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    Dave's Picks Volume 3

    Dave's Picks Volume 3
    October 22, 1971
    SOLD OUT
    Cover Art by Scott McDougall

    REPLACEMENT SHIPPING UPDATE (October 22, 2012):

    The replacement units for Dave's Picks: Volume 3 have begun to ship out to those that reported their order missing.
    We again apologize for the delay and inconvenience, and we thank you for your patience.

    Sincerely,

    The Dead.net Team

    DAVE’S PICKS VOL.3 FEATURES SHOWS FROM KEITH’S FIRST TOUR!

    This product is officially SOLD OUT. Stay tuned for news on Dave's Picks Volume 4.

    In all the years that archival Grateful Dead recordings have been coming out, there have been just three from the red-hot fall of 1971, Keith Godchaux’s landmark first tour with the band. Those would be Dick’s Picks Vol. 2, a rippin’ single-disc release of the second set of the group’s Halloween show at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus, Download Series Vol. 3 from the 10/26 Rochester show and Road Trips Vol. 3 No. 2 from November 15, 1971 in Austin, Texas. Now there is a fourth: Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 features the complete October 22, 1971 concert from the beautiful Auditorium Theatre in Chicago on two discs, with a third disc culled from the previous night’s scorcher at the same venue.

    Keith came into the band in mid-September ’71, at a time when Pigpen was desperately ill and the band was hungering for something new to help fill out their sound. A sparkling pianist, Keith was a complete unknown at the time, yet, miraculously it seemed, fit in with the Dead immediately. The live “Skull & Roses” double-album (recorded in the winter-spring of ’71) had just come out, and the band was still enjoying a surge of unprecedented popularity since Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty were released the previous year. They were on a roll!

    Never ones to rest on their laurels, however, the band continued their torrid pace of introducing new songs: “Sugaree” and “Brown-Eyed Women” first appeared in the summer of ’71, and that fall, when the band with Keith hit the road, starting out in Minneapolis (10/19) and then moving on to Chicago (10/21-22), they had a whole bunch of other freshly minted tunes waiting to be born—“Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “Ramble On Rose,” “Comes A Time” and “One More Saturday Night,” all of which appear on this set.

    The sparkle and verve that Keith brought to the band is immediately apparent, as he tears through rockers and bouncy mid-tempo numbers with the confidence of someone who had been playing this music forever. If the quiet keyboardist was nervous or unsure of himself on this first jaunt, it certainly wasn’t apparent. And you can feel the electricity in the rest of the band, as Jerry, Phil, Bob and Bill absorb and play off of the amazingly inventive musings of their new recruit. Of course Pigpen’s absence was deeply felt (and the band acknowledged it at every stop), but Keith’s entrance was so seamless and the energy he injected into the music so impressive, the group didn’t appear to lose any of the momentum they had been building tour after tour.

    The songs are a blend of old, still-recent (from Workingman’s Dead on) and brand-new. One forgets that crowd-pleasers such as “Bertha,” “Deal” and “Playing in the Band” had come into the repertoire only eight months earlier, and “Truckin’” and “Sugar Magnolia” were just over a year old. Even a bunch of the cover tunes were relatively recent additions—“Big Railroad Blues,” “Me & Bobby McGee” and “Johnny B. Goode.” Keith handles all of those (and earlier chestnuts like “Cold Rain and Snow” and “Beat It On Down the Line”) with his characteristic aplomb, but perhaps most impressive is how he fares on the Dead’s big jamming numbers. On Disc Two, you’ll hear his thoughtful and inventive contributions to a truly stellar, 29-minute version of “That’s It for the Other One.” And on Disc Three (from 10/21), listen to him as he navigates through a spectacular “Dark Star,” which is split by a spirited romp through “Sitting on Top of the World.” The encore of 10/21 also features the first of only three “old school” (pre-hiatus) versions of “St. Stephen” Keith played on.

