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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2371
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    Do you have any '74 Dijon?

    Neanderthal's use chain saws.. a sophisticated audiophile attacks their living rooms delicately with a sawzaw.

    I'm totally jealous.. I am blasting with my 20 year old Denon, similar age speakers with no intents on upgrading anytime soon. Budgets be budgets..

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    Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

    No 18's here. Of course not needed.

    Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

    I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

    Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

    That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

    Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

    I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

    Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

    Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

    G

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    That’s what chain saws are for!

    Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
    What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
    But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
    Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

    PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.

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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

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    Oro

    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

    G

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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    Fall Out from the Phil Zone

    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

    G

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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    Congrats Jim!!!

    Knew we were getting close. Still love the Raven show. I am a huge '82 fan.

    This was the same time as my first drop, April 1982, what a life changing event, as I know 4/19 was for you.

    First 2 drops were Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze. Not too bad for first 2. Man, there is a lot to write about with those 2.

    Thanks Jim for being such a solid rock of posting here, and again, Congrats.

    G

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    4/19 - Why take one when two will do?

    I can't say no to that. A pivotal moment in the life of Jim.

    The drive home (including the arduous task of finding the car) was perhaps scarier than that moment when they derailed into discord and mayhem shortly after drums. The driver, the older brother of the friend I went with, was totally straight and a taper. The two of us had never seen the dead before and we both indulged - two each. Making it through space intact was the first challenge.. then we had to live through it again on the drive home. I was given very strict instructions which I followed as if my life depended on it, "He cannot know." So we hop in the car, he takes out his newly recorded master and fast forwards to that very moment it all began.

    "Quoth the Raven Nevermore. ....It was a dark and stormy night.... Wasn't it?" and the laughing and the sounds of nitrous.

    Listening to this again for the first time in a while, that laugh at the beginning of space that sounds remarkably like the laugh repeated over and over again on a loop cycle during the excellent Space from Dave's Picks 40, Deer Creek 6/18/90. It's the same laugh whether recreated or brought back to life from this recording? Not sure.

    Looking back on this 40 years later, I have to think maybe Larry wasn't as straight as he was purported to be. How could he not have known we were holding on for dear life on that fateful drive home? Perhaps he fast forwarded to that space because he knew and approved? A test? Questions that will likely remain unanswered.

    If you haven't heard this check it out, there's a brand spanking new Miller on the archive that reeks of an upgrade. On a similar note, Lemieux has been playing stuff from this tour this year. I recall him referring to it as "a most excellent tour", perhaps foreshadowing things to come?

    To me, the sound is better than some of the 82 that's found it's way to CD.. When the sweet chords of the Wheel finally broke through the madness that came before it.. I realized things were going to be ok after all. And they were. But the half hour before that and the half hour drive home took some time to make sense out of. Thankfully the Wheel and Stella Blue were there to provide support and ground us after our travels.

    I'd like to think we both passed the test. ahh.. well, onward.

    Edit: Two additional comments.. the discord probably started with Feel Like a Stranger, also that Brokedown Palace was sweet. 81 and 82 have some really nice versions of these songs, Jerry's voice was in good shape during this period. a real highlight.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/15/2020 - 18:30

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When I said Shoreline 5/10/91, I meant the whole run, three shows. Aren't we doing three show runs in a single day?

I'm quite sure Brewer can keep up.

At least until we run out of three show runs. Then we move on to four show runs.

I cannot compete with a Moose. They look nice and peaceful, but like a hippo.. once you get too close they are mean as hell. Beware the Moose. Quite the cool story, Oro. I love Moose. The first time I stumbled into Jackson Hole.. I heard dead music coming from this bar, so the three of us ventured.. there was a dead cover band playing in the Mangy Moose. Pure coincidence, a hand grabbed me on my shoulder and it was a good friend from college that didn't finish and went out West to live.. This was ~30+ years ago and we were on a climbing trip.. we stayed up late, woke up at 4:00 anyway and climbed the middle Teton in the morning, getting back to a car at the bottom at 10:00 pm with a dead battery. ..but it was a stick, so we push started and found a place open that sold burritos and beer to finish the night.

So I have a soft spot for Moose's. My friend, Marty, an avid deadhead styled us for the weekend. I have seen Moose perhaps a dozen times, but that's the best Moose story I have in me.

