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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Re-seed thread
    You have my vote! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • Exploratory Da…
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    There needs to be some
    There needs to be some organization. Wipe the slate clean. Do something. I agree. It's too much of a pain to go through every page. I'm too lazy to do it. I wonder if a filter can be set up to dump inactive vines (last post over a month or 2) into a separate folder. That would eliminate all those dang pages. The request for re-seeds is fine with me.
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    Sounds good
    Sounds good to me .
  • cosmicbadger
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    Let's just ask Marye to set up a Vine Reseed Request Forum and see how it goes. Can't do any harm. Can I suggest we try to keep it free of general chit chat and such so that the requests are easy to find? Someone posts a request. If someone can help they post to say so and also post on the relevant vine page and off we go again.
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    Thank you Badger .. all those are mia vines ? crap man thats too much .. pomo1, I agree with you . it would be much easier that way . It is kinda a pain in the ass to go through every page and every posting on a vine to send mass pm`s to people requesting re-seeds . As far as re-seeding vines , I would be more then happy to re-seed however I don`t have a external dvd burner for my XP right now and lack of funds also makes it a little hard for me to re-seed anything ..not to mention the whole vista-xp thing .. But I will try to do what i can .. Thank you everybody for seeding and re-seeding !! This is a magical place for music !!
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    this will be the last time I propose a new topic for requests for re-seeds. Frankly, I don't understand why the idea has been shot down in the past, but it seems clear (to me at least) that a single spot where requests can be made and filled is necessary. Anybody who wants to have a vine revived can post and someone likely will re-seed. If there is no interest then no one will request a re-seed. This would also obviate the need to constantly go through single vines to see what needs to be re-seeded. Thanks again to everyone in the Vineyard. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    Wow. Thank you.
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    I will update the Vindex again in September some time. With the arrival of so many new megavines its going to get a lot bigger for sure. I was thinking of marking on the Vindex which Vines are dead, but as we know, pronouncing the death of a vine can be an unreliable business. MITD and others had done a lot of work to identify the status of all the vines but I am not sure where we are on that now. I really do not fancy going through every single vine in the vineyard to check its status. However a 'quick and dirty' way to do this is to go to the index for the Vineyard. Home » Forums » Dead Heads » Tapers>The Vineyard. This lists all the vines in order of the most recent post. If you go to the last pages of that you can see which vines have been inactive for a long time. This does not mean the vines are dead, they may just have reached the end of the line. And of course vines with more recent posts may actually be dead; someone might have just been asking recently where it is! But it does give you a very rough idea. Based on this, here are the 45 out of around 295 vines with no activity (MIA) since the end of May (3 months ago). 15-20% attrition in 2 years ain't too bad. Jerry Solo Acoustic 4-10-82 Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ Last Post May 29 2009 UK SOL Party Vine Last Post May 27 2009 Little Bit of Jerry Vine Last Post May 24 2009 Dead Heads for Obama 2/4/08 Vine Last Post May 23 2009 Basement Tapes #1 Vine Last Post May 23 2009 Eurovine #3 - US Branch Last Post May 21 2009 Field Trip '72 Vine Last Post May 14 2009 Warfield 10/9/80 Vine Last Post May 14 2009 ABB 9/28/04 Vine Last Post May 13 2009 Rochester, NY 9/2/80 Vine Last Post May 11 2009 - 8:34am Early Stuff Volume 1 Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Bobby & The Midnites Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Keith's First Few Months (KFFM) Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Carousel Ballroom 3/3/68 Vine Last Post May 5 2009 Winterland 12/27/77 Vine Last Post May 4 2009 Flac Me, Flac You Vine Last Post May 3 2009 Three from 1975 Vine Last Post Apr 29 2009 Tivoli '72 TV Vine Last Post Apr 29 2009 Progressive Rock Vine Last Post Apr 27 2009 Boise, ID 9/23/83 Vine Last Post Apr 27 2009 Orpheum Theater 7-12-76 Vine Last Post Apr 22 2009 Felt Forum 1971 Vine Last Post Apr 21 2009 Bigger Bit of Talking Heads Vine Last Post Apr 20 2009 The Sublime Vine Last Post Apr 18 2009 PKPotter Vine Last Post Apr 9 2009 Cleveland Convention Center 12/6/73 Vine Last Post Apr 5 2009 Phil Lesh Christmas 2007 Vine Last Post Mar 27 2009 Neil & Crazy Horse 2001 Eurotour Compilation Vine Last Post Mar 20 2009 Cream Filling #1 1973 Vine Last Post Mar 11 2009 Winterland 10/22/67 Vine Last Post Feb 23 2009 Phil Warfield Plus Eurovine Last Post Feb 20 2009 Gruga Halle 3/28/81 Vine Last Post Feb 18 2009 Eurovine #5 U.S. Branch Last Post Feb 18 2009 Warfield 2/17/82 Vine Last Post Feb 14 2009 Baton Rouge, LA Vine Last Post Feb 8 2009 Jerry Garcia/Greg Harrington Interview Vine Last Post Jan 15 2009 Merl Saunders Keep On Keepin' On Vine Last Post Jan 11 2009 Fall 79 Part One Vine Last Post Dec 27 2008 Eurovine #2 - US Branch Last post Dec 17 2008 Crazy Quilt, AKA Crazy Guilt, Vine Last post Nov 30 2008 Phil Eurovine #1 Last post Nov 12 2007 Winterland October 1978 Vine (From Egypt With Love) Suspended due to official release Egypt 1978 Vine Suspended due to official release Nassau Coliseum 1990 Vine Inactive because it is a duplicate Winterland '72-'73 Vine Suspended when Winterland 73 box set released 10/8-9/89 - Hampton Coliseum Vine Suspended when updated I will try to post this list every 3 months with the Vindex. It only takes 15 minutes to make and should become more reliable as time goes by. I have never been to the middle parts of the USA, but I think the landscapes have a lot in common with Central Asia; hot dry summers and hard cold winters. Deserts, mountains and steppe.
