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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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    Congrats Jim!!!

    Knew we were getting close. Still love the Raven show. I am a huge '82 fan.

    This was the same time as my first drop, April 1982, what a life changing event, as I know 4/19 was for you.

    First 2 drops were Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze. Not too bad for first 2. Man, there is a lot to write about with those 2.

    Thanks Jim for being such a solid rock of posting here, and again, Congrats.

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    4/19 - Why take one when two will do?

    I can't say no to that. A pivotal moment in the life of Jim.

    The drive home (including the arduous task of finding the car) was perhaps scarier than that moment when they derailed into discord and mayhem shortly after drums. The driver, the older brother of the friend I went with, was totally straight and a taper. The two of us had never seen the dead before and we both indulged - two each. Making it through space intact was the first challenge.. then we had to live through it again on the drive home. I was given very strict instructions which I followed as if my life depended on it, "He cannot know." So we hop in the car, he takes out his newly recorded master and fast forwards to that very moment it all began.

    "Quoth the Raven Nevermore. ....It was a dark and stormy night.... Wasn't it?" and the laughing and the sounds of nitrous.

    Listening to this again for the first time in a while, that laugh at the beginning of space that sounds remarkably like the laugh repeated over and over again on a loop cycle during the excellent Space from Dave's Picks 40, Deer Creek 6/18/90. It's the same laugh whether recreated or brought back to life from this recording? Not sure.

    Looking back on this 40 years later, I have to think maybe Larry wasn't as straight as he was purported to be. How could he not have known we were holding on for dear life on that fateful drive home? Perhaps he fast forwarded to that space because he knew and approved? A test? Questions that will likely remain unanswered.

    If you haven't heard this check it out, there's a brand spanking new Miller on the archive that reeks of an upgrade. On a similar note, Lemieux has been playing stuff from this tour this year. I recall him referring to it as "a most excellent tour", perhaps foreshadowing things to come?

    To me, the sound is better than some of the 82 that's found it's way to CD.. When the sweet chords of the Wheel finally broke through the madness that came before it.. I realized things were going to be ok after all. And they were. But the half hour before that and the half hour drive home took some time to make sense out of. Thankfully the Wheel and Stella Blue were there to provide support and ground us after our travels.

    I'd like to think we both passed the test. ahh.. well, onward.

    Edit: Two additional comments.. the discord probably started with Feel Like a Stranger, also that Brokedown Palace was sweet. 81 and 82 have some really nice versions of these songs, Jerry's voice was in good shape during this period. a real highlight.

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    I can't honestly say I remember the Pigpen version - despite having the cd of 4/18/70. But that John Lee Hooker record is unforgettable. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds cut a thunderous record based on this theme, and with that title, in the mid 80's.

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    In honor of Jim’s 40th anniversary.
    If you’ve never had the pleasure, grad some nitrous and check it out ; )

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    Sitting courtside under one of the baskets at Warriors/Nuggets game tonight

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    Yes, I am up for the 7/4/90 Kansas show. Looks like there is a 2021 Miller out there. Thanks for the picks.

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    Songs from this show make regular appearances on Sat Radio.

    What's not to like? There's a little hiss on the recording, but it's old and quite rare. A little nugget from history delivered to our mailbox or doorstep.

    The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 documents the most destructive flood in US history affecting 630,000 people. Nice of Pigpen via Johnny Lee Hooker to give it modern day meaning.

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    I’m with ya Doc!

    Nice lil change up. And yasss it was due for a spin.
    Bob getting all Agro with Bear, and “someone go knock on the door and get Pigpen”
    Marmaduke and/or Nelson with sweet harmonies. Pig should have played solo more often…

    Ok, anyone up for extra credit, how bout we heat it up with 7/4/90?
    I’ve never heard this one and am more intrigued by summer 90 after the Dave’s release last year.

    Tomorrow I’d like to request a special pick which I’ll reveal later, if that’s ok?

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 01/03/2021 - 16:59

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I've been going through them the past few days, rearranged my office at home for the start of the year. I have to say for no reason I have only listened to the 2017 Felt Forum 12/6/71 disc only once when I received it. This year's Jai Alai Fronton bonus disc I have played the most, the 2 December 69 Bonus Discs, the July 76 Orpehum, and Academy of Music.. Bob t

Listening to these two shows back to back contrasts dare I say two of the better DS's ever performed, classics in their respective years.

