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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."
We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...
DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.
Re: bkp
She also recorded 12/28/79 (so likely that whole New Years run). I thought I heard someone mention she recorded Spartan Stadium too, Brent's first show. Other than that, I am not sure.
What she recorded is shrouded in mystery, at least to me. Few seem willing to come forward with definitive lists. Our own Kayak Guy, who is apparently in hibernation, seems to be one of the few and I believe is the source of the dated list that was published on Relix a few years ago.
If anyone has better info or a correction to the above.. please do tell.
And welcome back, Bolo. I knew your escape and reemergence would coincide with the Olympics on the Korean Peninsula. How was the food? :D
Edit: I just noticed Betty is not credited for recording 12/28/1979, no one is.. though I still believe she recorded it. Adds to the mystery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick%27s_Picks_Volume_5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Trips_Volume_3_Number_1
California November 1979
She recorded those for sure
December 10 & 11 combo would be cool
Box set , most of the time I'm sober , I would be feeling pretty high if Fillmore West June 1970 was released and Universal Amphitheater Summer 1973. There is a ripping sequence with "The Other One" skull splitters galore, I think it's from the July 1st show
Resemble That Remark...
It's a striking resemblance too. Uncanny, in fact.
Funny looking guitar..
Anybody know what make of guitar that is that Jerry is playing on the photo recently posted by shirdeep? Its from 1971, I believe, and its always mystified me. I've never seen a picture of anyone else playing one like it-and I have never seen a picture of one in any guitar books.
Re: Funny Looking Guitar
"March and April Jer switches to a custom built guitar. Said to be a Alembic project."
http://dozin.com/jers/guitar/history.htm
Jerry's guitar
That's a tough one...Kinda' shaped like a 50s Rickenbacker or Carvin lap steel, or half a Stratosphere doubleneck. Intriguing!
RE: Funny looking guitar
Actually, I think it's a Rick Turner built guitar, made from Jerry's shattered Gibson SG.It has a Gibson headstock, and a SG neck; Google "Rick Turner guitar Jerry Garcia", you will see a couple more pictures that show the SG headstock. Rick Turner ended up working for Alembic.
RSD
It is official 2/27/69 will be the 2018 RSD release 6700 domestic and 9k worldwide..
http://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10072
Jerry's guitars-Jim
Thanks for posting that article on Jerry's guitars. I have never read anything as detailed on this subject before, and it has always interested me. His sound radically altered with each guitar he played-particularly between 1966 and 1977. All good.
Re: Frankensitar
Thanks Cousins.. nice catch, I bet you are right. Interesting..
Dead of the Day: March 6, 1981
http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/03-06-1981Stanley Theater
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
In this show, the boys enthrall you with the effervescent loveliness of their playing. The night opens with a very strong Jack Straw, but it is the Peggy-O that will really grab you. Such a pretty song to begin with, Jerry’s vocals are perfect and his guitar is magisterial, evoking the full emotion of the tune. Cassidy, coming on the heels of Peggy-O, is always fabulous itself, more for the lyrics and the serendipitous origins of the tune than anything else. But here, like with Peggy-O, the playing rises far above the ordinary and forces you to feel the full pathos of the tune, of death and rebirth, of an amazing life cut short and another just beginning. Later in that first set, Let It Grow charts some spectacular territory, continuing to branch out and explore every time you think the Dead are bringing it to a close. The set ends with a Deal that smokes from the beginning, but manages to start throwing sparks off the side as the jam picks up steam. In the second set, the Estimated is so forceful, with Bobby, Brent, and Phil coming together to lay an intricate, finely woven tapestry that Jerry just shreds on top of. Then the highlight of the show emerges, the Franklin’s Tower. Words cannot express how phenomenal the jamming is as the band scorches off across the land with the tocsin peal of the bell. The magic continues out of Space and into an other-worldly Other One, finally coming down to land in an alternative universe called Stella Blue.
THE WEATHER AND THESE DAMN POWER OUTAGES......
Does anyone think with all this crazy weather and power outages they are delaying the announcement of this BOX set to be fair to everyone......HMMMMM.... just a thought.
Happy Nor Easter a good day for a listen to a Charlie Miller
03/07/70
Star Theatre - Phoenix, AZ
RSD 2018 release
...when I first posted what the RSD release was going to be, I also mentioned how much I liked/loved the artwork...well here it is..,
http://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10072
:)
...anybody else a fan...no beards or hair lol ;)
Limited - 9,000 world wide units
Bolo24 post/soup
...That's, funny lol, you got me laughing really hard with that one Bolo, :)
A power outage box
On Friday 2 March 2018 at 2:03 PM, my power left me, took my 1959 Ford Edsel car without my permission and drove 300,000 miles to Absolutely Nowhere, California. It returned Monday night at 6:38 PM totally disheveled and reeking of stale beer and human body odor and told me the contents the new 2018 Grateful Dead multi-show box set.
I wish I could share that information here, but Rex Jackson would do "something nasty" to me.