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    If the problems were straight up vista/xp incompatibility wouldn't it be more widespread, it seems more random in the vineyard unless the majority of us are using vista. I will try your suggestion oh yeah the next time I burn a DVD for a vine (which will be soon!!) :-) "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    1. Insert a disc into your computer's CD or DVD drive. 2. In the dialog box that appears, click "Burn files to disc." 3. In the "Burn a disc" dialog box, type a name for your new disc. 4. Also in the "Burn a disc" dialog box, click "Change version." This will open the "Select a Live File System Version" dialog box, where you can choose a different formatting version for compatibility with different kinds of computers. Select Live File System version 1.5 or 1.02. Either one will work with Mac OS X Tiger (my computer), but earlier Macs and PCs may need version 1.02; it's pretty much universal. It's versions 2.01 and 2.5 that are the least compatible, and unfortunately Vista is set at 2.5 until you change it. 5. Click Next to prepare the disc. The "Mastered" workaround that stuman mentioned works too, as does switching to XP, which is what a lot of people have done (generally speaking; I don't know if anyone in the vineyard has switched). For Mac owners, I believe Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and the new Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), the latter of which ships this Friday, both accept the Live File System 2.5 DVDs (ie, the default version in Vista). But without upgrading my OS I have to fire up my PC laptop (XP, but it sees the Vista-created DVDs) and move the files over to a flash drive, which I then open on my Mac. Ain't technology grand?? :-) ~~~~~~~ "They say Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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I will add the Warlocks shows from Oct. 8-9 '89. Plus.... I have most of 81 if you all need help with whatever it is you are thinking about! Raymond 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89
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You guys all rock! Such a kind place here =) I PMed Dan asking what shows he was really craving and he said he that any shows would be appreciated and he was totally overwhelmed by everyone's kindness. But he did mention RFK 6/9 and 6/10 1973 so I'll add those. =) 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This site is fubar. I think I tried 30 times to log-in, and about as many times to get to the forum. Sumpin' [sic] is going on. Is there anybody out there?
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There's like 5 million people trying to access the site so they can **gasp** get a hold of a **gasp** free download of a song. And then of course they can turn around and bitch about it all. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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There are 464 profiles/users at deadnet at this very moment. Holy crap. The average (mean) way back a few weeks ago was like 10 to 20. I checked a few profiles, and all the one's I checked had been activated exactly 1 week ago +/- a few hours or a day. What in the world? Are they all here for the freebies? I have had more trouble accessing pages and logging in today. Is it a bandwith issue? We here at the super secret vineyard need to prepare for a population boom once folks start figuring out what we are up to. This could be mass chaos...;-) Look what happend to Dodge City in the late 1800s and urban sprawl today. :-)
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I'm gonna do a 2-part JGB 76 vine (with the help of the first few people to sign up, for WAV), but I will wait until December, both because I am working a lot over the next couple weeks and because I'm certain Marye is very busy with the contest. Hold on for a little longer and it will be here. I don't think it is a great year, and there are some duds (early in the year the music is played TOOOO SLOWWWW), but there are plenty of VERY GOOD shows. The ones I will vine are worth getting excited about.
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I couldn't log on for days. The facebook free download schtick has inundated the site. Not surprisingly, the powers that be were woefully unprepared. I am sending Dan the two 1976 shows from the Beacon. New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I am sending out shows from '69, '70, '73, '77, and '78. (Sent today.) New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 Dan's list, what a wonderful idea, ADA! Hope these shows help to brighten your days, Dan. I feel better already. ;o} We wouldn't know the light without the dark. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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An Oroboros sighting!