How’s bout y’all turn me on to some 77 I haven’t heard.....so probably anything that’s not an official release.....OR!
Perhaps the whole show from 5/22/77 DP 3.....never heard the whole show in sequence etc, OR???.....
I have about 15 minutes to download, so chop chop, lol, just kidding!

EDIT: DV, born in Conn, 30+ years on NYS west coast, rest in CO...
But I’ve been to 46 states, including the great state of Miny- Soda....did a gig at the caboose! Big fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:17

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I know, I’ve never heard the whole show from 3/18/77! Yeah, that’s it, I’m calling it 3/18/77.
See ya on the other side....

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:38

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This looks good! I haven't heard this one. Another 20 min NFA?! - sign me up.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:44

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....good morning/Day everyone, , Im stuck! Is not fun at all, but I play my dead music & start to feeel alive ! todays pick ; in infamous 9/15-16/78 ‘“Egyptian magician”performances of 1978 Grateful Dead at one of their greatest Peeks era in the bands History t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:47

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Let's do it. Another 77? Okay.

Oroborous, the boozer. That is great! Haven't been there in years.

The site was not working last night, no idea what was going on but when I tried to post a comment, my avatar switched to yours Oroborous. Then it would say access denied. Weird.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:16

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Nice, Love this one!

David Gans turned me on to this in '88 and it's always been a favorite ever since.

Glad I wasn't the only one having issues with the site last night, I thought I broke it :)

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:53

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I run the server for Dead.net, and was at work when Jim exploded my head with his "three shows per day" comment. What's left of my brains flew into the works and gummed it up pretty good.

Oro--The Cabooze? No way. What was your band's name? I used to practically LIVE at the Cabooze back in the day . . .

Speaking of live music, Vikes, are you going to Utepils this weekend for all the socially-distanced, live Dylan/Dead music? I'll be there Saturday if you want to meet in person.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 09:30

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Caboooze, must of been winter/spring of 96?
Was doing Merch on Band Tour. Remember Danko couldn’t get enough of the ribs, lol.
Stayed downtown somewhere? Lots of glass walkways and I believe the hotel accessed a mall?
Being on tour and years ago its mostly a blur, but remember everything was great until the Band, probably Levon, suddenly ended the show, which unfortunately they would do occasionally in those days, and the crowd was not happy! Lol.

Another good Moose story: so my old work partner and I are up working in Mountain Star, another private development on the other side of the valley from Beaver Creek, (sick views) and we step outside to burn one on the back patio. All of a sudden a big Cow Moose comes around the house walking down the sidewalk right towards us! Luckily she wasn’t in a hurry so we just stepped inside and watched her graze from less than 10 feet. Indescribable being that close to a big wild animal like that. It amazes me more folks don’t get stomped as they hang out a lot right in Vail by the river a lot and the tourons always try to get too close... you do not want to piss off a Moose!

NET GLITCH; yeah that was weird last night. Tried posting here twice (reason for 2 below) and nothing...went to DaP 34 board and got to post, but when I tried to edit, nothing.....today of course all my nonsense is posted, lol....
Here I was thinking I got banned or something....glad it wasn’t just me!

Ok, on to the one and only Alahambra. Wish they would of worked that out and played it!

Hey Deadheadbrewer,

Unfortunately, no I wouldn't be heading over to that event, but it sounds like fun.

Let us know how it goes, thanks man!

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:03

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I didn't know you were talking about THE Band!

I had tickets to see them at the Cabooze in early '94(?). The the show was cancelled, and then I moved to Colorado for four years shortly thereafter.

So you experienced the Saint Paul/Minneapolis skyway system. Those were built so that we don't have to walk outside in the winter! :) There are tunnels all over underneath the U of MN campus for the same reason.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:39

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I know a good many of you totally HATE mp3 by the vicious PM's threats I get telling me to watch my digital collection's back! :-)

To those that use mp3 regularly on a dos based computer.

When you open a folder, say, Jerry's Greatest Hits. When the folder opens, bam, all the file names are there AND the mp3 info. This happens in about a millisecond. BUT, sometimes you open a folder and bam, the files names instantly appear, but the mp3 info can take 20 seconds to fill in AND it usually doesn't happen in file name order.