However, I can say that this forthcoming multi disc, and many more discs than 3 discs that are issued as the Dave's Picks Series. This release is NOT culled from the October so-called "Silent Tour" 1995 tour, promoting the final GD album, "Go Silent" which was never completed beyond the basic tracks with no guitar work from Jerry Garcia.
Anyways folks, you'll love it, although some folks hate that era and others love that era.
I love that era.
@Jim /Guitar Geeks...
Here's the background of that guitar:
“This guy who was a fan of our band brought me these pieces—an SG neck, a completely smashed SG body, and the pickup harness—and said, ‘Here, you want this? Seventy-five bucks,’” Turner recalls. “I said, ‘sure.’ So I had the neck and the wrecked body. I did this body shape that made it symmetrical and took the design to this cabinet shop on Broadway and Bleecker. They cut it out for me in mahogany, and I took it home and hacked away and veneered the back of it with walnut. Jerry Garcia wound up buying that guitar and used it on the Grateful Dead’s “Skull and Roses” album. That’s the guitar— and it has disappeared. Nobody knows where it is.”
RSD Artwork
Love it when the artwork actually matches the style of the era the music comes from.
RSD Artwork and Guitar
I always thought the FW artwork was the best in the modern era.. I know it was essentially stolen, but it's a classic and made a comeback as the background of the Dave's Picks logo.
Good job researching the quirky peanut guitar, Cousins.. the Skull and Roses guitar..
I did read a few of the posts you suggested (thanks to google). Fascinating.
https://rickturnerblog.com/2017/12/05/garcias-turner-peanut-guitar/
No one knows where it is, my guess is in Cousin's basement. :D
What a piece of history.
I call bullshit....
....I know where it is. In a crypt layered in cement under the Luxor hotel. When the stars and moon align, you still can't see it. Mobsters aren't dumb.JGB 5.20.90. Knockin' On Heavens Door. Makes for good shrimp and grits prepping....
E72 Other Ones
My top five (at the moment):
1. 5/13/72 Lille
2. 4/11/72 Newcastle
3. 5/10/72 Amsterdam, Holland
4-5. ( tie) powerhouse epics
5/26/72 Lyceum
4/26/72 Hundred Year Hall
Runner-up: 5/7/72 Wigan.
Hard to leave out 5/3/72, one of my top 3 favorite shows of tour (but mostly for the "little" songs: CHina/Rider, Jack Straw, etc.)
...and yes, that 4/21/72 Beat Club one is surprisingly nice!
Speaking of E '72 & TOO
Just grabbed 5/24 (Vol. 20) off ebay. Has a 30 minute TOO. Last Pigpen sung "Lovelight" that >'s into his "The Stranger (Two Souls)" to end Set II. Something i don't remember seeing anywhere else. That should make it worthy and also now own all 4 Lyceum shows. What a beautiful 'n historic theater/ballroom. Must have been quite an experience for the band and audience alike.
DaP 25
Ri-DONK-u-lous! Someone said a while back that no one was discussing this release, and that that meant that it wasn't that good. I came on here a few times to discuss just how much I LOVE this release, but each time I did, we were BACK TO THE SAME OLD era B.S., which I have no tolerance for, so each time I would hang up without answering.
This show rocks. There are about four songs that might be the best ever. I LOVE the releases from late 1977 into 1978.
When you're about to post about an era or about someone else's post about an era, just ask yourself--"Is this about advancing the discussion, or is it JUST ABOUT MEEEEE!!"? We're all here to talk about how much we love the Grateful Dead, which was a 30+ year multi-faceted, ever-changing, amorphous being, so saying that the shape you noticed is THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS is very trite, and discredits all the folks who have noticed OTHER amazing features of that same shifting shape.
Be kind, rewind.
11/06/77
as Dave's Picks Volume 25 is amazing! I first heard this soundboard recording in the early 90's on cassette and was blown away by the energy of the music despite the limitations of the cassette copy. Not long after that, in the early 2000's, I was upgraded to CD-R.
These CDs from the original master recordings are the best sounding source. THANK YOU Jeff Norman! The whole package is great: the artwork, the essay / "liner notes" by Rob Bleetstein, Bob Minkin's photos. A+
What gets me in the show is the Half-Step opener and Scarlet> Fire and my introduction to the Grateful Dead way back in 1971: Truckin.'
disagreements-deadheadbrewer
I agree that it is ugly when people try and put other people down on here, but healthy discussion is surely to be encouraged. I can't help noticing differences between eras-especially when the same material is played at different junctures. I commented recently about the differences in Dark Star from shows I had heard in 1969 and 1972-a fascinating study in contrasts. I thought similar things listening to a Europe 72 Other One, followed by that one played on January 22nd 1978. If I mentioned this, and expressed a liking for one above the other (one) it wouldn't mean I was looking for a fight. Or that I was necessarily expressing a view that I myself would agree with in about 6 months time.
I suppose it can get messed up if someone has an ulterior motive for expressing a fondness for one era-or any one viewpoint come to that- over another-and then gets rude to people who don't agree.
Deadheadbrewer , 4 songs best ever , which ones ?
11.6.77 is a cool show, I'm curious which ones stand out for u ?
In comparison with recent releases I would rate 7.7.78 similar to 11.6.77
re: PearlyBaker & those E'72 Other Ones..