    Most of the 12,000 limited edition copies of Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 are already spoken for by subscribers to the series, but there are a still a few thousand available through Dead.net only. These will definitely sell out—and fast—so if you want make sure you get your copy, order today! As always, the 3-CD set has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman from the original vault reels, and the eco-friendly Digipak includes a booklet with an essay about the show and, in this case, some very cool photos of the interior of Chicago’s historic Auditorium Theatre. For the complete song lists and ordering info, click here.

    —Blair Jackson

    If you haven't received your copy of Dave's Picks: Volume 3, please see our note at the top of the page.

    DAVID LEMIEUX ON VOLUME 3 & MORE
    David Lemieux sits down for a seaside chat about his favorite moments on Dave's Picks, Volume 3: Auditorium Theater, Chicago, IL - 10/22/71. Watch the video here:

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    I got my copy of Dave's Picks Volume 3 today (in Los Angeles). First let me say I don't really care about it being delayed by a few weeks, I'm just happy to get it and am glad they eventually sorted this whole thing out. There have been a lot of comparisons between the shipping of the Spring 90 box and Dave's Picks Volume 3, but there are at least two important differences between them that I think are important to remember. First there is the simple matter of size. The Spring 90 box is a lot bigger than Dave's Picks Volume 3. I think that the bureaucracy for larger and heavier packages is different, and there are a lot fewer large packages that the post office has to look after. So, given the woefully underfunded nature of the United States Postal Service if they are going to loose track of something, then it makes sense that it would be something smaller in size. Secondly, they shipped from different locations. My copy of Dave's Picks Volume 3 shipped from Redwood City in northern California, while my Spring 90 box shipped from Shepherdsville, Kentucky. So whoever was responsible or shipping out the Spring 90 Box was different than whoever was behind the Dave's Picks kerfuffle.
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    Still waiting for my DP 3. But I feel better knowing "that the issue has been escalated to the escalation department and the escalation department has escalated it." I wonder if they would have waited as patiently for my payment to arrive when I subscribed. This is bogus.
  • chinacat_uk
    12 years 3 months ago
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    DP3 not arrived in the UK. E-mailed address above only to receive a reply stating that the e-mail address was for Spring 1990 box sets only. Less than impressed by the service so far. Will I ever receive my DP3 if I can't register my problem?
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Dave's Picks Volume 3
October 22, 1971
SOLD OUT
Cover Art by Scott McDougall

REPLACEMENT SHIPPING UPDATE (October 22, 2012):

The replacement units for Dave's Picks: Volume 3 have begun to ship out to those that reported their order missing.
We again apologize for the delay and inconvenience, and we thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

The Dead.net Team

DAVE’S PICKS VOL.3 FEATURES SHOWS FROM KEITH’S FIRST TOUR!

This product is officially SOLD OUT. Stay tuned for news on Dave's Picks Volume 4.

In all the years that archival Grateful Dead recordings have been coming out, there have been just three from the red-hot fall of 1971, Keith Godchaux’s landmark first tour with the band. Those would be Dick’s Picks Vol. 2, a rippin’ single-disc release of the second set of the group’s Halloween show at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus, Download Series Vol. 3 from the 10/26 Rochester show and Road Trips Vol. 3 No. 2 from November 15, 1971 in Austin, Texas. Now there is a fourth: Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 features the complete October 22, 1971 concert from the beautiful Auditorium Theatre in Chicago on two discs, with a third disc culled from the previous night’s scorcher at the same venue.

Keith came into the band in mid-September ’71, at a time when Pigpen was desperately ill and the band was hungering for something new to help fill out their sound. A sparkling pianist, Keith was a complete unknown at the time, yet, miraculously it seemed, fit in with the Dead immediately. The live “Skull & Roses” double-album (recorded in the winter-spring of ’71) had just come out, and the band was still enjoying a surge of unprecedented popularity since Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty were released the previous year. They were on a roll!

Never ones to rest on their laurels, however, the band continued their torrid pace of introducing new songs: “Sugaree” and “Brown-Eyed Women” first appeared in the summer of ’71, and that fall, when the band with Keith hit the road, starting out in Minneapolis (10/19) and then moving on to Chicago (10/21-22), they had a whole bunch of other freshly minted tunes waiting to be born—“Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “Ramble On Rose,” “Comes A Time” and “One More Saturday Night,” all of which appear on this set.

