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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • RobbZ
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    1989 Recommendation
    Not sure why, and probably listen to it a bit more than I should, but July 4th, Buffalo has always been a favorite of mine.
  • RobbZ
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    Sports?? I’ll watch/wager on just about any sport. However, I closely follow the NHL and College Football equally (viewing depends on who is playing whom on any given evening). Then the NFL, College Basketball, The NBA, Boxing (was the Mayweather-McGreggor fight boxing?) the CFL, and lastly Baseball. Now don't get me wrong about baseball because it's last on my list...I grew up in Cleveland, minutes from the old Municipal Stadium and watched & cheered many Indian greats such as Ray Fosse, Gaylord Perry, Lenny Barker, Albert Belle, Rick Manning, Mike Hargrove, Super Joe Charboneau, Buddy Bell, and Toby Harrah to name a few. Now a bit later in life, I just prefer a faster game, with an actual clock ending the game. I can't spend 5 or 6 hours watching a baseball game anymore....It's me, not you...LOL @The Outer One…I was actually tuned in last night to the opening of the CFL season, but that lightning delay lasted until I went to sleep. But you can bet I’ll be following the season this year as it progresses…including the Manziel saga in Hamilton. Johnny won me an ass-load of money when he played with A&M…I still talk about that Bama game…LOL @Vguy72…did you not mention the Knights/NHL in your sports post? Blasphemy!! I drove down from Utah three times last season to watch the Knights, would have gone more games but as the season progressed they got better and better and tix were getting expensive. In the mean time I watch the Utah Grizzlies…LOL
  • Thats_Otis
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    Happy Friday, DeadLand!
    Here's a little something special from this day in Grateful Dead history - 6/15/85 Greek Theater https://archive.org/details/gd85-06-15.oade-schoeps.sacks.24586.sbeok.f… The AUD sounds really nice too. Perhaps more famous is 6/15/76, which I am enjoying right now, but that 85 Greek show is something special! TONS of energy, and perhaps one of Garcia's finest ballad moments on "She Belongs to Me." His guitar solo is a thing of pure (American)beauty. Hope everyone has a great weekend! PS - Love all the chatter about July 78 Box. Arrowhead is my personal fave - just a compact, tight, smoking show! I also really like St. Paul... aww hell, they're all good! Peace
  • Oroborous
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    Thanks, another great story!
  • Oroborous
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    Right on 80sfan!
  • Oroborous
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    BASEBALL; I would of died for baseball when I was a lad, was a pretty good player too, varsity etc.. But like all sports I sadly watched money ruin the game....I was a huge Cardinals fan (used to listen to them on the mighty KMOX) Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Ted Simmons, Joe Torrey, yeah baby. Dug the Red Sox too, but such heartache. In Wesren NY most kids at the time were big Mets fans, or worse, ahem... So like most things I had to be different, the outcast, the other one! Probably a part of how I came to be a dead head and identified with all you weirdos; ) 89; personally parts of 89 into summer 90, before Brenski started to unravel, is one of my favorite eras. I know that’s contrary to the popular belief of a small but prevalent group on here, but don’t let that stop anyone from checking it out and coming up with your own conclusions.... Alpine for sure, Hampton, 10-16-89 is imho one of the best releases EVER! Philly was awesome, really wish they would get those out. When they played California Earthquake right after the Earthquake it was as good as any big moment in sports, trully powerful experience, at least live anyway. Not as familiar with the rest, of course the Miami DS etc.... EVIL TWIN; thanks so much for the stories! Please keep them coming. That’s perhaps my favorite part of this site; hearing great stories, especially from those who were there during those earlier glory years. 78 Box; even I dug it and I like that era less than some others, like??? Oh I don’t know like.... 73/74!!! So psyched for this new Box. Mostly enjoyed the “Mickey Godchaux” stuff of recent years, really liked the RFK, but I’m dam near Sh#&&ing myself waiting for this one! I’ve stated before I’m not a “taper” or obsessive collector like some. So that influences my wish list differently. I would like to get all the shows I was at, some other must haves or interesting wierd stuff, and I try to get at least copies of all the “official” stuff. Therefore I am not familiar with these shows and at first glance the set lists are perhaps meh? But thanks to all y’all’s comments about monster jams, and after watching Dave’s chat, well it got through my thick skull that these will be some real beauties eh! I mean Late 73 has always been one of my top, if not the top eras, I just wasn’t familiar with earlier stuff and though I like 4-3-73, it didn’t blow me away like say 10-19-73....(although that HCS and subsequent jam are sweet!) In fact how bout the rest of the late fall tour in a box? So there is always that awkward period like Ralphie in the Christmas story where he gets everything except that —“redriderbbgunwiththecompassinthestockandthisthingythattellstime” —when they release something I wasn’t at, but this time that lasted like 5 minutes. Now hopefully Dave’s 27 will come soon as a diversion, because I don’t know how I’ll survive until September! Yee-gads Thanks to Dave and all the gang who work so hard to bring us spoiled, whiney little be-atches all this amazing glory, especially the full led sonically enhanced stuff. And thanks to all y’all that help enlighten us dilatantes to the finer ports of these shows. Happy Friday All!!