I have investigated this for a while, maybe have an answer, might want more insight.

I have noticed that WHERE the mp3 header record is written matters. "Quick" filling tags have a header record location less than 8,000. "Slow" filling,,, seem to be in the 10 million mark.

To me this suggest WHEN the record is written to the file. If you assemble all the info before writing and know the spec, you can write early in the file. If you write music and assemble info while writing the writing of header will be at end of file (which is why they don't open up in filename order, I think they are opening in file length order)

Any programmers out there who KNOW?

Thanks to all, sorry for the non dead question.

BUT THIS COULD EFFECT US ALL!!!!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:58

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My cousin worked a long time for NFA graphics before moving to Boulder and opening Encore Embroidery. They always needed reliable road help so my cousin threw me some work every now and again (mostly in or between collage and grad school).
I mostly worked with the 90s version of The Band and Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers. I did Further Festival 96 from Pittsburg on till the end in Phoenix I believe it was? Which was grueling! Also Woodstock 94, and though I didn’t work at 7/8&9/95, we did get in via our connections and we’re able to stand onstage for the Bands sets. Of course as soon as they finished they shooed us off. Cool part was everyone but JG was onstage checking out the Band, with Weir literally standing right behind us on stage right. Didn’t talk to him though as the crew didn’t seem to thrilled with all these Band folks on THEIR stage to begin with, so didn’t want to take a chance riling anybody up etc...
My cousin did tons of Dead shows over the years and did get to hang out many times, so has some good stories.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 17:48

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This Winterland 3 night run of ‘77 would be a good Candidate for the 3 show format, spread over 3 days of course.

3/18 is HOT!
3/19 possibly hotter?

Might have to find out!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 18:55

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Great show, but what did you all expect, it is 77!

First show since San Diego and you can hear the changes. Really like the Sugaree, it is different and flows nicely. First Scarlet-Fire. Man, does this let loose soon after.
First and last Terrapin Flyer? Pretty cool. Love the ULB finish. SBD is not the best I have heard but it is solid. Maybe a B+ to A-.

More 77 for tomorrow?? I was hoping we would continue on with that last night at Shoreline in May 91. Is that the 5/12/91 show?
Either way, we can't lose.

That is cool stuff Oroborous, sounds like you got to see and do some fun stuff music wise.

By the way, I am looking for a physical copy of the 91 30 trips show if anyone out there had any extras. I have a copy, but really need the real thing now.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:03

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I'm surprised you didn't go anniversary 7/17/89 Alpine Valley........ The return of We bid you Goodnight...... I was there for all 3 nights....... that first night was perfect, and then the rain showed up!!! Can't go wrong with any Winterland show especially from one of the 3 77 runs...... have a good night.... Pretty sure my Capital Theatre disc is showing up tomorrow here in Rhode Island..... bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:42

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Hey Bob T, that is a fine idea. Are there good sources for the 89 Alpine shows? I know the 88 recordings are not the best.

I was there with you Bob T. Yes, I remember the rain that year. Their last shows at Alpine. My last Dead shows before I started college. 31 years ago.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 21:00

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Yes awesome boards are on archive..... I was a stage ahead of you, I was starting grad school the next month!!! I hear you about the 88 show quality!!! The summer it never rained!!!!! bob t

That’s a sweet run of shows for sure.

Quality SBDs = nice summer time pick.

Plus a 31 year anniversary to boot.

It’s nice to spend a few days on those ;)

Some great reviews in the taper’s compendium that make nice liner note material as well.

Good stuff!

89 was a great year for Alpine Valley.

They know they have to do something about these shows... eventually. I'd like to see video/audio releases of the whole run, but perhaps I am in the minority.

So today's pick is the whole three show '89 run? Just want to get this right so Brewer can start on this nice and early.
I like this three run show per day plan. It's working out quite nicely.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 05:56

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7/17/89 Alpine it is!

Yes Jim, I would love to see these three nights released with video. It would be sweet.

Who knows if it will ever happen.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 09:02

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Scooby roooooo! Woof, woof, woof! So all three today.....just kidding!
Yeah, why the hell aren’t these out? Actually though, I think I’d prefer a fall box, but these would be a close second.
You’d think they would have run Downhill from Here for SS tonight but so far Dave hasn’t ever gone the anniversary route with anything, except the 50th releases.