Winterland is so relaxed.. notes and chord progressions fall into place peacefully, all perfectly timed, seemingly unhurried with lots of space for everyone to stretch out. .. even the usually post apocalyptic part has an unrushed melodic peaceful quality to it. So relaxed. Then a moving transition into a wonderfully emotive Morning Dew. Wowwow stuff.

The Fillmore version is energetic and purposeful. Every note and chord progression is laid out to bare with much forethought and exactness. Aggressive, purposeful and on time. It isn't until after the first verse until they relax and the second jam proceeds.. and by then they are out of the cosmos and in strange territories.. they reel us back in good time for St Stephen/The Eleven/Lovelight. Powerful with purpose.

A tale of two Dark Stars, and two of the great ones at that. What a great sequence of shows to listen to back to back. What a great juxtaposition of the two great Dark Star jams.

Many thanks for those that suggested these two shows get listened to. ok.. Back to your normally scheduled Dark Star / Morning Dew, as you were.

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Submitted by prmtyms on Sun, 01/03/2021 - 22:04

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This is the best Pick of all of them. These performances of "Deal," "The Music Never Stopped," "Eyes," and "Scarlet/Fire" are true highlights in the career of a great band.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 01/04/2021 - 06:18

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Jim , that’s both hilarious and brilliant. I think I just had my best laugh of the new year.
Who writes this stuff?

“Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion”

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 01/04/2021 - 09:55

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....how about Portland 6.12.80. The Mt. St. Helen's eruption show. Fire On The Mountain y'all.
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1980/06/12
Alabama Getaway ->
Promised Land
Peggy-O
El Paso
Brown-Eyed women
Far From Me
Althea
Lost Sailor ->
Saint Of Circumstance ->
Deal
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Drumz ->
Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire On The Mountain ->
Estimated Prophet ->
Drumz ->
Space ->
Not Fade Away ->
Black Peter ->
Around & Around ->
Good Lovin'
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Johnny B. Goode
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I wonder if Mary E checks these out from time to time.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 01/04/2021 - 12:26

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Whooo hoooo!!!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with 71, let the good Doc show you the way! A few years ago, I took him up on his incredibly generous offer for some 71 goodness, and I am so glad that I did! 1971 is a top-shelf year for me now, thanks in large part to that kind man! It might not be everyone's "cup of tea," but who really likes tea? It's more like a shot of bourbon!

Welcome back, brother! I look forward to reading your thoughts and learning of / rediscovering more 71 gems!

Now, 6/12/80 - sounds right up my alley! Oh, look, I'd already favorited VGuy's suggested recording (the Miller transfer) on Archive! Nice!

Peace

They should give him his own page. It would be much easier to follow and keep track of.

Something like they did with Blairs Golden Road and David Dodds Greatest Stories Ever Told.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 01/04/2021 - 17:33

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Not really any different than Bolo’s Pick Of The Day page.

And considering that Doc provided photos from Jai-Alai for the release, he probably deserves to get a page devoted to his favorite year.

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Submitted by sheik yerbones on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 03:30

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yes 71 is a very good year between primal dead and the best era 72-74 and is nnow well documented with the final shows at Fillmore East, 3 shows from the Capitol Port Chester, Albuquerque, Ann Arbor, Chicago, San Diego, Hollywood, and the unforgettable Skull and roses. I wishyou all a happy new year. and maybe have a cup of tea?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9pLpREHh10

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 06:46

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Yo Doc! Looking forward to some 1971.

Figure I'll start with a question you might have some info on.

Do you know if the rest of 1/21/71 SBD is around?

So far I've come across the last 3 songs of Set 1.

But curious if you have any input on that show and if the rest of the SBD exists / circulates?

Feels like a Reddit AMA with Doc '71!

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 07:46

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I didn't have this in stock!!! I downloaded both copies off the archive. Both may have problems with order and label. I will investigate. I too will be looking to Doc's reply to you about 1/21.

Once again glad to get info about "things" here.

I thought I had ALL the shows!

It's like the old Doctor Who's, you think you have them all and bam! Some joe from katmandu finds an old copy of some lost show. (or they animate them! Hard to imagine Jerry animated :-) )

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 07:48

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Okay, I will throw out a show from 8/6/82 at the St. Paul Civic Center. There is good recording available. I have it going now. Nice New Minglewood Blues, Bob goes with it is tea right here in Minneapolis. I can tell you the St. Paul natives at that show didn't care for that.

If any of you check it out, let me know.

Stay well.

Always happy to turn someone on to a show!

Yeah, this Freeborn Hall show flies under the radar, probably due to the lack of SBD.