  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    Had a salad for lunch yesterday. I didn't get to make it myself, but it was delicious. It was a total cash grab though. They didn't really care whether or not I liked the way the radishes were cut into those little swirly shapes. And the way the cashier pressed those buttons on the register with no elan, I could tell his heart and soul just wasn't in the transaction. I knew by then they were just in it for the money. I shook my head in disgust but proceeded to sit alone and eat the salad - even the radishes, in spite of it all.
  • Oroboros
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    But being a Midwesterner, I would point to the Alpine Valley run 7/17-18-19/1989, as an outstanding representation of the boys from that era. And my touring had reduced significantly with the arrival of my three sons, so my knowledge of this era is limited. And Robbz, you asked for another story (sorry cohorts who have heard this one, here it comes again) there is a 'prequel' to that 1978 story. Back in 1977, my girlfriend (now wife), myself, and two buddies decided to road-trip from Lincoln Nebraska to the Winterland for the New Year's Eve run of shows in San Francisco. I toted along with us a clay sculpture that I had made the prior year. It was a one and 1/2 foot (in circumference) dragon that was biting/consuming it's own tail. I had 'scraffitto' (carved designs) into the entire beast's 'hide' and then it was fired and stained. It was the biggest piece of clay sculpture that I have ever made. And I thought it would be fun to give it to the band on New Years. So away we go, get to the venue and secured tickets for the run (12/27-29-30-31-77). The shows were unbefuckinliveable and Winterland was such a great hall. But on the 31st, we were sitting on the sidewalk waiting for the doors to open, talking and watching the circus, ready to hurry and get in for the 'activities' ie. freak volleyball and Bill Graham was going to show us movies (Ray Bradbury's Illustrated Man and the original Beatles Magical Mystery tour) before that evening's show. I thought "I better try to unload the dragon aka 'Oroboros' now, it's heavy and I don't want to try to talk my way though the front gate with it." I spied a door that said 'Backstage' and began knocking on the door. No answer. The line of people on the side walk started getting up and moving toward the entrance. Banged even harder thinking "I've got to get this dragon in there so I can go in the front and join in before the show", and as I pounded harder, the door yanks open with a force that it yanks me into the doorway. This doorway is immediately filled with a gigantic black man in a red event t-shirt, who puts his hand on my chest and leans forward and bellows "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" Startled, I held out the dragon with both hands and stuttered "to give this to the band". The giant took it in his immense hand and his face curls into a grin as he held it closer to inspect it and I watched my dragon shrink to the size of a key chain. He exclaimed "Wow, what is this, I'd like one" and I explained "it's an oroboros and that is the only one there is." He grinned and said "Cool, who do you want me to give it to?" and I said "to Garcia, give it to Jerry Garcia." The giant disappeared as quickly as he appeared and the door slammed shut like the the first time Dorothy tried to get into the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. So, I happily gain entrance to the show and needless to say, it was something, 'freak volleyball' followed by the movies, Graham's copy of Bradbury's 'Illustrated Man' followed by a 16 mm Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour". The colorful/wonderful crowd, wonder gal 'rainbow' Rose with an eyedropper of liquid party favor "just one dollar per drop. On your tongue or for the adventurous, a drop in your eye". Oh, and when each person walked through the entrance the staff handed us a piece of paper that had a message about a "Good things come to those who wait, surprise at midnight" with steal your face logo. When you entered Winterland, you could go into the big 'hall' surrounded on all sides by an elevated balcony, (with theater seats). You could also go into a bar, which played some black and white videos on a 'big screen' taken from pro shots of the Winterland stage when Hendrix or Airplane or etc played. Very entertaining on many levels. Hey, the New Riders of the Purple Sage are starting, got to get in there, the sound is loud and they are rocking the house. Anticipation was high and the Dead came out for the first set. Our party favors are now starting to engage..., things began to sparkle, and the old Winterland venue takes notice, and her walls start to sweat and, then to sway with the strains of familiar music as the Dead coaxes this old hall to dance with us. This is such a delight, I know the