The sparkle and verve that Keith brought to the band is immediately apparent, as he tears through rockers and bouncy mid-tempo numbers with the confidence of someone who had been playing this music forever. If the quiet keyboardist was nervous or unsure of himself on this first jaunt, it certainly wasn’t apparent. And you can feel the electricity in the rest of the band, as Jerry, Phil, Bob and Bill absorb and play off of the amazingly inventive musings of their new recruit. Of course Pigpen’s absence was deeply felt (and the band acknowledged it at every stop), but Keith’s entrance was so seamless and the energy he injected into the music so impressive, the group didn’t appear to lose any of the momentum they had been building tour after tour.

The songs are a blend of old, still-recent (from Workingman’s Dead on) and brand-new. One forgets that crowd-pleasers such as “Bertha,” “Deal” and “Playing in the Band” had come into the repertoire only eight months earlier, and “Truckin’” and “Sugar Magnolia” were just over a year old. Even a bunch of the cover tunes were relatively recent additions—“Big Railroad Blues,” “Me & Bobby McGee” and “Johnny B. Goode.” Keith handles all of those (and earlier chestnuts like “Cold Rain and Snow” and “Beat It On Down the Line”) with his characteristic aplomb, but perhaps most impressive is how he fares on the Dead’s big jamming numbers. On Disc Two, you’ll hear his thoughtful and inventive contributions to a truly stellar, 29-minute version of “That’s It for the Other One.” And on Disc Three (from 10/21), listen to him as he navigates through a spectacular “Dark Star,” which is split by a spirited romp through “Sitting on Top of the World.” The encore of 10/21 also features the first of only three “old school” (pre-hiatus) versions of “St. Stephen” Keith played on.

Most of the 12,000 limited edition copies of Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 are already spoken for by subscribers to the series, but there are a still a few thousand available through Dead.net only. These will definitely sell out—and fast—so if you want make sure you get your copy, order today! As always, the 3-CD set has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman from the original vault reels, and the eco-friendly Digipak includes a booklet with an essay about the show and, in this case, some very cool photos of the interior of Chicago’s historic Auditorium Theatre. For the complete song lists and ordering info, click here.

—Blair Jackson

If you haven't received your copy of Dave's Picks: Volume 3, please see our note at the top of the page.

DAVID LEMIEUX ON VOLUME 3 & MORE
David Lemieux sits down for a seaside chat about his favorite moments on Dave's Picks, Volume 3: Auditorium Theater, Chicago, IL - 10/22/71. Watch the video here:

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In all the years that archival Grateful Dead recordings have been coming out, there have been only two from the red-hot fall of 1971, Keith Godchaux’s landmark first tour with the band. Those would be Dick’s Picks Vol. 2, a rippin’ single-disc release of the second set of the group’s Halloween show at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus, and Road Trips Vol. 3 No. 2 from November 15, 1971 in Austin, Texas. Now there is a third: Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 features the complete October 22, 1971 concert from the beautiful Auditorium Theatre in Chicago on two discs, with a third disc culled from the previous night’s scorcher at the same venue.

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Yup, got mine yesterday. Wonders!
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Volume Three is finding it's way. The waiting is the hardest part, and the listening is the best part.
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however i did receive my Spring 90 box. I haven't heard or received any communication about a replacement disc so hopefully it's coming soon. Fingers crossed.
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however i did receive my Spring 90 box. I haven't heard or received any communication about a replacement disc so hopefully it's coming soon. Fingers crossed.
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Both Vol 3 and Spring 1990 today. My mail carrier has had a rough week....
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I'm so happy for all you out there who have gotten your orders. For those who have NOT received your DP3, bear with us!! I promise you everyone at Dead.net is working really hard to get this taken care of.
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I have still not received my DP3 in Bama..but the Spring 90 set arrived today...and it is absolutely fantastic. The replica ticket stubs and laminates give you a connection to the show and the two books it comes with are both very ill and obviously well thought out. I have full faith that DP3 will arrive at some point, and combining its arival with the amazing 90 box set and a ripping Phish tour...all will be right with the world.