I don't think I say this very often but, Great Around And Around!
That tune, Cumberland & Casey Jones SBD tracks float around out there.
But I haven't been able to locate anymore of the SBD.
For 1971, the Audience is pretty darn good.
TIFTOO is smoking.
And check out the poster for this show!

Tight Pigpen Artwork.

And I hear you on collecting the Dead.
Just when you think you're done, they pull you back in!

Good Stuff.

I don't think they played this twice that night, this looks like filler of some sort, perhaps from the same show???

Somebody should be able to clear this up for us.. or should I fire up the John Deere and find out what happened to the soundboard master reels while I am at it

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 08:13

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RIP to Claude Bolling. Jazz pianist, tell truth I didn't know he was still alive, but that 75 album for piano & flute is great!

Dave Rock & 45's.
A short while back 45's were talked about and i think you mentioned Elvis & Do the Clam, I think?.?.

Anyway went thru all old 45's and I actually have 3 Elvis 45's from the early 60's, in the full print and picture sleeves.

Do the Clam/You'll Be Gone (off the "Girl Happy" LP)
Ask Me/Ain't That Loving You Baby (off the "Roustabout" LP)
Blue Christmas/Wooden Heart (both by "Popular Request")

Bought by my brother in about 63/64,,,, cost 66 cents. Today, highest asking price 25 bucks. Good return on investment? I will say the damn things are pretty damn mint, they've been their paper sleeves in a 45 record box (yes the type you'd take to a sock hop), only played a handful of times since bought!!!

I'd tell ya about my Grand Funk Railroad 45, in gold plastic, in a picture sleeve, with the band members looking out a hotel window,,,,, but that would be a third thing.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 08:23

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Do the Double take.
One is from the Audience and the other is the SBD filler.

It appears they tacked on the Around And Around, Cumberland & Casey Jones SBD at the end ;)
Track listings are one off for songs after Set 1 Casey Jones

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 10:51

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Dennis-I think it was Blue Hawaii I mentioned-but the three Elvis singles you have eclipse that one by some distance. I can remember The Cramps covering "Do the Clam" on the Date With Elvis tour around 1986.

Grand Funk Railroad too - my sole record of theirs back in the day was the "Do The Locomotion" single. I wasn't too impressed, I have to say, and it took about 40 years before I got something else by them-the so called Red Album. Much more like it!

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Submitted by bolo24 on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 11:01

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Heard through a friend that I've been reported as AWOL around here. Sorry.

We had a COVID outbreak up here at the North Pole, the elves went on strike, the Mrs. left me for the Tooth Fairy, and Dancer, Vixen and Blitzen all had food poisoning on Christmas Eve, so I wasn't able to make my complete rounds - missed Madagascar and Lithuania. Needless to say, a crappy way to cap off a crappy year. On to 2021!

Glad to see y'all keeping the embers stoked around here. I'm a bit behind on the picks, only missed the last 26 or so.

To commemorate Doc's emergence from hibernation and his love of all things 1971, here's a video pick for sometime this week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbzmRBU6Lg&list=RDKWbzmRBU6Lg&start_ra…

Cheers and keep smiling!

Good to see you back in the mix Bolo. Looking forward to hearing about the next boxset.

Now it is time for Oroborous to check in.

I am digging this 82 show!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 16:26

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Looking for a Chateau
21 Tunes and a Morning Dew..

Funny.. Carlo asked about older videos on the other thread the day after I watched Festival express.. then this post. Chateau d' HerouvilIe is my favorite 'older' video. What a quirky, cool event captured on decent film.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 01/05/2021 - 17:24

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Will make it easier to access by having a bookmark to it.

A window to a better year with the dumpster fire in the rear view mirror.

....give Doc a page.
I'll upvote the shit out of it.
Good to hear from you Bolo. Peace. This psychedelic corner of the internet helped me last year quite a bit.

He's done the work an is willing to post it here. It would be eminently more useful if it had its own place to live instead of buried somewhere.

If it had to live on an existing thread, probably better here than Dave's picks, but we would be listening to a lot of '71 (not that that's a bad thing). For what it's worth I was listening to Road Trips Volume 1 Number 3, Summer '71. A complete coincidinks.

Still, I vote for a separate thread.

I might have to check out January 6, 1978 today.

laryngitis and voice is gone by Deal but Jerry focuses his powers into his guitar playing.

Look at that Set 2.

Think I gotta dust this one off.

Yes, it certainly is nice to be back in San Bernardino...