vista cruiser is engaged and then I notice when the house lights went down, and the stage lights went dark in between songs, then I saw 'it'. On top of a monitor, in between Billy and Mickey, there was a flame, it was a white candle sitting in front of a dragon consuming it's tail. It was Oroboros, ON STAGE WITH THE DEAD! I watched as Jerry walked over and lit a cigarette off the candle next to the ceramic beast. They took a break and the surprise for the second half was Uncle BoBo (as Bobby liked to call Graham) dressed up as Uncle Sam on a motorcycle sliding down on a cable suspended high from the back of the hall (over us) to the stage. They put spotlights on him (as the Dead made appropriate musical anticipatory noise) and he approached the stage and it was hilarious. Because as Graham came to the stage, the weight of the bike and BoBo was too much. He and the bike were far below the lip of the stage, so the stage hands had to rush out and drag him onstage. Which triggered the explosion of Sugar Magnolia, complete with the dropping balloons. And flanking the Dead a gal and guy dressed in a diaper as the 'New Year' babies. I was 'sittin' on top of the world (Dead reference intended). What a night!! Hey if you pull up 'YouTube', type in Dead NYE show 1977- Fire on the Mountain video, and right at the end of Fire on the Mountain, the camera does zoom in on the 'oroboros' for a couple of seconds. RDevil here on Deadnet found that 'view' a couple of years ago and he clued me into it. And then I showed it to my 3 sons to demonstrate the old man is not full of beans or any other'brown material'. Anyway, what a treat that run in 1977 was. At many levels, the return of China Cat-Rider, my being able to 'gift' our band, who poured out so much to us. But unknown to me, the best would be yet to come. We walked out into the cool San Francisco early morning and drove through the fog back to Nebraska. This is not the end of the tale. Fast forward to 2-3-78 and another road trip to Madison, Wisconsin. The Dead were on a roll and this was really a killer show. That Cold Rain and Snow to start out and the tremendous second half with Estimated>Eyes>Wheel that will knock you into orbit. The next morning before I left the hotel, I got a wild hair and called the front desk and asked "Could I have Jerry Garcia's room please?" and the phone rang and Jerry answered! I said "Hey, I'm the guy that brought the dragon to the New Year's show" and Garcia immediately said "Meet you in the coffee shop in 20 minutes". I couldn't believe what was happening but stumbled into the coffee shop at the appointed time and looked around and saw Jerry Garcia seated at a table with a ravishingly beautiful raven-haired gypsy woman. I walked over and introduced myself, and 'shook the hand, that shook the hand, of PT Barnum and Charlie Chan'. Jerry beamed that smile and gestured and said "sit down, man". He asked me "How did you fire that dragon so that it didn't explode in the kiln?" and I explained how I had cut it in half and hollowed it out and then joined it back together. I told him how I had used a guitar string to 'halve it" and we locked eyes at that moment and he burst into laughter and I said "Ironic, huh?" and Jerry quipped "No, man that makes perfect sense." And then we laughed some more. Then the gypsy/beauty said "where are you from?" and I replied Nebraska. And she shot Garcia a glance and stated "he came all the way up here from Nebraska to see the band!" To which Jerry shrugged his shoulders and quickly retorted "we didn't ask him to come". Garcia looked over to me and we both howled with laughter again. No deadhead was she. We talked more about art and the dragon and I didn't know at that time of Garcia's interest and practice in art (this kind anyway). He was completely engaged in the topic of art, but quick witted with 'turn on a dime' twists, turns, and little commentaries on a variety of topics. Jerry was also focused on listening, not acting like he was the important one, giving me time and locked in on our discussion and talking about our shared interests. The gypsy woman frowned in disbelief as she asked me "You went out to San Francisco for New Years and then you came up to Wisconsin" and I said 'yes.' She looked perplexed. Then I turned to Garcia and asked him "Why don't you bring the circus back to Lincoln, Nebraska?" He quickly replied "You mean to Perishing Auditorium?" And I corrected him "No, it is Pershing Auditorium, after the army general" and he quickly retorted "No man, it was perishing, really!" And we both burst out laughing again. At that Lincoln, Ne. Dead show on 2-26-73, there were a bunch of drunk frat boys yelling 'boogie, boogie" at the top of their lungs.., but that show is top-notch! Anyway, I asked Garcia "could you bring the Dead back to Nebraska" and Jerry grinned that Cheshire cat grin and said "who knows?" I took my leave (their breakfast arrived) and drove home. Then