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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2361
    Gary Farseer
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    the Meyer sound article on fare the well. Just copy and paste instead of a lync.

    The Grateful Dead Bids "Fare Thee Well" at Levi's Stadium with Meyer Sound LEO

    Derek FeatherstoneDerek FeatherstonePhoto: Jay Blakesberg

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    July 3, 2015
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    John Meyer's 1100-LFC loudspeakers empower the rhythmic voice and enable percussionists to manifest new ideas. They are sonic tools for reliably transmitting vibrations that affect neurologic function in a special way we are only beginning to understand, enabling us to explore healing properties embedded in low-frequency sound—a dream come true for us all.”

    Mickey HartDrummer/Percussionist, The Grateful Dead
    Featured Products
    1100‑LFC, 700-HP, CQ-1, Galileo Callisto 616, LEO, LYON, MICA, MILO, MJF-212A, UPJ‑1P

    Fifty years after forming their band at a Palo Alto music store, the surviving founders of the Grateful Dead kicked off their end-of-an-era “Fare Thee Well” mini-tour at Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, Calif. with a Meyer Sound LEO linear large-scale sound reinforcement system driving a quadraphonic surround setup.

    The two Silicon Valley shows were a landmark occasion with more than the 60,000 devoted Deadheads in attendance each evening. It was also a milestone in the band’s decades-long association with Meyer Sound CEO John Meyer, a relationship spawned from a shared passion for audio experimentation and audience experience. The Grateful Dead’s original sound engineer, Owsley “Bear” Stanley, first tapped Meyer to create acoustic solutions for the legendary “Wall of Sound” system in the 1970s.

    The Meyer Sound LEO system with its accompanying 1100‑LFC low-frequency control element delivered an immersive fan experience in the large football stadium and supported an experimental segment devised by drummer/percussionist Mickey Hart. Using the Meyer Sound system to transmit ultra-low frequencies in surround sound, Hart probed how the brain perceived audible and below-audible rhythms.

    “John Meyer’s 1100-LFC loudspeakers empower the rhythmic voice and enable percussionists to manifest new ideas,” says Mickey Hart. “They are sonic tools for reliably transmitting vibrations that affect neurologic function in a special way we are only beginning to understand, enabling us to explore healing properties embedded in low-frequency sound—a dream come true for us all.”

    The Meyer Sound system comprised four front arrays of 17 LEO-M and three MICA line array loudspeakers each, with dual side columns of 14-each 1100-LFC low-frequency control elements and a center column of 22 700-HP subwoofers in an end-fire pattern. Side and offstage coverage was supplied by 32 LYON and 32 MILO line array loudspeakers, respectively, with an additional 30 MICA loudspeakers providing behind-stage coverage.

    Filling in the far ends of the stadiums were four delay towers with a total of 56 MILO loudspeakers and eight 700-HP subwoofers. Two additional towers of eight LYON loudspeakers each faced the stage for quad surround effects, with six CQ-1 and four LYON loudspeakers providing front fill. A Galileo Callisto loudspeaker management system handled drive and optimization, and 16 MJF-212A stage monitors provided onstage foldback.

    Following the Levi’s Stadium shows, Grateful Dead continues its tour at Soldier Field in Chicago over 4th of July weekend, using a nearly identical LEO system for three shows. Audio requirements for the shows are handled by Martinez, Calif.-based Pro Media / UltraSound, with system design accomplished by the company’s Derek Featherstone, vice president of touring and rental and the band’s FOH engineer since 2005.

    Additional equipment support for the five shows comes from Blackhawk Audio, Rainbow Production Services, Show Systems, and Solotech.

    “The LEO and 1100-LFC system can handle everything we put into it,” says Featherstone. “We are also very impressed with the quality control of the Meyer Sound self-powered equipment. Being able to acquire 650 loudspeakers from several different vendors located in multiple states, assemble the large system on site, and have it work seamlessly is no small feat.”

    Matt Haasch, audio crew chief for Pro Media / Ultrasound adds: “I was impressed with how well the LEO system handled the physical acoustics of a big stadium. Coverage was smooth and practically seamless, with precise imaging for all seating areas.”