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.....the wayward packages are starting to arrive.... Maybe the additional production run may yet be a tragedy narrowly averted? After three or four listens, I'm ok saying this Dark Star is one of the finest slices of Keith improv ever released. (And I'll say again, Sitting On Top of the World is off the hook.) No WONDER they were psyched to have him in the band...... Maybe a couple thousand more copies of Dave's 3 inhabiting the world wouldn't be such a bad thing after all.

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....I'd rather picture a disgruntled postman flinging disc 2s like frisbees at yapping neighbors' dogs ~ or better still, at yapping neighbors ~ than a passionless routing snafu.
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I am waiting here deep in the south of Germany for the DP 3, one and two arrived with no problems. Actually all my orders over the last 10 years or so arrivedwith a smile. Thankfully I do like to wait, if it comes to an end at SOME stage, hihi. And I received a mail that the spring 90 box has been shipped too. So its kind of a "double-wait". It seems like I get bold hair waiting for the music this time. Gratulations to all who already enjoy the music.
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... in still waiting for this to arrive. I thought it was just me, not having looked at this thread properly until now. I should still have some hope then!
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Regarding the other 71 releases, DP2, RT 3.2 & DL3, one notices that DL3 is not 'active', i.e. not red, presumably because it can't be ordered at the moment (and for the last few years). In this particular case I do not mind since I have nos 1-9, but obviously I'm interested in nos 10-12. One would expect this not to be a problem (apart from the artwork, possibly), but they have not been available for a long time. Any chance we'll see those return in the future???
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@Antonjo & cosmicbadgerNow, why didn't I know that! They're relatively expensive however, compared with what dead.net charged a few years ago, but I've been at livedownloads before, for Phish and SCI, I think. Marye, can you confirm that dead.net somehow outsourced delivery of these downloads (perhaps because they date from before Rhino deal?) and that this is legal, original quality etc??
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they have been carrying just about the entire GD catalogue pre road trips for some years on Livedownloads and this has been discussed often on this site. If they were not legit I am sure the Rhino lawyers would have shut them down.. I have bought a few Download Series and Rare Cuts and Oddities. They all work fine in FLAC form and the HDCD worsk too.
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I've given up on Dave's Picks 3. It is clear that a shipment has gone missing / lost / damaged / destroyed / stolen / whatever, and it is a bit late to be looking for it now. This is a limited edition issue and sold out, so there won't be any replacements. With Dick's Picks and Road Trips you could order (and still can) another copy, but missing shipments demonstrate the problem with a limited edition marketing strategy. You place the order, make a payment and nothing arrives. There ought to be a law against it - maybe there is.I suggest disappointed Deadheads salvage what is still available. Four songs from the "listening party", plus the complete "That's it for the other one>Deal" jam from the "Taper's Section", 30 minutes which you won't want to miss. To this can be added "Get Back" (also Taper's Section), and "Ramble On Rose" from "30 Days of Dead 2011", though neither of these two is on vol 3. Such a compilation makes a most satisfactory and enjoyable listen, and you can even download the artwork of the Dave's Pick front cover to "complete the picture". It would be a generous gesture from GD/Rhino to make a download of the three CDs available to disappointed subscribers, maybe the artwork and the text of the booklet as well. I would not expect it soon however, if at all.