PS - I'll try and circle back to 8/6/82 wasn't able to fit that in yesterday.
Love some August '82, August 1st Zoo show & 8/3 Starlight Theatre show are worth a nice trip back too.
Too Much, really man, too much!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 06:40

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Sounds like another great way to grow the community! Of course, that is if the Good Doctor is up for it :)

Peace

EDIT: 1/6/78 - The first Larynjerry show? FIERCE Truckin'! Terrible Bob joke, spacey Playin'! This show has everything, except Jerry singing in set 2 :) Good pick!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 07:59

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Let the Doc have a page of his own, we need 71 Dead highlighted and the good doctor has the goods. Hey Bolo, long time...... what's happenin' Daverock, that Red lp is the best Grand funk out there, also, closer to home and the survival lp are also good ones. Happy new year all, thank you Georgia for putting the final nail in the coffin, now, onward 2021, let's make it the best year ever.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 10:53

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Yes! Give the good doctor his own page for everything '71.

And while we're at it, maybe drag this forum into the 18th century and allow anyone to start a topic, like 99% of all message boards. 😜

Unkle Sam-yes, that Red Album is great. Grand Funk were a bit of an unknown quantity in mid 70s Britain-but if we had come across them in 1973, they would have been right up there with Purple, Sabbath, Uriah Heep etc in my circle. Pity they never toured here - to my knowledge.

2/14/68 is also hotter than hell. The energy the Dead put out at that time was phenomenal.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 14:40

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Not really sure what you mean??

You can post anything you want on any of these threads, but most of us come here for music and the Dead. I will stress most of us.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 17:28

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I have a feeling the next box will be coming in the next week. I stress that it is only an inkling and not an insider info technique to become popular. P.S.- "It came to me in a dream." That's a George carlin quote. Ha!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 18:36

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Sweet Carlo, what is it going to be?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 18:37

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Lemieux mentioned the 2021 box in yesterday's "Today in Grateful Dead History."

Spoiler alert..
He said he was very excited about this years Box, and that it is very special.

Well, that certainly narrows it down.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 19:49

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No clue. It has been a while since the 76' box. I want it to be an ark box like a lot of you dudes keep hinting at. Dave's ark.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/06/2021 - 21:37

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Okay, that makes at least two of us, I am very excited as well Jim.

Of course............

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 04:59

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Given what's going on in the world, maybe we could do with something that has a bit of fire power.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 05:56

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Ark Ark..

Actually... wouldn't it be nice and a good time for one of those surprises.. an OLD master freed from the tyranny of the vault that is magically restored to a sound quality that far exceeds the versions that circulate. I don't care so much what show.. just release one of those treasures that we know must exist in an obscure, rarely visited shelf in the vault.

(ark.. arkark. ark)

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 06:51

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I have it on very good authority the new box will be a dozen shows Dennis has been to.

Good enough for Dennis, good enough for me! Can't wait!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 08:37

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I hope we get a big 1969 box ,10 shows. or the complete Winterland Oct. 1974 run with audio and video, that sells out in minutes.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 09:50

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I mean on most message boards a member can create a new topic, like a "Doc's '71" thread, and anyone can go in there are read about that topic and post like we do here. The difference here is that only admin can start a new thread, and they are ostensibly about whatever a new release is, but soon veer off in various directions. So we have 3 threads going that cover everything instead of more focused discussion in purposefully created threads.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 10:07

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Yes, that makes sense. I get it, but I don't think they will loosen the strings on this site anytime soon.

Billy, yes the 74 Winterland complete box would be unreal, just don't know if they would do it since the work they did in 2005-2006 with the Movie and the Soundtrack.

But we can hope.

I am sticking with a 1980 box release for this year.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 10:57

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What'll it be..

Any picks today?
If not I'll catch up on 8/6/82.
8/1/82 is worth a re-visit for any and all '82 lovers out there, non-lovers might enjoy it too.

Meanwhile..
Box set anticipation fun. I'd be hip to hear about a box set.
I was so off with my guess on Dave's final pick, not sure it's worth it for me to speculate.
That being said, the Pac NW tour of '68 especially if there was some uncirculating stuff, would tickle me to no end.
Or whatever hasn't been released from November '72.
But.. I hope whatever it is, it's budget minded :)

I guess time will tell. Something to look forward to.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 11:51

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Okay, 8/1/82, I will hit it up this afternoon. After the great St. Paul Civic Center show of 8/6/82, looking forward to checking your suggestion out. Thanks.