that summer the Dead came back to Omaha, Ne. on 7-5-78, and I taped them with my NAK 550 in FOB, and followed them to their/my first Red Rocks shows. What a run! And now it is available in all its Plantagenet glory. I will always claim that Omaha show as mine. So that is my story, Jerry Garcia was totally gracious, engaging, enthusiastic, and kind to a deadhead who approached him at one moment in time. I know, I repeat myself, such is my lot in life at this juncture, but thought I would 'complete the circle' of this story. Anyway, sorry for the repeat, but 'looks like the old man is getting on'. Forgive me and give me a day and I will conjour up my account of my first show at the Des Moines fair ground in 1974 (which is more in line with this wonderful Northwest 73 & 74 offering). This era is when I first saw the Grateful Dead and was swept into an extraordinary adventure 'on the bus' and have been 'enjoying the ride'. "It ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, it is what I know for sure, that ain't so". -Mark Twain
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    New story to me...and much appreciated!
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    Fall tour is well documented with the Hampton shows, the Nightfall of Diamonds meadowlands show and the Miami 30 trips release...but the Spectrum run (10/18-10/20) is really excellent. 10/19 is one of my favorite shows of all time. Reach out if you'd like a copy...
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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... is meant to protect citizens from government action such as censorship. Private citizens (yes, corporations count) cannot violate your constitutional rights. On the other hand, scroll the troll is great advice and ... ... so what indeed about Gainesville Bolo!!!
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Actually outside of child pornography and even there they are very limited in what laws on porn they can have. Essentially there are no laws the government can pass to limit the freedom of speech/press. My fringe beliefs? Damn right baby. As for manning up try it, it feels good standing up for freedom. Unfortunately the snowflakes of the millennial generation may win this in the long run with their safe spaces shouting down those they disagree with trigger points and all the other fascist tools used to shut people up. And here's the nut while I admit to not seeing every post ( you see big boys and girls ignore stupidity) the posts we are discussing are about Charles Manson not sex which is what porn is. Don't bother trying to twist the kings English to incorporate Chucky's wierdness into some definition of porn, too transparent.As far as copyright my point was simple read slowly and it's ok to move your lips. You brought up copyright infringement and put words in my mouth claiming I was ok with it when my point easily understood by anyone with a 10 year old's reading comprehension I simply said you got your pants in a twist with something that happens here all day long and you click on them. Your problem is you have to go by some you don't like. Too bad that's the cost of freedom as someone sang long long ago. I don't like walking by the junkies boozeheads and other losers that's life
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Members agree to play by the rules. The rules are set by the site administrators. Piss enough members off and you get kicked out of the club. Let's not turn punk trollers into free speech martyrs. They are not.
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Absolutely which is what I said in my post. The trouble with the censors here is most people who actually believe in freedom tend to incorporate the bigger picture. No? Guess you've missed the football conrtoversy over the last 4 years. Or my differentiating between private schools who can goose step and public that are covered by the constitution. Straw men rarely works with intelligent people I never thought I'd have to explain the benefits to all of us in protecting unpopular speech here. What next Miranda
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Suggest you google Skokie il 1977. That was when the ACLU actually believed in free speech. As far as private club no it isn't legally and besides I take Groucho Marx's view on club
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Got his pants whooped off him in an argument and resorted to obfuscation and name calling (not to mention prejudice with the snowflakes remark). Mind-Left-Body 2, snafu 0. Oh, and half the guys in this band we all love were into booze and drugs, but here he is celebrating them (that makes him a hypocrite too hee hee).
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The Supreme Court ruled that Skokie city administrators (the government) could not deny a "march permit" purely based on a group's message. I don't see the connection.