    John Meyer’s work with the Grateful Dead extends to the mid-1970s when the band’s concerts were heard through McCune Sound Service’s JM-10 systems designed by Meyer. The relationship continued through the band’s last tour with Jerry Garcia in 1995, supported by Meyer Sound MSL-10 loudspeakers. Meyer Sound systems have been a staple for tours of reunion and spin-off bands during the interim, including the 2005 and 2009 tours equipped with a Meyer Sound MILO system when the core members were known as The Dead. In 2011, the band’s Bob Weir installed a Meyer Sound Constellation acoustic system in his Tamalpais Research Institute (TRI).
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    Meyer Sound Laboratories, Incorporated

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    So many great ideas come out of a misunderstanding......

    Gary----

    I think you misunderstood, you're thinking of 4/21/1972, while I think of 4/21/71. And other 71s, of course...........

    Doc
    We are infected by our own misunderstanding of how our own minds work.............

  • #2363
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    great write up. Guess I need to go back thru that video. Havent watched in a few years. When was the meet up with the movies for this show? Of course, going by memory may have things confused.

    Found yesterday on archive forum, then to a posted new video of 1976-08-04 Roosevelt Stadium. Posted about 3 weeks ago. It is not complete, made of form multiple sources, SB plus video. Looks like they have almost all video when I ran thru. Video goes to 3 hour plus marker but did not do but a cursory review, under 3 minutes or so.

    So youtube, then GD, then date should allow you to find. Got a lot of music building on my plate.

    G

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    Hey rockers!!

    I said I wouldn't be posting about 71s for a while, but I shall make an exception for April 21, 1971. And what a fine exception it is...............

    No bells & whistles, no frills, no midi. Lacking subtlety, bacon greasy, crunchy, hard edged, a thunderous example of the "sledgehammer approach" on display in April 1971. Rock and roll, Grateful Dead.................

    Oh, the shows I missed growing up!!!

    It is not light that we need, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder; we need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake.

    Doc
    I am a being of Heaven and Earth, of thunder and lightning, of rain and wind, of the galaxies...........

  • #2365
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    Dust off that rusty tank

    4/19/82
    Baptism by fire?
    I forget, first dead AND ?
    Great story, I can’t imagine, well, actually I can lol.

    Pretty darn good first show eh!
    Starts out a tad slow as can be the case, but built up nice throughout the set, with a nice set list: On the Road, Roses, Women Are, Might As Well, AND! It has both a Cumberland, and a PEGGY O!
    Stranger perhaps not the beast it would become, but nice opener here directly into Franks, Nice Estimated, but then into Terrapin instead of status quo eyes. Were you familiar with the music yet?
    yeah sweet first show, but wait kids, there’s more!
    That wonderful crazy space, man I remember getting a tape of that set, and Hartford, played the hell outta em, rents probably knew for sure then we’d gone nuts lol.
    But yeah, slides back to earth on The Wheel, with a interesting Truckin’ for lack of better term, and a very nice Stella.
    Then a double shot of Bobster and a fine end of tour Brokedown.

    Sound was good except the vocals were out front a tad for my preference, and the usual splice or three, but totally enjoyable, best version I’ve heard. Also, it was nice to hear the whole space segment, I’d only ever heard it in progress, so that was cool, no tank here but some tasty, potent Golden Goat had me laughing on the inside.
    Made for a needed, very nice, relaxing afternoon after a couple weird days, including no tunes : (

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    That is another interesting story in their history. I spent a little time on archive today. Haven't done that in a long time. Amazing the amount of stuff that shows up over there. A totally different subset of heads. I am just now getting to understand that there may be more than I can image to come out yet. Got on a discussion board there and it was an eye opener.

    Any way, I plan to watch the 42 discussion. I actually prefer being hidden back here. Of course everything in public domain. We are everywhere. Or is it, we are the marketing department.

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    I was close... if you google it you will get an answer pretty quick. Here is a quick quote from my first google land.

    Rosie McGee was cracking up at her desk when Dennis "Wiz" Leonard walked in from lunch.

    "What's the story?" Wiz asked McGee, then a receptionist and bookkeeper at Alembic, a California-based custom electric guitar, bass, and pre-amp company where Wiz worked as an audio engineer.

    "Well, the Department of Defense just called me," she told him. "They were asking if we could defer the purchase of our next four 3500s, so they could get four."