So a little story, sorry, probably told in the past?
I went with my cousin Pumas but we could only catch the first 2 shows as he had to be to his recently new respectable upstanding like job. So we go in his brand spanking new Pontiac grand am I think it was (Me driving because I was the driver in those days) .....and our plan was to go commando, no not that, get your head outta the gutter! Meaning no tents or nothing besides basic essentials. Probably toiletries (sorry, never was into the whole no bathing thing), a large cooler, BEER, duh!, probably some vitamins and basic breakfast stuff and some snacks, rain gear and some clothes, oh yeah, and party favors, but not sure there comparatively was much of that as he didn’t do much anymore and I was cutting waaaayyyy back in those days...(I’m sure I still had more than enough). That may still sound like a lot of stuff for some folks, but compared to what all I had in my truck of the big 73 LTD back in 87, this was nothing! (Including my golf clubs which literally kept me out of jail that year!), but I digress..
Anyway, the second day we decide to go eat and find a hose to rinse off etc and so as we’re leaving we’re stopped at the entrance behind this tiny car just packed with heads, like they were literally sticking out the windows, the sun roof, and someone was in the trunk! Oh, and to set the stage: there were donut eaters hanging everywhere by this entrance, and occasionally one would direct traffic....so this gal try’s to pull out a few times but no go. Meanwhile the cops are laughing and checking these clowns out. Us, were just sitting there waiting for these idiots to pull the fug out.....so finally she starts to pull out, but then abruptly stops then backs up again?? Whaaaa? Then, next chance she gets she guns it only she’s still in reverse!...........BAAAMMM......right into my cousins new car, Doooaaahhh!
Now, as the cops put down their coffee and Bismarck’s, and start to come over, several things are going through this ole boys head: shit, do I still have drugs in my pocket?..., am I already legally intoxicated, do I look like it etc.....
Poor Pumas, didn’t say too much (he usually doesn’t that’s partially why we call him Pumas), but you can tell he’s pissed and flipping out inside. Well tragedy was narrowly averted once again as the cops told us both to get outta the way and then proceeded to go to town on the poor freaks in the clown car, though even the cops were laughing at how many people piled out. They totally left us alone, Pumas did a quick info swap with the gal, luckily only minor superficial damage to his car, and we were outta there relatively quick. The other car not so good....
As we were leaving they were starting to search their car and line em all up.......
I don’t know what it was about Alpine, but almost every time I went, something crazy, spontaneous, and potentially liberty suspending would occur to me. But just as unusual was how tragedy was averted and your boy stayed free. But those are stories for another time....
So 7/17/89 today sounds awesome for a Friday, oh, and how’s bout that 3/18/77 pick yesterday, “huh, huh, who wants a Fresca?” Only had background listening going on, but yeah, neat little show. Y’all hit the high points so I won’t, except to say how much I wish they would of worked up that Alhambra bridge into the song. It sounded like Phil and the drummers were raring to go, and Bob follows, but JG obviously didn’t want to really go there so didn’t! I’m sure that’s a tough passage for him to play, but still, sigh, yet another of the most cool things they did in the studio, but not so much, or ever, live....a good portion of Blues For Allah album comes to mind! Well, glad y’all enjoyed that one. Doesn’t seem to show up on the radar. Which given it follows Cow Palace and Swing, and has to compete with the rest of the auspicious year is not surprising. Ok, have to git er done, but at least I’ll have some killer 89 to lighten the load,
Ciao

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 14:49

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Ok I'm Biased since i was there.... I'm already on the Uncle John's Band on set II.... First set makes me wish that they didn't drop Built to Last and When Push Comes to Shove so fast.... Me and My Uncle into Cumberland.... extra bonus... I'll stop there since I will say all the songs were good, and I said I wasn't going to be biased. 10 Song first set, 5 songs before drums..... 4 songs after space and 2 encores........ they seemed in no hurry (A little different the next night on 7/18/89).... Looking forward to 7/8/90 concert tonight!!!! Bob t

....been waaaaaay too long since i've checked out this show. It's a keeper.
Also, shipping notice for GarciaLive 14 just hit my inbox.

