Hendrix freak I feel your pain back in the 90's I bought 65 shows bootleg. I do think that one of the reasons they and other boots have crashed in value is the quality was often crap and collectors are becoming more discerning now. Soltzus here's a place I think we can agree on judging from your posts. I'm a Zappa Freak and have been for 50+ years. I have everything he has ever released. The one problem with FZ releases is unlike the Dead his shows were very visual and you loose something just listening. Final housekeeping point. A lot of people here refer to Rhino as a business that makes decisions based solely on the dollar. While obviously they are a business which means the bottom line there's more to them than that. Even though they have become part of the Warners conglomerate they still retain something of their original mission. They were/are music lovers and while they naturally want dinero there's the love of music and pride in giving people something special. I know I'm glad they've put out all those collections from the Reprise Fugs to The Rascals Box the special Butterfield live double and the great Doors shows. Rhino Handmade was something special

that's one expensive ass coaster as Dave's 1 is always up for a thousand dollars. but vguy in here I believe actually got 1-4 at a flea market for exceptional price. so theres always flea markets and possibly used stores probly cuz someone chucked out someone's belongings or someone couldn't make the storage bill or got evicted from an apartment and just didn't know what they had of worth.

I live in the middle of nowhere.. so travelling to a record store takes all day and $50 bucks round trip in gas. I get all mine either from a particular RS owner whom I have a relationship with or via the secondary market. It's funny, I think Dennis wrote about this earlier in the day, I have a turntable but moved into a smaller house six years ago.. so I have not set it up yet. One day I will though... and I try to keep up on them as best I can. One other comment, as a reply or in support of snafu's Rhino comment. I hear a lot of people putting Rhino (and dead.net) in the category of cashing in on the almighty dollar. Sort of a sell-out of sorts. Add up the expected gross revenue in a year (which is easy to do) and create some realistic estimates for royalties (yes, the artists should get a reasonable cut), then add in estimates for production costs (knowing this is outsourced), Norman's cut, Plangent Processing costs for the year, Dave's cut, Dave's healthcare and short term disability for injuries sustained filming his seaside chats, Rhino's cut, estimates for warehousing and distribution, the cost of outfitting MaryE with a new bicycle four times a year for delivery, add in healthcare and tax.. oh, and set aside say 10% for profit and overhead which is a low estimate. If you took the time to add reasonable estimates for each bucket, there is no pot of gold here at all.. just an idea that allows for a small few to pay their bills and perhaps put their kids through college. Just my opinion.. but this is less a money grab and more a mom and pop operation that might just have a heart and soul. Again, my opinion, I could be wrong.

Off that "Complete Live Rarities Collection." Nothing will ever be complete with this band... no offense to the completist. Thing was worth the money, though I probably had most of it. I don't know. Just like I signed up like a sucker for that oncoming, "Best Repackage You Can Pay For Again" coming out soon. I said yes to that request thing y'all (seriously?) got behind because 1973 or whatever was a good year just like most of the rest. And I'll play along. As a registered D______, I signed some hippie's petition on a clipboard for some feelgood politician in front of the public library - today. Just trying to help his day along, like offering the fiver to the homeless person. I try to be nice. It's complicated. Complicated like how Verizon had millennials outside this rad pizza joint I frequent where I can order online and blast in and emerge, unscathed, and enjoy my pie. They wanted to sell me their goddamn (insert here, blah blah blah) fucking phone plan today at lunch. Anyone else hate running the gauntlet of just wanting to enter a business, give money and leave without having to deal with parasites outside the entrance? Don't tell me about pitying those who worked the shit jobs. I've had a plum one now for 20 years, running things - but I earned it; I've been a janitor, phone annoyer, newspaper boy and fire damage mitigator. I've walked that shit mile in those shoes. Pretty funny, the energy some focus onto these boards, like, as if, in the next master planning session at Rhino HQ, some bigwig is gonna go, "well, I have it on good authority that some of the prominent posters on Dead.net would really like a reissue of the 1969 box. That's good for over one hundred units sold right there!" Something horrible came on, and I changed it to, "A Horse With No Name." later

Jim yeah I imagine that boxset was the cause of many heated arguments at home lol. and I also imagine it probly was the cause for bad or ruined credit. I just cant imagine everyone being able to just plunk down 800 dollars I think plenty of people went and bought it on a credit card knowing full well they couldn't afford it. people buy cars they can't afford why not a box set? so I'm begging them to please, pleeaaaase for the love of god just do a mini box this year.

And i raise with Mt. Hood Magic. It is one helluva good tyme to be a picky Audiophile Dead Head and alive.