    Those amps were in high demand at Alembic. The 3500s, in particular, would be used in the Wall of Sound's vocal array tweeters, drum tweeters, and for Jerry Garcia's guitars. But was it just Alembic buying them up? A rumor was going around—a "urban myth," Wiz told me—that the US military was using Mac 3500s for sonar, specifically to listen for Soviet submarines.

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    Isn't the goal here to be lighthearted? I try my best to not let the craziness of the world/media not get to me here? Isn't the goal here to be a kind prankster? They ask, "Are you kind?" Most of the flamers I look like as children, either actual age or not. Many are so deep in social media and issues that result thereof, they cannot see what it is doing to them. They are being handled, manipulated, and unwittingly abused by the profiteers. I try to stay away.

    Jim, had no idea of the McIntosh amp issues. Thanks for that piece of info. As much as I love the music, it is just how they were. So real and fun which someone wrote, "creating their own iconography." The richness of their traditions and internal musical dialog that we love is an unending source of comfort as they lived it everyday for 30 years. I wish I had a shot at hearing even 50% of their music, but as I have written before, my OCD makes me wear out a great jam over and over instead of looking for the next one. Need to work on that for sure.

    So Jim and Oro and many others, thanks for passing the test.

    G

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    You are kind soul.. I appreciate all you provide here. Same goes to Oro. I think it would take a face to face to catch me up on all the technology (old or new) that the two of you bring for me to truly understand. As for old.. and I am sure you both know.. in either late 73 or early 74 (I think 73).. the GD got into a scuffle with DOD over equipment they were ordering that was desperately needed for national security. Apparently, the Macintosh amps they were buying in unprecedented numbers were needed both in general and more specifically by special, top secret subs that needed the clean sound and amplification to either detect enemy interference or better hear and make stealth the noise they were making. So they called the GD and tried to work out a way to either stall, postpone or barter a purchasing arrangement that would not jeopardize national security.

    I think this is well known, and I apologize in advance for going on memory and surely confusing some of the information listed above as fact. ..but what is written is pretty close, if someone can clarify and correct it would not offend me in the least.

    Hope I didn't write anything that was incorrect or in any way interpreted as insulting or offensive.

    As for chainsaws and sawzaws to clear way for our living room WOS.. what could possibly be more fun.

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    Ah the sounds of my earliest fun dentist. "You dont need no gas!"

    All my stereo stuff is old, always fussy. Running all old Yamaha into JBL (plus svs). Trying to get stuff cleaned and parts replaced. When it is on, it is quite the stereo indeed. I have an old yamaha eq that I hooked up when Dave's first show was released. Goes into Pre amp, then to a yamaha mx-830. The MX-830 is powering 4 jbl g300's and 2 jbl LX 600's. Running 6 speakers means the amp is running at 550 watts at 2 ohms. It cooks. The speakers all have same tweeters and mid ranges. The 300s run 8" woofers and the 600s have 10 inch woofers. It is old but as you say "in budget." Smile.

    edit:
    Then the svs has a 550 watt continous, 850 watt peak sledge. The svs I picked up a few years back for $399. I had to have a sub with an internal crossover. So out of preamp to svs (rca cables), then back into the preamp, then to amp. Having old yamaha means older connection points. Modern amps control the crossover themself and pump sub out already crossed over. I happen to run my internal sub amp at a cutoff of 82 hz. George Lucas uses 80 hz crossover in his THX sound systems. So I am slightly above that. I did some sampling of the room using the preamp features.

    G

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/15/2020 - 18:30

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When I said Shoreline 5/10/91, I meant the whole run, three shows. Aren't we doing three show runs in a single day?

I'm quite sure Brewer can keep up.

At least until we run out of three show runs. Then we move on to four show runs.

I cannot compete with a Moose. They look nice and peaceful, but like a hippo.. once you get too close they are mean as hell. Beware the Moose. Quite the cool story, Oro. I love Moose. The first time I stumbled into Jackson Hole.. I heard dead music coming from this bar, so the three of us ventured.. there was a dead cover band playing in the Mangy Moose. Pure coincidence, a hand grabbed me on my shoulder and it was a good friend from college that didn't finish and went out West to live.. This was ~30+ years ago and we were on a climbing trip.. we stayed up late, woke up at 4:00 anyway and climbed the middle Teton in the morning, getting back to a car at the bottom at 10:00 pm with a dead battery. ..but it was a stick, so we push started and found a place open that sold burritos and beer to finish the night.