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Did you e-mail your order details etc. to DrRhino AT rhino.com and mention that your order has not arrived? If so, you should have received an e-mail back from him. The text of that mail is: "We were very disappointed to learn that a few hundred copies of Dave's Picks: Volume 3, shipped via USPS, have been lost in the mail. We plan to correct the issue and take care of your order by pressing a very limited numbered edition of Dave's Picks: Volume 3. We will have to print and manufacture this limited run, which takes time. We estimate that your copy will be shipped mid-October. We guarantee that it will be shipped via UPS Ground. We will notify you when they ship." If you haven't passed on your order details, I would recommend that you do so directly. I do not know if Rhino know exactly which orders have gone astray. Better to be safe than sorry.
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they are the ones to blame for the fiasco. Not too much detective work needed.
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they (USPS) are the ones to blame for the fiasco, just as was always suspected. No detective work at all needed. I would be interested to know just how much USPS will have to pay Rhino in compensation. I guess that depends on how many copies disappeared forever. Some are still being found and delivered, it would seem.
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Livedownloads.com is legitimate. No need to worry, but thanks for asking.
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...that the USPS was responsible for this fiasco they will not have to pay. Unless of course there is some type of written document that Rhino holds in hand that is a legible receipt.
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I have read that you will be sending out replacement copies on UPS in mid-October. I would like to inform you that UPS (along with Fed Ex) charge exorbitant custom brokerage fees for orders to Canada valued at $20.00 & more. I live in Toronto. For that reason, I do not place orders by UPS or Fed Ex unless the stated value under $20.00. As I do not expect you to state the value below $20.00, I do hope that you mail my order & possibly other similar Canadian orders by USPS & possibly in a more timely manner than regular surface mail.
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that Rhino would be smart enough to have some paperwork showing that they handed almost $300,000 of goods to USPS. Then again, anything can happen here!
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I also do not get orders shipped by UPS as I end up paying exorbitant extra costs, Even worse for me in Europe (across a rather large body of water) is that the e-mail about replacement copies stated that these replacements would be sent by UPS Ground. I think that this is so stated as the vast majority of replacements will be mailed within the mainland US. I do feel that some clarification is needed for foreign customers and I plan to query this with customer service (by e-mail - calling them and getting put on Intercontinetal hold for twenty minutes is a non-starter for me). If I don't get any joy there, I will PM Mary E as she normally gets things sorted. In any event I will try to find out more on this.
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I got a case number from customerservice@dead.net. Do I need to do something else? I never got an email telling me a replacement would be sent in October. I must say this entire situation has been really dissapointing. Communication has always been bad from this site but this lowers the standards even more. I'd be very interested to find out what exactly happened with the missing orders. I'm a city mail carrier and while USPS is far from perfect it is rather far fetched to think that they lost several hundred packages from the same sender. Not saying it's impossible, of course, but this type of problem usually is the result of an error by the sender. Very curious here about what happened. And no, I don't have dozens of copies of DaP3 from my route...wish I had one copy.
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and anyone else who's in doubt, please send the details to Dr. Rhino, who is trying to find out who's still missing their DaP3. drrhino at rhino.com WRT the UPS to non-us addresses, I'll mention this.