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I feel like I'm in a 6th grade class. Hee hee are you fucking kidding me. Straw men lying about what I said. Keith fan don't have any response to that idiocy. Anyone interested in the truth can read the posts all of them. Bottom line. The circle jerkers believe in censorship private and I suspect public and keeping this their own little club and the uncool ie.those who unapologetically support free speech whithout their neuroses stomping on it need not apply. And I know you're incapable of logic but one more time Skokie showed that a civil rights organization believed ugly speech protected by private citizens...THE ACLU is more important than some genuinely aggrieved people getting their feelings hurt. So foad snowflakes and your hurt feelings. There's a reason why the 1st amendment is 1st. And the 2nd is right behind. I still think you prove Groucho corredt
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Yo! Rockers!!! Any debate surrounding free speech---or any of our other rights---is a worthwhile debate. However, given the specific underlying issues, perhaps this question should be addressed: Should these threads be limited to Dead only, or should there be no limits? If Dead only, fine. If anything goes, then we end up here. I've been of the opinion for some time that these threads need rational and reasonable moderation AND rules. But given the nature of the Dead themselves, it's unlikely that will happen....... Roll on, Doc
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Should kids be allowed to bully other kids at school, as an expression of free speech, or should the schools shut that shit down?
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I have found that this site polices itself. You can't legislate stupidity. There's plenty here I'm not interested in - some guy going on and on about sonic details, for instance. I just love the music and appreciate it sounding good. Then there's all the side discussions about other bands, what 5 albums you last listened to, etc. Usually interesting topics pick up a little interest. I have been turned onto things here I would not have known of otherwise. It is difficult to stay completely on topic - focused on whatever release this thread is based on, for very long. The conversation exhausts itself. The cool thing is so many here have many interesting things to discuss, and one thing leads to another, etc. This is by and large a really good forum. Certainly, this is not an appropriate place for hardcore porn, promotion of violence/prejudice, or hate speech of any kind. Politics turns people off real quick. I would imagine 75% or more here are like-minded, politically, but we don't come here for that noise, we come here to get away from it. As far as dumb random stuff, if I don't want to check out, say, a Barbra Streisand clip, I'll just pass on by. Live and let live (Live and let die?). later
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...would be if the operators of this site - dead.net - would pull the plug on ALL the comments. Then we would be back in the days of the original Grateful Dead Mercantile Co. from the 1980's and dead.net in the early 1990's or whenever dead.net began. I don't believe there was any room for fan comments, except for DeadNetCentral, and that was another entity in itself but associated with dead.net. Does that still exist? Is it still liive? When did it stop being active? If I recall correctly, when MusicToday took over, they added fan (DeadHead) input with the ability to rate the music and video releases and, I think add some comments. Now we have WarnerMusicGroup/Rhino powered dead.net which I think is excellent. It was only in the last few years that I have noticed a change for the odd/weird/worse in fan (DeadHead) comments. Try finding the comment pages for Dave's Picks Volumes 17 thru 24 here on dead.net. I cant. I think the primary core mission of dead.net is to sell the recorded music (mostly live recordings) of the Grateful Dead and other merchandise. It's a nice money maker to say the least. I think the secondary core mission of dead.net is to foster community. That is done successfully 99.8% of the time. Now with these odd/weird/damn strange posts, I'd say only 96.2% of the time. Let's clean up and don't post off topic subjects, such as politics, porn and religion, etc. And police the trolls. Last, but NOT LEAST, marye does a fine job as moderator. The moderators here at dead.net do a great job, and its hard.