So I have a soft spot for Moose's. My friend, Marty, an avid deadhead styled us for the weekend. I have seen Moose perhaps a dozen times, but that's the best Moose story I have in me.

How’s bout y’all turn me on to some 77 I haven’t heard.....so probably anything that’s not an official release.....OR!
Perhaps the whole show from 5/22/77 DP 3.....never heard the whole show in sequence etc, OR???.....
I have about 15 minutes to download, so chop chop, lol, just kidding!

EDIT: DV, born in Conn, 30+ years on NYS west coast, rest in CO...
But I’ve been to 46 states, including the great state of Miny- Soda....did a gig at the caboose! Big fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:17

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I know, I’ve never heard the whole show from 3/18/77! Yeah, that’s it, I’m calling it 3/18/77.
See ya on the other side....

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:38

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This looks good! I haven't heard this one. Another 20 min NFA?! - sign me up.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:44

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....good morning/Day everyone, , Im stuck! Is not fun at all, but I play my dead music & start to feeel alive ! todays pick ; in infamous 9/15-16/78 ‘“Egyptian magician”performances of 1978 Grateful Dead at one of their greatest Peeks era in the bands History t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:47

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Let's do it. Another 77? Okay.

Oroborous, the boozer. That is great! Haven't been there in years.

The site was not working last night, no idea what was going on but when I tried to post a comment, my avatar switched to yours Oroborous. Then it would say access denied. Weird.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:16

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Nice, Love this one!

David Gans turned me on to this in '88 and it's always been a favorite ever since.

Glad I wasn't the only one having issues with the site last night, I thought I broke it :)

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:53

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I run the server for Dead.net, and was at work when Jim exploded my head with his "three shows per day" comment. What's left of my brains flew into the works and gummed it up pretty good.

Oro--The Cabooze? No way. What was your band's name? I used to practically LIVE at the Cabooze back in the day . . .

Speaking of live music, Vikes, are you going to Utepils this weekend for all the socially-distanced, live Dylan/Dead music? I'll be there Saturday if you want to meet in person.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 09:30

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Caboooze, must of been winter/spring of 96?
Was doing Merch on Band Tour. Remember Danko couldn’t get enough of the ribs, lol.
Stayed downtown somewhere? Lots of glass walkways and I believe the hotel accessed a mall?
Being on tour and years ago its mostly a blur, but remember everything was great until the Band, probably Levon, suddenly ended the show, which unfortunately they would do occasionally in those days, and the crowd was not happy! Lol.

Another good Moose story: so my old work partner and I are up working in Mountain Star, another private development on the other side of the valley from Beaver Creek, (sick views) and we step outside to burn one on the back patio. All of a sudden a big Cow Moose comes around the house walking down the sidewalk right towards us! Luckily she wasn’t in a hurry so we just stepped inside and watched her graze from less than 10 feet. Indescribable being that close to a big wild animal like that. It amazes me more folks don’t get stomped as they hang out a lot right in Vail by the river a lot and the tourons always try to get too close... you do not want to piss off a Moose!

NET GLITCH; yeah that was weird last night. Tried posting here twice (reason for 2 below) and nothing...went to DaP 34 board and got to post, but when I tried to edit, nothing.....today of course all my nonsense is posted, lol....
Here I was thinking I got banned or something....glad it wasn’t just me!

Ok, on to the one and only Alahambra. Wish they would of worked that out and played it!

Hey Deadheadbrewer,

Unfortunately, no I wouldn't be heading over to that event, but it sounds like fun.

Let us know how it goes, thanks man!

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:03

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I didn't know you were talking about THE Band!

I had tickets to see them at the Cabooze in early '94(?). The the show was cancelled, and then I moved to Colorado for four years shortly thereafter.

So you experienced the Saint Paul/Minneapolis skyway system. Those were built so that we don't have to walk outside in the winter! :) There are tunnels all over underneath the U of MN campus for the same reason.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:39

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I know a good many of you totally HATE mp3 by the vicious PM's threats I get telling me to watch my digital collection's back! :-)

To those that use mp3 regularly on a dos based computer.