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All sheer speculation, of course, but the official note clearly narrows in on the point when orders were "leaving our 3rd party fulfillment center." That hardly indicts USPS, to my mind. For its own sake, I hope that 3rd party fulfillment center keeps good documentation.
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I don't know how the US postal service works but here in the UK there are a number of bulk despatch services available for business customers. So say if you were sending out 10,000 small boxes containing CDs you would pile them up on pallets and deliver them to the local sorting office with documentation listing the total amount and weight of the consignment. Alternatively you would have a despatch firm send a bulk item to various areas and then have the postal service do the "final mile" delivery. In all cases foreign orders would be kept apart as they would require different treatment ... And charges of course. I agree that it would be amazing if such a large number of items had just gone AWOL. More likely that either some pallets got left behind at the fulfilment centre or got separated at the sorting office and ended up sitting in a corner. Either way it should be possible to tie down what has happened with relative ease and locate the missing stock. The fact that no UK orders have turned up tends to confirm the above explanation rather than light-fingered posties or exceptional slowness, although it is August and I would have allowed 28 working days for US to UK deliveries anyway. If copies now start turning up people should let dead.net/rhino know as this will narrow the investigation down quite a bit and enable any compensation to be correctly paid
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I have written a mail to Dr Rhino who has answered me my package was actually sent on July 30 and that he was going to get in touch again in a couple of days. That's five days ago and I'm still waiting for an update from Dr Rhino. Perhaps I too will get a replacement sent out in mid-October? Micke Östlund, Växjö, Sweden
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Here in the UK I am STILL waiting for DP3, and to be honest I am getting more than just a bit frustrated by what appears to be the sheer ineptitidue of those responsible for organising the shipping of this Order. So far as I am concerned the responsibility for sorting this mess out lies with Dead.net, with whom my order was placed. I might add that Dead.net also have the benefit of being paid for this order! At the moment it seems to me that Dead.net blame everyone else for this fiasco, when the reality of the situation is that if they had bothered to send out the orders with tracking we might have some idea where the responsibility lies. I have no contract with Rhino or USPS. My last exchange of emails with Dead.Net suggests I contact Rhino directly in the US, an inpractical suggestion if there ever was one. Beyond that they appear to have no sensible suggestions to make, and I am now left to appeal through this Forum for some resolution to the non delivery of my DP3 apparently shipped like so many others on the 30th July. I would suggest that all those who ordered that CD and who are fans of the Grateful Dead deserve better.
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Mary, I hope you can sort out the problem we have getting UPS sent to us here in Canada & elsewhere outside the USA & ensure we get the October shipments from USPS as we initially requested. While the post office here may or may not charge a $5 charge plus sales tax for orders from the USA, the UPS extra charges on our end are always much, much higher & make the cost to us too exorbitant & not worth it. In effect, we will get hurt twice by your 3rd party's shipping ineptitude. We will have to wait months longer for the order & then decide if it is even financially worth it to to accept the order & pay UPS's onerous extra charges on receipt. If this is not resolved well, I can honestly say that I wouldn't order again from Rhino/Grateful Dead & in the past I've ordered Euro '72 & other shows before that.
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Yes, we're aware of the UPS/customs issue and a solution is in the works. Stay tuned. Simon1, regardless of your geographical location, Dr. Rhino's email, drrhino (at) rhino.com (swap in the @ sign), works fine, and he is indeed the one who is tracking this problem and getting in touch with the affected folks. I'd advise emailing him your details, but if you'd rather send them to me in a PM I'll pass them along.
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Mary, I've sent you a PM. I note from reading the entries here that others have done so, without it has to be said, much in the way of positive responses, but I live in hope. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you had bothered with tracking numbers for US and foreign orders you would have avoided all this, and perhaps there are lessons to be learned. In these times, getting people to part with their hard earned cash is difficult enough, without alienating them with less than brilliant service.
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"A few hundred are lost",mmmm seems like shinanigans to me. I wouldnot be surprised if a few more than normal of the DP3 appear on ebay for the swindling. Btw, I am here at Glendale,CA(40 min.drive from Rhino records) and have received nothing at all. I too have contacted this operation(dead.net),but they have been at no help at all. Also sent an email to DrRhino and no reply so far. You guys at dead.net gotta rethink your marketing methods regarding the releasing of The Grateful Dead archives!
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Hi Mary - i was wondering why the Spring 90 boxset was not delivered the same way we rec'd the Europe 72 box. It left the USA via USPS priority mail and when it reached the border, it was sent Canada Post via Express post - I still had to pay $43.29 in duty/customs for it, but i knew i would pay, just did not know how much. I do agree with Starman's comments about not using UPS to Canada. They are horrible for international deliveries for their fees But with the Spring 90 box, even though it's coming through the post office - i guarantee we all with be paying customs/duty fees. thanks - still waiting for Spring 90 & Dave's Vol 3