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Bangles - All Over The PlaceThe Band - Rock Of Ages GOGD - Anthem Of The Sun The Clash - The Clash Jerry Garcia/David Grisman - Not For Kids Only
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That would depend (as so much does) on your definition of bullying. Nothing I said supports physical attacks as does by inference the person who suggested policing trolls. But if you're suggesting that someone be put in charge of hurtful words I think you already know the answer. It would quickly decend to what it already has as I've already mentioned. Safe spaces puppies jack booted thugs imposing their anti speech views on others are unacceptable. There are already about 190 countries that do it that way vs.1 that doesn't. This isn't my position but if I want to blockade Russia for its actions in the Crimea, eastern Ukraine or Georgia in the US it is my right to say it and because someone gets butthurt because they don't like it too bad. As you might imagine way back when I was young took a lot of real bullying. Over the war race the issues we are currently debating paraphrasing Tom Petty hitting me didn't make me back down. My only regret in this discussion is I let myself get caught up in the moment and said things in a way that wins no one to my side. I have had no regrets nor have I currently in supporting true free speech Without free speech the tiny minority who spoke up against slavery wouldn't finally be heard after 40 years of extreme violence. The working man wouldn't have attained some modicum of rights Civil rights wouldn't have moved the ball even further closer to what will hopefully become true racial equality. Gays wouldn't have advanced from Stonewall to marriage equality. While what the goof ball whose actions started this off is by no means the moral equivalent of the above without protecting his speech, no, more importantly believing in his right to say it the above might not have happened at the least taken a lot longer. I am proud of the punches I took 50 years ago in the name of free speech. In order for someones words to hurt me I've got to care what they think. I don't
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Ah, Vguy, you ain't alone. Different Light and Manic Monday were my introduction to them. But later I grew to prefer the more pure 60s sounds of All Over the Place.If you don't have the recent 81-83 compilation called Ladies And Geltlemen... The Bangles!, you should. Covers their garage/punk beginnings nicely. Even their 90s/00s re-union albums are pretty good. They were part of an L.A. early-80s scene nicknamed The Paisley Underground. I discovered most of the other PU bands a few years later (The Rain Parade, The Three O'Clock, The Dream Syndicate, and the more proto-Americana stylings of Green On Red and The Long Ryders). If you don't know them, get thee to YouTube or Spotify whatever! My fave bangles tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcmKrud6j8
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This guy had a band called The Silos (started in the 80s in Florida) that was always making albums full of good songs well-performed with heart and soul, but bland in that Tom Petty-sorta way. Lately he's doing a lot of small albums that are very pleasant on the ear.This song mentions "Dead tapes'... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwhzDybwGk Enough outta me.
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...by The Rain Parade-a great album-one of the best of the 80s, in my opinion. Their live album "Beyond the Sunset" is also worth checking out. I heard Green on Red and The Long Ryders- and The Bangles, but not the other so called Paisley Underground bands. I used to think REM were one of these groups-their first two albums Murmur and Reckoning seemed full of mid 60s mannerisms to me. Like an updated version of The Byrds or Love.
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It's ironic that a person who has, in the past, insulted, belittled and tried to intimidate others on this site for their opinions could possibly think that he knows anything about free speech or has the knowledge to lecture anyone about it. This is the same person who has insulted many here for thinking for themselves. He took punches in the 60's? Sure, right, let me use a term that he and his type are all so familiar with "fake news". If he was there, which I highly doubt, I don't believe he would have the guts to take it to the street. To sum it all up, or as Groucho said and he alluded to no one wants him as a member of this club, he invited himself, pushed his way into many conversations and bullied the poster for having an opposite opinion of his. His childish remarks and insults only affirm my conclusions. This is what 45 has fostered in this country, lost souls who have nothing but hate inside who think they can bully and lie about everything to twist it into their own little my, me, mine world. Who hurt him? I suggest some time in the psychiatric ward, get those feeling of hate and distrust out, maybe it might help. When he passes by the junkies and drunks, does he spit on them too? Or does he say stuff like "get a job and a haircut"? I don't agree with anything that he says, but I will defend his right to say it, that's free speech. Now, call me some names or talk bad about my mother, which of course you would never say to my face. The reign of hate fostered by 45 will end and the pendulum will swing back to a more progressive, loving, peaceful way of thinking, I can only hope.
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Same old, same old. I just came here for the first time in months to see when this box would ship. Anyone know? I usually think it's in the info at the top of the page, but can't seem to find it.
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The Silos were led by Walter Salas-Humara, although I don't know if the band is still active. I always thought they were an undiscovered treasure, unfortunately for them. They were one of the 1st bands to mine the Alt-Country genre in the late 80s, and for some reason reminded me of The Band. I actually think Alt-Country is more 'Country' than half the music played on Country stations. An undiscovered recent gem, for me anyway, is a band called 'Hiss Golden Messenger' whose 5th album, titled 'Haw' was played everyday by me for a month; it's been a long time since an album took me completely by surprise as this did. They're an acoustic based quintet from N.C. (according to Wiki). I implore my fellow Deadheads to please check them out, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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I'm happy to see The Paisley Underground mentioned. The Dream Syndicate's debut, 'Days Of Wine And Roses', is another great one. How about the 79-80 L.A. punk scene? Of which Los Lobos were a part/associated? As well as X and The Blasters et al. And no I certainly wouldn't call Los Lobos punk, they just happened to be on the club/bar front with the others. When JGB/GD cover/borrow one of your songs ('Evangeline') you know you've arrived.
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Game Theory (Davis, Ca. > SF)? Volcano Suns (Boston)? Fetchin' Bones (N.C.)? There always seems to be a wealth of music to be discovered, then and now!