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New list:3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!!
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I have a mandolin (Yank Rachell model Harmony) with a backstage pass that reads StaffDawg eat Dawg 5-5-94 The Warfield. Jerry and David played there that night. Any of you there that night? Any Photos? This instrument has been an ongoing mystery to me since I purchased it 12 years ago. The great mando mystery. Any ideas would be helpfull. Thanx
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I'd suggest posting this in the In Search of Info topic. The Vineyard is certainly a hotbed of knowledge, but this may be a bit afield from vining.
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Why does a SHN/FLAC source sometimes have an xxxxx ending (such as 81.01.01.sbd.miller.xxxxx)? Is xxxxx used when a number has not yet assigned? Did the person I received this show from download it as soon as it became available (or someone he got it from did)? Is the sbd.miller.xxxxx the EXACT same as the subsequent sbd.miller.11111? I tend to think that a number has not yet been assigned but the seeder wanted to get the source out there so they uploaded it without a number, and there are no changes in the xxxxx version and the subsequent numbered version. Thanks!
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You are absolutely correct about the pending shn id #.... Raymond
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Hey viners! One band I am very lacking in is the Who. Are there any shows circulating out there? I'd trade with ya if you have some!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Dan Lampinski recorded the Who in 75. I have the show and both it and the sound quality are excellent. I think though that the show was still on my hard drive, and not yet burned onto DVD, when my last computer died. I'll check though.
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I have 12/14/75. Looking for more? Alice Cooper would be pretty cool indeed! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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some Alice Cooper, not much but am willing to start or contribute to a vine. The shows are in wav though. I have a May '78 show and an August '08 show if anyone is interested.
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Longrifle was asking me about re-seeding Phil's Free Sounboards Vines. I checked and all 3 parts were last seen with Ursa about 7 months ago. The issue with re-seeding these is that in total there are 12 DVD's with well over 40GB of music. That's kind of a tall order for a re-seed. Could anyone help me and better yet has anyone heard from Ursa? "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I used to live in Chicago and have a soft place for the windy city. More than that, this is the reason that I hang out with youse guys - to help a fellow soul in need of some music. I will send along the following: 4/17/72 11/17/73 11/20/73 9/16/78 10/30/83 and I thought it would be nice to throw in a Jerry show too JGB 8-29-87 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 4/17/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 11/17/73 11/20/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 9/16/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/30/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 JGB 8-29-87 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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JackStraw, I'm a Who fan and have worked for a few years now to try and find the best Who shows and would be willing to vine the Who if there is enough interest. Pete Townshend's talent often goes under appreciated I think. And who (!) can't help but love the manic drumming style of Keith? Even my 12 year old daughter loves Keith! Entwhistle too was a standout on bass - take a close listen sometime. And, Daltrey's vocals are classic - Talkin' bout my g-g-g-generation...! The other day I was watching clips of Monterey Pop and the Isle of Wight - the Who really were at the top of their game. "Who"se interested? Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I would sign up for a Who vine.
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Absolutely!!! Thanks a lot for the consideration unclejon!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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would dig a Who vine! If it were anything like your Zep vine, it would be awesome! Live at Leeds, the Woodstock and Monterey tunes and the disc that accompanies Who's Next are all that I know (I haven't heard the Isle of Wight). Bring it UJ! " Where does the time go? "
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Folsom Field 1989? Ahhh what a night!! Seriously though I'd be a happy camper with a Who vine! We wont get fooled again!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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to JackStrawfromColorado for his winning guees in yesterdays 30 days of Dead
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I'm working on the Who vine - I hope to have it together by this weekend. I love putting a vine like this together because I get to go back and relisten to some of my favorite music. I hope y'all like it when ya' get it! IHowever, I'm experiencing a slight delay due to the need to take the kids to a premier of Harry Potter tomorrow in San Francisco. JackStraw nice job on Folsom Field 1989... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Me friend thought it would be funny to dose me at the cincy show. Luckily My schedule was open. I later found out that it was some album cover or something. I'm sorry people but this stuff was weak compared to what we were used to in 1990. I was wondering if anyone knows about this weak stuff? Maybe i ruined myself. Maybe it wasnt LSD?Just wondering what they gave me. Most importantly the show was excellent!!
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Maybe you are in the wrong forum..... ;-)
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UncleJon, how were the Deathly Hallows?