When you open a folder, say, Jerry's Greatest Hits. When the folder opens, bam, all the file names are there AND the mp3 info. This happens in about a millisecond. BUT, sometimes you open a folder and bam, the files names instantly appear, but the mp3 info can take 20 seconds to fill in AND it usually doesn't happen in file name order.

I have investigated this for a while, maybe have an answer, might want more insight.

I have noticed that WHERE the mp3 header record is written matters. "Quick" filling tags have a header record location less than 8,000. "Slow" filling,,, seem to be in the 10 million mark.

To me this suggest WHEN the record is written to the file. If you assemble all the info before writing and know the spec, you can write early in the file. If you write music and assemble info while writing the writing of header will be at end of file (which is why they don't open up in filename order, I think they are opening in file length order)

Any programmers out there who KNOW?

Thanks to all, sorry for the non dead question.

BUT THIS COULD EFFECT US ALL!!!!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:58

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My cousin worked a long time for NFA graphics before moving to Boulder and opening Encore Embroidery. They always needed reliable road help so my cousin threw me some work every now and again (mostly in or between collage and grad school).
I mostly worked with the 90s version of The Band and Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers. I did Further Festival 96 from Pittsburg on till the end in Phoenix I believe it was? Which was grueling! Also Woodstock 94, and though I didn’t work at 7/8&9/95, we did get in via our connections and we’re able to stand onstage for the Bands sets. Of course as soon as they finished they shooed us off. Cool part was everyone but JG was onstage checking out the Band, with Weir literally standing right behind us on stage right. Didn’t talk to him though as the crew didn’t seem to thrilled with all these Band folks on THEIR stage to begin with, so didn’t want to take a chance riling anybody up etc...
My cousin did tons of Dead shows over the years and did get to hang out many times, so has some good stories.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 17:48

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This Winterland 3 night run of ‘77 would be a good Candidate for the 3 show format, spread over 3 days of course.

3/18 is HOT!
3/19 possibly hotter?

Might have to find out!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 18:55

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Great show, but what did you all expect, it is 77!

First show since San Diego and you can hear the changes. Really like the Sugaree, it is different and flows nicely. First Scarlet-Fire. Man, does this let loose soon after.
First and last Terrapin Flyer? Pretty cool. Love the ULB finish. SBD is not the best I have heard but it is solid. Maybe a B+ to A-.

More 77 for tomorrow?? I was hoping we would continue on with that last night at Shoreline in May 91. Is that the 5/12/91 show?
Either way, we can't lose.

That is cool stuff Oroborous, sounds like you got to see and do some fun stuff music wise.

By the way, I am looking for a physical copy of the 91 30 trips show if anyone out there had any extras. I have a copy, but really need the real thing now.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:03

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I'm surprised you didn't go anniversary 7/17/89 Alpine Valley........ The return of We bid you Goodnight...... I was there for all 3 nights....... that first night was perfect, and then the rain showed up!!! Can't go wrong with any Winterland show especially from one of the 3 77 runs...... have a good night.... Pretty sure my Capital Theatre disc is showing up tomorrow here in Rhode Island..... bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:42

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Hey Bob T, that is a fine idea. Are there good sources for the 89 Alpine shows? I know the 88 recordings are not the best.

I was there with you Bob T. Yes, I remember the rain that year. Their last shows at Alpine. My last Dead shows before I started college. 31 years ago.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 21:00

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Yes awesome boards are on archive..... I was a stage ahead of you, I was starting grad school the next month!!! I hear you about the 88 show quality!!! The summer it never rained!!!!! bob t

That’s a sweet run of shows for sure.

Quality SBDs = nice summer time pick.

Plus a 31 year anniversary to boot.

It’s nice to spend a few days on those ;)

Some great reviews in the taper’s compendium that make nice liner note material as well.

Good stuff!

89 was a great year for Alpine Valley.

They know they have to do something about these shows... eventually. I'd like to see video/audio releases of the whole run, but perhaps I am in the minority.

So today's pick is the whole three show '89 run? Just want to get this right so Brewer can start on this nice and early.
I like this three run show per day plan. It's working out quite nicely.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 05:56

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7/17/89 Alpine it is!

Yes Jim, I would love to see these three nights released with video. It would be sweet.