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Good call, but also Thin White Rope (something affected me down in the desert), Naked Prey, Giant Sand, True West (the Davis bands had a connection with the SF ballroom scene of the late 60s, Ethan something ?) True Wests producer was involved with Oxford Circle and was a member of the best iteration -imho- of Blue Cheer-oh Pleasant Hope), and the one band not mentioned of the Paisley Underground, Clay Allison, later Opal, and even later, Mazzy Star.And not to forget, 11th Dream Day.Phew.Ive got a hankering to listen to some of this stuff again....
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Thanks for bringing the topic and discussions back to music. Anyone else have any recommendations for bands/artists, past or present, obscure or little known? I find the best way to hear of/about new music or artists (or new to me anyway) is to ask others who listen as well. I've always thought the GD community had interesting and varied tastes. Last 5: Aretha Franklin - Live At Fillmore West 3/5/71-3/7/71. The Who - Fillmore '68 / East - 4/6/68. The Shins - Heartworms. Dr. Feelgood - Down By The Jetty. GD - DaP 21 4/2/73 Boston, Ma.
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They started in the early 80s, and although I wasn't so keen at the time-they seemed a touch derivative of the garage bands featured on compilations like "Nuggets"- they sound fine to me now. There's a handy little box set of their material out called "Psychorama", which has got all their main albums, a live dvd and a vinyl EP of a set they played backing Screaming Jay Hawkins. Still going, too.
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Last 5: B B King-Live At The Regal (needs no explanation) Smokin' Joe Kubek-Texas Cadillac (some hot sh*t blues guitar) Cash Box Kings-I94 Blues (nicely carrying on the Chicago blues tradition) Muddy Waters-Paris 1964 (beautiful live recording) T Bone Walker-The Complete Imperial Recordings (the master) Don't shed a tear, rock on! Doc
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Where do I begin. You equate polilital discussion/ disagreements with being anti free speech there's a safe spot at each university where you can cry softly. You call me a liar when I tell about taking physical heat in the 60's when it's pretty obvious I'm not afraid to take on the in crowd of snowflakes here. The only issue is 50+ yaers later the in crowd gangs up and be their antifa violent selves. To equate me with Trump when he is the biggest anti free speech clown out there is simply proof of your logical incompetence. I wasn't there and you know this because? As I said in an earlier post in order for you to hurt my feelings - not likely- I've got to respect you. Not in this lifetime. As far as my past posts and how it hurt your feelings, which one. The one I took on the Dr. For claiming Cuba has a wonderful medical system. Or maybe when I explained basic economics 101 as it relates to the Dead/ WB business model. Sorry I don't catalogue my differences with you. Here's a real shocker I actually don't hate or even dislike you and absolutely believe in your right to make unfounded ( since you don't know me and could possibly know what I was doing 50 years ago and what the jocks and gym teachers did to this freak) statements. Not only do I believe in that doctor's right to his views I enjoy interacting with him.
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I didn't get a clear answer on whether you think free speech protection applies to kids who verbally abuse other kids at school. This is a yes / no question, so do not pontificate and obfuscate in your response (this clouds your message).
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Not doing the last 5 shuffle, but how about modern Turkish psych? If so try Baba Zula, nice double cd overview with a twist, title? :XX. Taxim!
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Dam, reminds me to check out some Uncle Tupelo, haven’t in for ever. Will have to check out the Silos....
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Got way into Soul Jazz a few years back. AKA “Acid Jazz” but I don’t Cotten to that moniker...Donald “Black” Bird, Melvin Sparks, Idris Muhammad, Deodato, the Mighty Burner, Groover Washington before he went all Kenny G, love that shit. Jazz with a back beat! Some of it can get a little syrupy, but some, pheeww, hot stuff. Always thought some of what Merl & Jer we’re throwing down fit right in with that more than being “straight Jazz”...
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I want to say I heard the release is the 7th? I think I remeber that because I immediately thought “they usually come a bit early, so maybe we’d have in time for the holiday weekend”...But I am old and “ my brain is boiled and my reason is spent” ; )
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Oroborous was correct, despite his boiled brain. My order confirmation mail states the release date as 9/7/2018.
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So what’s that mean for you folks across the pond,...November ; )That has to suck having to wait, but not get biased by all our pro/con gibberish.
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Here's the other thing. There's regular shipping and there is expedited shipping if you paid the extra 4 bucks right. How much sooner the expedited people will get theirs.