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My 12 year old gave it a 8/10. It seemed a bit slow in parts as they were careful to follow the book. There was an embellishment or they could've done without. Overall, very enjoyable and they've set up the finale for next July quite nicely. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Went to see Furthur Sat night at Madison Square Garden. Only 31 years after seeing the boys there for the first time. It's certainly not the same, but I had a really terrific night. Stood near Bill Walton, great energy from the crowd, killer setlist, tight playing, Phil dropping bombs all night.... Funny story: Two girls were sitting next to me. They were young enough to my daughter. They were bitchin about the music all night. Suddenly the band plays the opening chords to Dark Star and i say "Well, you cant still be disappointed, they are going into Dark Star." They say Dark Star sucks and LEAVE!!! What a waste of 19th row tickets on two idiots! Of course, after Dark Star they missed St. Stephen, TOO. The 11, Death Don't have no Mercy, Franklin's!!!!!! What a set. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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It feels like the newbies go to be cool with no clue about anything else that goes on. Unfortunately, as you state, they are the ones who snatch up all the good tickets. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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more dancing room for you!
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More room for me and Bill Walton to dance! "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I'm sure all of us who got cranky about the 1987 newbies are cracking up at the familiar tale. And yet I suspect a bunch of those folks who were completely clueless until the band played Touch of Grey are still with us! And the ones that aren't, too bad for them! From what I hear from those who were around in the earlier days, this is somewhat ongoing. I'm sure I made the more knowledgeable groan from time to time. It'll be interesting to see which of these first-timers stick around, and why. But yeah, this is especially aggravating when people who really do love the band have been shut out!
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...all the years combine... Many people have seen this list developing in these pages over the past month and I thought that I'd take a minute to let everyone know that I'm Dan and that this list was developed out of my request on another forum here for some shows, since the circumstances of my life forced me to lose the recordings that I had and currently prevent me from acquiring any new ones via computer.I'll spare you the details, though I'm not ashamed of them(I'd relate them to anyone interested via PM), it's just not the point of this post. The point here is to publicly acknowledge and thank the kind spirit and generosity of the members here who heard my call and answered it, without condition or reservation of any kind. That's the spirit of the continuing thread of those who really hear the music, the "unbroken chain", as it were. The addresses on the packages that have arrived continue to reflect that indeed "we are everywhere". As I continue to receive shows from people,the importance of the intention of the people sending the music is as important as the music itself. So, at this time of thanksgiving, I give thanks for being part of the dead community for the last 38 years and thanks especially for all the members who have taken so much time to reach out to me in the last month or so. All your efforts have truly touched my heart. Thanks, Dan
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I hope we have been able to "ease the pain." Its good to know that Deadheads are still amongst the coolest people in the world. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I just sent mine out today, but it's good to know a brother has been helped. Really warms the heart this time of the year. Kudos to all, and to all enjoy the friends and family this time of the year. Happy Thanksgiving my brothers and sisters.........
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Is there anyone here still signing up for vines that only does WAV and does not do SHN/FLAC? It seems to me that most of the WAVers have either dropped out of the Vineyard or converted. I don't want to bother wasting time burning WAV discs if they aren't needed. If WAVers are still here and signing up for vines, please post and I will be more than happy to continue including WAV cd's with most of my vines.
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what happened to Birdsong1969NJ? I know he has been vining for awhile and i noticed that there are some newer vines that got sent to him and have been immobile since. I don't think he would have killed any considering he was active couple months back after not being around for couple months cause i sent him a vine.
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once you go "flac," you never go back. I copy the flac dvds for archive storage and then burn CDRs off and on as time permits. I have not heard from birdsongNJ.
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Signing up for many vines at once. First of all welcome to the vineyard! Second, from experience, it is really easy to get overwhelmed when 2-3 vines a day start hitting your mail box. Just a very friendly heads up! We have gone to great lengths to re-seed all the vines that have been lost in the recent months and it would be extremely sad to lose all these again. Also please remember that communication is our best tool here!! If issues arise just post so that we know the vines are still alive and where they are. Thanks and enjoy all the music!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Welcome to the Vineyard, a truly wonderful place. I echo JSFC's sentiments, but would add that it might be wise to send a pm before forwarding a vine. This helps to ensure that the next person is still active and checking his/her messages. Unfortunately, some people come to the site, sign up for a number of vines, and then disappear from the site with a load of vines never to be heard from again. Peace, "That path is for, your steps alone."
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1 of the new guys here - actually first logged on to this site a couple years ago - just for the info at first. Been getting the dead.net emails for quite some time - but had to register to download the November goodies (thought I had already registered in the past). Well aware of the work that so many have put in and very appreciative! Thanks for the welcome. Wanted to pace myself - but the first few I signed up for seemed to be a month or more away - plus its kinda like the kid in the candy store, right. rest assured that I will be one of the responsible parties - and will post updates as has been asked of me. Thanks to all -zep. (just an online nickname based on my email addy)