I suppose I'm grateful to be able to afford all the GD releases with all the millions Rhino and George Soros give me to post on this site and join protests all across the country.

The title is meant as a joke. In all the posts on FW '69 and the secondary market 1 point hasn't really been discussed. Many people including many on this site are collectors of something be it stamps coins baseball cards etc. The fact that they want ltd. eds. to stay ltd for retaining value doesn't make them evil. In addition to it being a moral deficiency for a company to go back on its word and make more it's a contractual violation. As a stamp collector I pay huge premiums for stamps on ebay or a stamp collectin store and have no problem with that. Getting to the specifics of '69 for those who claim it's about access to the music getting a digital copy is hardly an issue and will sound the same. But I can't help but believe with those loudly complaining it may be the music but equally important is wanting what I bought with a specific promise 13 years ago. Ask a friend to make you a copy, buy it on ebay-the greatest thing for collectors ever- or deal with it. Your trashing of people who are collectors and expecting people who do a great job providing us a great product to go back on their word is getting old.

Or too soon? A much more fun topic for discussion than PTSD GoGD FOMO.

Whenever a new tour was announced I never had the funds to do mail order. So what did I do? What every irresponsible early 20-something would do, I did a cash advance on a credit card, bought a postal money order, and mailed it to GDTS.When it was finally time for the shows I also didn’t have the funds to go, so I charged everything to my credit card. By the time Jerry died I had close to $10k in debt. TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!!!!!! Took a long time to pay off, but no regrets. Without that irresponsible fiscal behavior I would not have been able to see Jerry and the Boys. The effect those experiences had on my life is priceless. Not saying that you should run yourself into debt for a Box set, it’s not the same as GDTS mailorder.

I don't do credit cards. hey if it was worth it to you then congrats. not something i'd do lol. as far collector stuff I mean I never sit back and look at my box sets and think "this is worth money" I usually look at them with personal value. I would like to own physical copies of missing shows almost all but one was my fault for not owning I passed on a lot them. cuz I was not into certain years like 76 or '80. or wasn't into the band at the time, and didn't understand the limitations of 2 track recordings thinking oh they slacked off on mixing these aren't worth buying anymore. but anyways I would buy them but most are like 300 dollars per show roughly and 300 dollars is 3 years worth of dave's picks. so its like buy one show and possibly miss out on dave's picks for 4 possibly more amazing releases.... i'll stick with the unknown than the known in this case. but anyways you know you're listening to too much post brent when you put in dave's 3 and think its amazing stuff. but it does have a really good Other One i'll finally admit that.

Grateful DeadFamily Dog at the Great Highway San Francisco, CA March 01, 1970 https://themidnightcafe.org/2018/01/22/lossless-bootleg-bonanza-gratefu… Download: FLAC/MP3 Recording Info: SBD Master Reels -> Dat (Panasonic 3700) > Transfer Info: Delta DiO 2496 sound card > HD > CD-R > Mastering Info: HD > CD WAV > Cool Edit > Trader’s Little Helper 2.7 > xACT 2.35 FLAC 8 (2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC) Mastering by Seth Kaplan (alligator69@optonline.net) March 25, 2015 Disc 1 1.Big Boy Pete * 4:14 2.Morning Dew 9:47 3.Hard to Handle 6:09 4.Me and My Uncle 3:30 5.Cryptical > 1:58 6.Drumz > 3:48 7.Other One > 10:15 8.Cryptical//reprise > ** 8:45 9.Black Peter 9:12 10.Beat It On Down the Line 3:30 11.Dire Wolf 4:26 Disc 2 1.Good Lovin’ > 1:46 2.Drumz > 3:28 3.Jam > 5:01 4.Good Lovin’ 2:04 5.Cumberland Blues 6:27 6.King//Bee *** 8:09 7.China Cat Sunflower > 4:57 8.I Know You Rider 4:58 9.Uncle John’s Band 7:27 Notes: -This is as complete a SBD as is available on the master and eliminates the cassette generation present in previously circulating versions of this show -Missing from Disc 1: New Speedway Boogie Jam/soundcheck, Casey Jones (before Big Boy Pete) -Missing from Disc 2: Dancin’ In The Streets, It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue (after Uncle John’s Band) -These AUD only tracks are not included here but are available on shn ID # 4641 to supplement the SBD Thanks to anonymous for the discs.