Who knows if it will ever happen.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 09:02

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Scooby roooooo! Woof, woof, woof! So all three today.....just kidding!
Yeah, why the hell aren’t these out? Actually though, I think I’d prefer a fall box, but these would be a close second.
You’d think they would have run Downhill from Here for SS tonight but so far Dave hasn’t ever gone the anniversary route with anything, except the 50th releases.

So a little story, sorry, probably told in the past?
I went with my cousin Pumas but we could only catch the first 2 shows as he had to be to his recently new respectable upstanding like job. So we go in his brand spanking new Pontiac grand am I think it was (Me driving because I was the driver in those days) .....and our plan was to go commando, no not that, get your head outta the gutter! Meaning no tents or nothing besides basic essentials. Probably toiletries (sorry, never was into the whole no bathing thing), a large cooler, BEER, duh!, probably some vitamins and basic breakfast stuff and some snacks, rain gear and some clothes, oh yeah, and party favors, but not sure there comparatively was much of that as he didn’t do much anymore and I was cutting waaaayyyy back in those days...(I’m sure I still had more than enough). That may still sound like a lot of stuff for some folks, but compared to what all I had in my truck of the big 73 LTD back in 87, this was nothing! (Including my golf clubs which literally kept me out of jail that year!), but I digress..
Anyway, the second day we decide to go eat and find a hose to rinse off etc and so as we’re leaving we’re stopped at the entrance behind this tiny car just packed with heads, like they were literally sticking out the windows, the sun roof, and someone was in the trunk! Oh, and to set the stage: there were donut eaters hanging everywhere by this entrance, and occasionally one would direct traffic....so this gal try’s to pull out a few times but no go. Meanwhile the cops are laughing and checking these clowns out. Us, were just sitting there waiting for these idiots to pull the fug out.....so finally she starts to pull out, but then abruptly stops then backs up again?? Whaaaa? Then, next chance she gets she guns it only she’s still in reverse!...........BAAAMMM......right into my cousins new car, Doooaaahhh!
Now, as the cops put down their coffee and Bismarck’s, and start to come over, several things are going through this ole boys head: shit, do I still have drugs in my pocket?..., am I already legally intoxicated, do I look like it etc.....
Poor Pumas, didn’t say too much (he usually doesn’t that’s partially why we call him Pumas), but you can tell he’s pissed and flipping out inside. Well tragedy was narrowly averted once again as the cops told us both to get outta the way and then proceeded to go to town on the poor freaks in the clown car, though even the cops were laughing at how many people piled out. They totally left us alone, Pumas did a quick info swap with the gal, luckily only minor superficial damage to his car, and we were outta there relatively quick. The other car not so good....
As we were leaving they were starting to search their car and line em all up.......
I don’t know what it was about Alpine, but almost every time I went, something crazy, spontaneous, and potentially liberty suspending would occur to me. But just as unusual was how tragedy was averted and your boy stayed free. But those are stories for another time....
So 7/17/89 today sounds awesome for a Friday, oh, and how’s bout that 3/18/77 pick yesterday, “huh, huh, who wants a Fresca?” Only had background listening going on, but yeah, neat little show. Y’all hit the high points so I won’t, except to say how much I wish they would of worked up that Alhambra bridge into the song. It sounded like Phil and the drummers were raring to go, and Bob follows, but JG obviously didn’t want to really go there so didn’t! I’m sure that’s a tough passage for him to play, but still, sigh, yet another of the most cool things they did in the studio, but not so much, or ever, live....a good portion of Blues For Allah album comes to mind! Well, glad y’all enjoyed that one. Doesn’t seem to show up on the radar. Which given it follows Cow Palace and Swing, and has to compete with the rest of the auspicious year is not surprising. Ok, have to git er done, but at least I’ll have some killer 89 to lighten the load,
Ciao

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 14:49

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Ok I'm Biased since i was there.... I'm already on the Uncle John's Band on set II.... First set makes me wish that they didn't drop Built to Last and When Push Comes to Shove so fast.... Me and My Uncle into Cumberland.... extra bonus... I'll stop there since I will say all the songs were good, and I said I wasn't going to be biased. 10 Song first set, 5 songs before drums..... 4 songs after space and 2 encores........ they seemed in no hurry (A little different the next night on 7/18/89).... Looking forward to 7/8/90 concert tonight!!!! Bob t

....been waaaaaay too long since i've checked out this show. It's a keeper.
Also, shipping notice for GarciaLive 14 just hit my inbox.