Great call Bob t and yes the SBD is awesome. It is great and brings backs tons of memories. How about that Cumberland? Just finished the first set. Man, can we go back?

Great stuff Oroborous!

Second set later and the two song encore was top stuff.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 17:17

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....I can't stay here much longer, Melinda
The sun is getting high
I can't help you with your troubles
If you won't help with mine
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Gotta get down to the mine
You keep me up just one more night
I can't stop here no more
Little Ben clock says quarter to eight
You kept me up till four
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Or I can't work there no more
Lotta poor man make a five dollar bill
Will keep him happy all the time
Some other fellow's making nothing at all
And you can hear him cry
Can I go, buddy, can I go down
Take your shift at the mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
That's where I mainly spend my time
Make good money, five dollars a day
If I made any more I might move away
Lotta poor man got the Cumberland Blues
He can't win for losing
Lotta poor man got to walk the line
Just to pay his union dues
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again.

Yeah. It's kinda like that.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:26

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Should we keep this party going with 7/18/89 of the Alpine run?

I am I going to check it out.

Stay well folks.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:39

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.....guess i forgot to mention 7.18.89 for today. I'm at Eyes already. My bad, people.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 16:23

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A sibling's birthday show. My sister was born on 7-18, about 40 miles from East Troy :-)

Happy Birthday, Jen! Love you! :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 17:19

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Sounding pretty sweet so far. The mind is spinning. I distinctly remember the Scarlet, minus the fire from this show. Really enjoying these shows. We are a lucky brunch to have all this unbelievable music.
Nice Wilfred. I love this part of WI.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 19:23

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Got a PM from Brewer. He suggested we do the whole 87 MSG run tomorrow since he has off work.

A meager five shows. Apparently it's Mrs. Brewers favorite year. Seems reasonable to me.

Edit: I thought we did all three Alpine shows yesterday.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 13:27

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Off the top of my head, Alpine Valley 1989.... Deer Creek 1990, and Selland Arena 1974... P.S. The 6/10/73 RFK show was on Sirius today... started at noon and was still on at 4!!!!! Bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:10

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Also my favorite Desolation Row, with Jerry hitting back ups at the perfect time!!! Good Althea and Sugaree also... Rained the whole day on the 19th!!!!!! bob t

I cheated and did Downhill from Here DVD on Friday night, then played VV 1 DVD.
Yesterday did first listen of WMD/2/21 etc,
So though the natural thing would be all in on Alpine...I think I’m going to get bogged down with this release, a few more good spins of 34 and then 35. But that’s at home, at work I’ll be looking forward to more off the grid shows from the archive etc, or what ever you nice folks decide...
So, yeah, I’ve always felt Alpine 89 and 7/17 especially were personal top picks, but haven’t heard in a while...probably since last year lol, so was surprisingly blown away, again, at just how great this show is! The whole weekend really deserves some kind of upgraded release. And like brother Hendrix freak with fall 72, i ain’t shuttin’ up about fall 89 until it happens.....more killer multi-track anyone?
Ok, time to stir the pot, what do you think is better: a good 2 track Beatty board, or a multi-track of other origins....answer....a multi-track Beatty 😉 (cue rim shot)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:55

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Let's finish this out with the wonderful 7/19/89! Thanks for the memories.
And Vguy are you buying brunch?
Yes, okay should have been bunch.

Oroborous, yes, there are tons of great multi track shows left and would love to see more fall 89 released. We have some. After listening to these great summer 89 shows, man, let's get these out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 15:55

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I haven’t been keeping up with the daily picks, but I did just jump onboard today’s fine selection and started playing the 7-19-89 dvd-r.
I was able to get Set 2 on VHS in the late 90’s, and it was grainy but a great companion to Downhill From Here.
7-17-89 was my second show but like a foolish youngster I didn’t know that I was supposed to go every show in a run.

I have sort of given up hope for 2020. 2021 anyone?

Missed out on today's pick, which saddens me somewhat. But we did get an ok Desolation Row last week, so that sort of balances things out. Had a great day, which adds just enough yang to counter the ying.

I guess that's the best we can do somedays, which is exactly just good enough to make the world spin.