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I have received my DaP3 here in Toronto. It was postmarked August 20th. I appreciate that the box was marked value $1 as it passed the Canadian post office under $20 threshold for no extra charges. Mary, I'll email drrhino that I have it.
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It's important to note just how expensive, unreliable, and corrupt state-owned postal organizations have become. I'd be surprised if it's Rhino's fault that you don't have your goods yet. Many ebay and online sellers in the U.S. now regard Canada like Italy - not worth the expense, risk, and fee gouging by the Canada postal authorities. You can't send a modest size/weight package for less than $20 to Canada from the U.S., and custom fees on the Canadian end are absurd. I could not believe my recent experience in getting two small (~8" square) boxed sets off to a customer in Vancouver, there was no way around a $35 cost for a modest, roughly 4 lb. box. It's now easier and cheaper to deal with customers in the U.K. and in some of western Europe than in Canada. In the U.S., the budget cutbacks now mean that postal service even in business districts is irregular - there are days here in midtown Manhattan where we don't see any delivery. Amazing. Volumes for magazines, direct/junk mail, and other types of content are down, but the actual problem is that there have been few process improvements/adjustments, only the crude tools -- layoffs and closings.
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I received DaP3 yesterday but the signature & the stamp machine strip both show the date it was sent - Aug 20. Maybe, that's when the 3rd party found the missing cd set or that the July 30 shipment was generic & inexact. The postage was not high $4.90 considering it was mailed in n over-sized square box with lots of inner padding, not the typical cardboard mailer of which the postage costs would probably be less than half. Even if the post office would have charged extra costs for over $20 which it doesn't do as much these days - it would just be $5 plus 13% sales tax not customs duties or other fees. I've ordered many items from the USA to Toronto with never a problem of non-delivery. It's only UPS (& possibly FedEx) that charge the exorbitant handling fees. to collect the 13% sales tax. The sender only has to put a sticker on the package listing contents & value along with a signature for international mailing which is hardly difficult.
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I don't understand the problem in your case Starman, I don't doubt your hassle, but my recent experience with Canadian post office (twice this summer) is that they are collecting big money on the receiving end, and that parcel rates for Canada post delivery for packages originating in the U.S. are much higher than was the case 12-18 months ago. Could be the USPS, don't know. Rates here domestically are still quite low, but service in New York City has crashed, no question. It's interesting that Rhino, a corporation, would list an inaccurate value ($1) for something they sold for much more. Did they really do that?
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Interesting that other postal services are as bad as ours in the UK. Although the government has recently reduced the value level at which custom charges (and therefore 'handling fees' ) are placed on imported items, they have also watched over a massive slashing of postal staff levels. As a result I cannot recall the last time anyone actually asked me to pay any such charges even when there was a customs sticker attached to the said item - the postie just hands it over! Mind you, sending - or in the case of DaP3 not sending - a disc in an oversize box is tempting things but so far so good. Even the Mickey Hart double vinyl LP I ordered arrived charge-free and that was in a box the size of the complete E72 set.
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the postal service is not what it was. Proper Post Offices are almost non-existent - my local "Post Office" is a counter in a local supermarket staffed by supermarket employees who are not best versed in matters postal. I recently received a crushed CD from Amazon US which I had to return for replacement. I was horrified to find that the cheapest possible rate for sending a package of any size to a destination outside Holland was 13 Euros (around $16.50). Amazon refunded the return postage but they also would not have been too pleased to find that the return postage was far more than the cost of the CD. Fortunately the value of a parcel that attracts import duty and sales tax remains reasonably high ($40 - $50) so items such as Dave's Picks arrive without such extra charges being levied. I have never ordered low-value items with shipping by UPS or FedEx so I don't know if they levy extortionate fees on such items, but I have had higher value items sent using both UPS and FedEx (when no other options were available) and have paid dearly for the priviledge - literally.
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Most post offices are located in supermarkets and staffed with their own employes. But we do still have regular post offices but they only handle money or packages/letters which are sent - not collected. Micke Östlund, Växjö, Sweden
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Danc, the package was valued at $1 realistically, either because the sender was rushing the delivery (it was mailed Aug 20) & didn't check the cost or because they thought it would go through faster (probably true) as it wouldn't need the 13% sales tax calculation & $5 service charge that can be levied on items from the USA valued over $20. Regardless, I am grateful. There is no duty according to the free trade agreement. The mailing charge to Canada may have been higher - $4.90 than the domestic mail cost but it was a bigger square box not a flatter, rectangular one.