Great call Bob t and yes the SBD is awesome. It is great and brings backs tons of memories. How about that Cumberland? Just finished the first set. Man, can we go back?

Great stuff Oroborous!

Second set later and the two song encore was top stuff.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 17:17

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....I can't stay here much longer, Melinda
The sun is getting high
I can't help you with your troubles
If you won't help with mine
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Gotta get down to the mine
You keep me up just one more night
I can't stop here no more
Little Ben clock says quarter to eight
You kept me up till four
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Or I can't work there no more
Lotta poor man make a five dollar bill
Will keep him happy all the time
Some other fellow's making nothing at all
And you can hear him cry
Can I go, buddy, can I go down
Take your shift at the mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
That's where I mainly spend my time
Make good money, five dollars a day
If I made any more I might move away
Lotta poor man got the Cumberland Blues
He can't win for losing
Lotta poor man got to walk the line
Just to pay his union dues
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again.

Yeah. It's kinda like that.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:26

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Should we keep this party going with 7/18/89 of the Alpine run?

I am I going to check it out.

Stay well folks.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:39

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.....guess i forgot to mention 7.18.89 for today. I'm at Eyes already. My bad, people.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 16:23

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A sibling's birthday show. My sister was born on 7-18, about 40 miles from East Troy :-)

Happy Birthday, Jen! Love you! :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 17:19

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Sounding pretty sweet so far. The mind is spinning. I distinctly remember the Scarlet, minus the fire from this show. Really enjoying these shows. We are a lucky brunch to have all this unbelievable music.
Nice Wilfred. I love this part of WI.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 19:23

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Got a PM from Brewer. He suggested we do the whole 87 MSG run tomorrow since he has off work.

A meager five shows. Apparently it's Mrs. Brewers favorite year. Seems reasonable to me.

Edit: I thought we did all three Alpine shows yesterday.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 13:27

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Off the top of my head, Alpine Valley 1989.... Deer Creek 1990, and Selland Arena 1974... P.S. The 6/10/73 RFK show was on Sirius today... started at noon and was still on at 4!!!!! Bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:10

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Also my favorite Desolation Row, with Jerry hitting back ups at the perfect time!!! Good Althea and Sugaree also... Rained the whole day on the 19th!!!!!! bob t

I cheated and did Downhill from Here DVD on Friday night, then played VV 1 DVD.
Yesterday did first listen of WMD/2/21 etc,
So though the natural thing would be all in on Alpine...I think I’m going to get bogged down with this release, a few more good spins of 34 and then 35. But that’s at home, at work I’ll be looking forward to more off the grid shows from the archive etc, or what ever you nice folks decide...
So, yeah, I’ve always felt Alpine 89 and 7/17 especially were personal top picks, but haven’t heard in a while...probably since last year lol, so was surprisingly blown away, again, at just how great this show is! The whole weekend really deserves some kind of upgraded release. And like brother Hendrix freak with fall 72, i ain’t shuttin’ up about fall 89 until it happens.....more killer multi-track anyone?
Ok, time to stir the pot, what do you think is better: a good 2 track Beatty board, or a multi-track of other origins....answer....a multi-track Beatty 😉 (cue rim shot)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:55

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Let's finish this out with the wonderful 7/19/89! Thanks for the memories.
And Vguy are you buying brunch?
Yes, okay should have been bunch.

Oroborous, yes, there are tons of great multi track shows left and would love to see more fall 89 released. We have some. After listening to these great summer 89 shows, man, let's get these out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 15:55

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I haven’t been keeping up with the daily picks, but I did just jump onboard today’s fine selection and started playing the 7-19-89 dvd-r.
I was able to get Set 2 on VHS in the late 90’s, and it was grainy but a great companion to Downhill From Here.
7-17-89 was my second show but like a foolish youngster I didn’t know that I was supposed to go every show in a run.

I have sort of given up hope for 2020. 2021 anyone?

Missed out on today's pick, which saddens me somewhat. But we did get an ok Desolation Row last week, so that sort of balances things out. Had a great day, which adds just enough yang to counter the ying.

I guess that's the best we can do somedays, which is exactly just good enough to make the world spin.