The Olympics (appropriate), 1960. Played eight times (as far as we know). I get a kick out of the 78 and 85 versions. 11/29/66- The Matrix - San Francisco, CA 12/01/66- The Matrix - San Francisco, CA 09/06/69- Family Dog at The Great Highway - San Francisco, CA 12/31/69- Boston Tea Party - Boston, MA 03/01/70- Family Dog at The Great Highway - San Francisco, CA 09/20/70- Fillmore East - New York City, NY 11/17/78- Loyola College - Chicago, IL 11/21/85- Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland, CA But it's a 60's tune, here's the first time we know of it was played (thanks archive and Youtube).

....First. I vote for not re-releasing FW '69. I don't have it, but I would be a little peeved if I did and they did. Doesnt keep me up at night.Second. Blue Dream. Some of the best. Relaxes the body, jump starts the mind. Trust me on that. Third. GDTS. I cash advanced on credit cards as well. Even cashed in a savings bond my parents gave me to see some shows. No regrets. But don't tell Mom. (Dad is hopefully in line to see Jerry, Orbison, and three of the Bee Gees). Fourth. Midnight Cafe is sweeeeet. Fifth. E72 is extra special because of McKernan. Sixth. Need to get caught up on D&C. Caught a few songs live, but hockey. I can only multitask so much. Seventh. I didn't get Dave's 1-4 at a flea market. Subscribed since day one. Eighth. I used to collect comics. Have 13 long boxes worth from 1978-1993. Got too expensive. Every Superhero movie that breaks records just increases their value to me. I also have two inaugural bronze pucks they gave away at the Golden Knights home opener. One just sold on eBay for $202.50. Ninth. Stolzfus cracks me up. Tenth. The Main Ten. As you were.... ....edit. Eleventh. The Eleven. Twelfth. Where the hell is the new box announcement? Thirteenth. Black Sabbath 13. Final release. Good stuff there....

I dunno it seems to me it not so much as "oh the collector's value Is ruined " as it is more a case of "I bought something I didn't want at the time but did anyway cuz it was limited edition and felt pressured"? I just say that cuz I have fillmore west. and it wouldn't bother me at all if it got re issued physically or digitally. I understand in keeping some things limited they cant afford to keep EVERYTHING in print at all times. that's waay too many shows. but maybe print more copies so that they stay around longer than what they do. and then announce hey these are gonna sell out cuz we're done with this shit like they did with road trips.

I never thought about whether any of these releases were of value to collectors or anyone other than me.. since One From the Vault in 93.. I just got them pretty much the day there were announced. Put me in the category of feeling very fortunate to be able to afford them, although 2015 made me wiggle.. I think it was the Freak Brothers than said Dope will get you through times of no money better than Money will get you through times of no weed. The same is true with Grateful Dead.

Dead of the Day: March 1, 1969http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/03-01-1969 Fillmore West San Francisco, California On this night, the Dead began their first set by blasting into a Cryptical sparking what is arguably the best Other One suite ever. From there, the New Potato Caboose starts out slow but gathers tremendous momentum with Jerry painting some beautiful streaks across the sky before ending the tune on a ferocious note. The Doin’ That Rag - a wonderful psychedelic trip of a song - that follows is another first set standout, surely working the crowd into a writhing mass of dancing hippies. A Cosmic Charlie closes out the first set, beginning in its calliope fashion before exploding into pure frenetic energy. The second set begins a little slower before coming to that monumental Dark Star, which takes off like an exploratory spaceship, slowly clearing the stratosphere and then setting off in search of other worlds. Coming back down to earth, the Saint Stephen erupts in splendor, rollicking through the William Tell bridge into the Eleven in the midst of explosions of joy. The band then switches gears, gaining power without giving up speed as Pigpen asserts himself with a smoking, blues-filled Lovelight. Oh yeah, not to be overlooked, there is also a phenomenal Hey Jude encore that the Dead nail. The unbelievable music makes for nothing less than an incredible night.

Looks really tasty though. And i'd love to own it, but the after-market prices are a bit steep. Over ~$60 per disc seems a bit nutty even to me. The 3CD set & Live/Dead will have to do, i guess. The 30T Dream Bowl discs are really sweet too. A Full Norman Boston Ark 4/69 Box Set would make me forget all about it, tbh.

Everything JimInMD said in this post sums it up perfectly for me.

well liberty caps they really aren't worth 60 bucks a disc. or any other limited product sold on ebay for that matter. they are sold at "perceived value" which is different from the actual value of a product. gold is worthless it serves no purpose. but because people want it cuz other people want it, It has "perceived value" and its expensive. so I mean if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for.

....I didn't sell a puck. "A" puck sold for that.