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My apologies didn't realize you needed 1 syllable comic book reading to understand something. The answer is I oppose violence but also oppose the brain police deciding words are violence. Dumbed down enough for you? Here's a suggestion start reading and listening to Frank Zappa. There might be hope yet
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I also have discovered some cool stuff on these threads, so here's some non-dead stuff that I have discovered in the last few years (it's not all new, but it was new to me). Ten Years After - A Space in Time, pretty cool. I was familiar with I'd Love to Change the World, but the rest of the album did it for me. Who knew there were 2 great albums from 1971 that started with a song titled One of These Days. William Onyeabor - Who is William Onyeabor?, funky. Discovered it through the song Fantastic Man when it appeared on an iPhone or Apple commercial and got stuck in my ear to the extent that I picked up the album. Funkadelic - Maggot Brain, the title song just does it, first time that heard it, didn't know what to expect but found myself in bliss on the couch. Yeah, something about Maggot Brain just really, really does it for me. Tame Impala - Lonerism, the song mind mischief is the one that stands out for me, but the whole album just flows nice. Highly processed, layered sounds with a cool vibe. The more recent album Currents is also cool. Melody Prochet - Melody's Echo Chamber, includes collaboration with the guy from Tame Impala, dig the singers voice, cool background music. Chris Joss - Sticks, instrumental stuff, discovered it when the song Tune Down was the background music for a scene on Better Call Saul featuring Mike and the Kettleman folks. I don't know whether or not you'll dig any of it, but there it is for what it's worth.
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If I recall correctly, my Thirty Trips arrived in a few weeks and it even had tracking info which was nice. Dave's 6 arrived before U.S, subscribers received their's. Depending on the year Dave's have arrived anywhere from 2 weeks to 38 days. The last couple of years have been the longest ship times. GSTL took a month, Don't remember how long the other boxes took. Ever since they started sending items to Europe first(Swiss Post postmarks now on items) then from there they get sent here to Australia, shipping times have increased. Hopefully the Pacific Box gets sent direct, which would mean about two weeks. But you never know. One should also factor in how many Australian orders there are. I would guess at least 10-15. Now if we had several thousand orders shipping would be different. It's all about cost. International standard shipping on the Pacific box is $53.99. An oversized package. I'd gladly pay an extra $50 on my Dave's sub just to get them in two weeks time.
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So you do believe kids should be allowed to bully other kids verbally. Oh man, so sad. Were you a disappointment to your parents? Is that what's eating at you? You must have been. Or at least that's the message you felt by their actions. Were they drinkers? Either that or perfectionists who never let a mistake go without making you feel belittled. Let me ask you, how old were you when you first remember them putting you down? Always, right? Your earliest memories are filled with shame. I do feel compassion for you. You were bullied mercilessly, there can be no doubt. There's an underlying hopelessness in your words and anger. I think there's no question you were verbally abused before you even had the capacity to respond. That's so f***ing sad I'm getting choked up here. You can get past this snafu, I promise you. Life doesn't have to be full of anger so old you don't recall where it came from. You can be happy snafu, but I'll warn you, you have to stop looking for it externally. There is no solution to your free speech crusade. I say this because there will always be factions in the world in our lifetime who have the will to suppress it. In other words, your anger will never go away by chasing down free speech violations. You have to recognize that your happiness starts with acknowledging that your anger stems from your personal experience of speech suppression in childhood. From there you're almost home free. You just need to let go of your crusade for a time, and start loving some people. Not necessarily close friends or family, I mean treat people with respect and dignity. Drop the anger and profanity from your affect, and stop responding to the people who stoke your anger. Instead, find people whose words you find agreeable, and compliment them. Say good things to them. I'm telling you, if you drop the anger and the bullying, and the profanity, and replace it with kindness, you WILL start to feel better about yourself. THEN, you can address free speech issues in the world. But you can't do it now, because you will never connect with people as you are now. You can only connect with them about free speech when you come from a place of peace. Right now you don't actually put a coherent point down on paper. You're like David Lee Roth's angry twin. You know how he just rambles in half coherent thoughts? That's what you sound like. Peace.
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...interesting passive-aggressive bullying there Dark-Star. Is all bullying bad, or just some? Reading these threads lately has been kind of depressing, watching the trolling go round and round.
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I really just gave him the best advice he's probably had in his life. He CAN be happy if he follows my advice.
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