Agreed. It's in the eye of the beholder. I paid $362 shipped to my door for the MAY 1977 2013 Box Set a month or two ago. Pens out to $26 per disc. The package and booklet are GSTL Ltd. Ed. level too. The shows all have that lovely, aquatic/lyseric jazzy cool Betty Board reverb that just does it for me and my Genalex Gold Lion KT88 output tubes. Def my fave era of the band. It's like they were listening to alot of Steely Dan and/or chasing the Dragon in the tour bus between that run of shows. (That's a good thing imho, Lols.)

It never fails to amaze me the economic illiteracy that's out there and I'm not just talking about posts here. The price something sells for is its value at that moment not perceived. It could change in a day but at the moment of sale it mpst assuredly is worth that. The basis involves many things. The classic where I live is the price of housing. Houses on the peninsula in the Bay Area are starting at 700,000 minimum. I hear usually frpm non homeowners or people from elsewhere they're not wprth that much. Of course that's absurd since if I price something that the market will bare it won't sell, pretty simple. And addressing the perceived perspective they not only continue to rise but even during the worst of the real estate crash they selling prices took a momentary small dip then flattened out and within a year started rising. At each point along the way the price a house sold for eas its real value. Now as I said there are many thing that impact real npt perceived value. You live in an area where the industrial base collapses -detroit- the real value decreases because demand for housing drops because people are leaving. Another cause of real value change are land use laws. In the Bay Area ther are huge areas of the Peninsula where home building is severely restricted raising the value of what's left.If they suddenly passed a law opening that land to full use the real value of ecosting would obviously crash. The pint os real reasons for real value.

To those who in response to my post on collectors say they never think of the value to other collectors or the market I understand but that just means your not a collector in the way I and most collectors define it. Not good not bad just irrelevant to the post. And to be honest "collectors" can be a little of both. My stamp collecting is 2 things to me. The value is definitely important but since I look at stamps as little works of art especially the older issues they have an aescetic value. As for GD releases it's much the same 1st comes the music but most definitely when I buy it as a ltd ed the collector in me thinks of the value appreciation. Too the younger members here how would you feel if some Michael Jordan special collectors sneaker was suddenly reissued dropping the value of your in the box etc etc sneaker by 75%

Reading through all these posts makes me glad I invested all my money in tulips. Their value will never go down.

perceived value: a customer's opinion of a product's value to him or her. It may have little or nothing to do with the product's market price, and depends on the product's ability to satisfy his or her needs or requirements.

Gold is one of the most important natural resources in the Earth. If you don't believe me look of the uses for gold in the sciences, engineering and computer science. Without gold the modern world and its technologies could not and would not exist. At this point in human history gold is invaluable and a limited resource so it will continue to increase in price. Thats why tech companies are looking into gold reclaiming methods from obsolete device. Recycling precious, conductive and non-reactive metals is an up and coming billionaire dollar business in developing nations right now. Unfortunately the poorest of the poor often do the labor and are exposed to toxins,carcinogens, and unsafe working conditions to bring us our electronic toys. Many Americans and "first-world" citizens still ignorantly benefit off the backs of the less fortunate. Its not just our clothes, running shoes, and soccer balls anymore.

You wrote "if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for." with all due respect,Your "argument" makes no sense and has no relevance to the discussion here. By your definition of "perceived value", nothing is worth anything (or everything is worth anything you want it to be). The discussion point here, is that the CD sets here are more valuable if they are no longer available at retail prices. $800 for Fillmore West or whatever the going price is, is not a perceived value it's the actual value. It's no different than the rookie Hank Aaron baseball card. It used to be worth the nickel you paid for the pack of cards, now it's worth much more because it's an old out-of-print collector's item. I think you were waxing Gestalt. Are we really here or do we just think we're here.....snafu's summary of stamp collecting is a good analogy too.

I guess the old economic addage still pertains here..."somthing is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it."People who collect buttons might pay ten grand for one if they perceive it is worth it to....them! The market place is a beautiful thing. This is how we figure out what the traffic will bare for a "thneed." Don't you just love capitalism! When my pipe carver friend, in Turkey, gives ma a price for carving "another" Grateful dead pipe I either accept it or not. At this time I have never said...no! If I told you what I have paid for hand carved Garcia pipes you probably would tell me that I am a crazy old man. And..you'd probably be right. But...what is art worth? Again...the eyes of the beholder. So..I guess when you go on Ebay or some other site and find a cd/box set you have been looking at and the price seems, to you fair, hit the pay button. After all...you only live once! I am reminded of that every day as my old deadhead friends pass to the big concert in the sky. Life is to be enjoyed...like Garcia Volume 10, Dave's Picks 25, etc., etc., etc. Mr. Pete-------> aging hippie p.s. Al Di Meola's new cd...OPUS....is a nice break!

"End of May" Count your biscuits baby