So I am curious if/when you listened & ranked these E' 72 Other Ones if you paid any attention to whether they hit up the 'Feelin' Groovy jam' in any of them? A few years back a did a pretty thorough pick-apart of the Dark Stars from E'72, with the sole intent on finding the ones with this jam in there. My future parallel project was to do the same with each 'Other One' from E'72, but i just haven't gotten around to it yet...but this lingering question continues to intrigue me.
It's on my bucket list I suppose!
Sixtus
Pearly Baker, etc.
My heart grew two sizes seeing some of these under the radar shows get some praise.. especially The Other One from Lille and one of my go to under the radar shows 5/24 The Lyceum.
The big shows get so much attention, and after so many listens the less flashy shows begin to stand out.
I 100% agree with Brewer's comments, both on DaP 25 and that other subject I won't bring up by name. Sometimes coming to these boards is like watching your siblings throw heavy objects at each other until it dissolves into an all-out brawl on the basement floor.
Just my opinion.. but I don't learn anything from it. Groundhog day.
I really feel we are going to get something very special and very old this year.. be it in a box or a 1968 celebration of epic proportion. Somebody should break out the Ouija Board and start channeling Pigpen.
Fillmore RSD
Judging from the artwork and the choice of show for this release, I bet they will issue the 4 Fillmore 69 shows as RSD releases...
not an E72 level show, but
a nice lil' show is 10/31/85. The opening of the show is priceless.
Re: 10/31/85
The 20th anniversary tour. I missed 10/31 but caught the next two nights in Richmond. School could be such a buzzcrush.
10/31/85 - Carolina Coliseum (University Of South Carolina) - Columbia, SC
"Excellent show on a Halloween night. It was surreal. The stage was immaculate with jack-o-lanterns and the big rugs. The crowd was so funny in every kind of costume you can imagine. Hearing the Dead open with that weird space and lights really set it off. The Looks Like Rain was well received considering the torrent outside thanks to hurricane Gloria. One of the best Shakedowns, and the Playing in the Band was hot. I could almost hear the wood deck creaking in the Ship of Fools and what a jam afterwards. Excellent all around."
The next night in Richmond they ended the second set with a rare Gloria which was immortalized as Dicks Picks 21. I remember ending my night with an uncomfortable, damp and restless sleep in my car.
10/31/85
Carolina Coliseum (University Of South Carolina) - Columbia, SC
Set 1:
Space
Werewolves Of London
The Music Never Stopped
West LA Fadeaway
Mama Tried
Mexicali Blues
Tennessee Jed
Looks Like Rain
Might As Well
Set 2:
Shakedown Street
Playin' In The Band
Ship Of Fools
Drums
Dear Mr. Fantasy
Not Fade Away
Encore:
U.S. Blues
https://archive.org/details/gd1985-10-31.sbd.miller.23590.sbeok.shnf
Help on the Way - 1983 best versions?
So as I've mentioned, I've been digging into 1976 versions of Help on the Way. '76 had a whopping 17 of them, followed by only 7 in 1977 (despite doing more shows: 60 vs 41.). If you add 1975, it's only 27 versions in the 70's - a surprisingly low number (to me). I have found the '76 versions to be consistently good, but each very distinct from their peers.
But what caught my eye this morning as I perused Deadbase is that the year with the 2nd most Help on the Way's is '83 with 16! I had no clue.... I knew they played it in '83, but I didn't realize what a staple it became. They actually played it the same number of times '83-'85 as they did '75-77 (27 times).
So clearly I have some work to do here. I have only 4 '83 shows - heavy on the Scarlet>Fire (another fav), but not a single '83 Help on the Way (though I think I used to have one or two on cassette a gazillion years ago....) Can anyone recommend a good '83 Help On the Way to track down? I recall hearing some un-polished 80's versions, but there must be some good ones.
And I believe a box will be announced this week, possibly today. What IS in the box?
Alembic Experimental Guitar
I first saw the "peanut" February 19,1971 at the Capitol Theater. The night before Jerry played his Gibson SG. I contacted Alembic Guitars a couple years ago by phone and talked with the daughter of Ron Wickersham. I told her about my first hand account of seeing Garcia play it in February of 71. She was cool and said they had no way of knowing exactly when Jerry would have first played it but that my first hand account was most likely true. She also said two Alembic experimental "peanut" guitars were made. Garcia changed out 3-4 guitars in 1971. Thats my story and I'm stickin to it!
Help on the Way
4-9-83 and 9-11-83 come to mind. I always liked 4-1-84 too.
Dave's picks by pick 5-25
Here are my totally subjective rankings of the series. There's no real science. I would probably rank Academy higher but i have E72 which I go to very often, so this one just gets way less play. The Berkeley show would be higher but the added effect on Phil's bass is too much for me, and something else was too much for Jerry in set 2. Boulder is considerably worse than Horton. Just cant understand why this show was released. Without further ado:
# Date Place
11 11/17/1972 Wichita
5 11/17/1973 Pauley Pavilion
13 2/24/1974 Winterland
21 4/2/1973 Boston Garden
16 3/28/1973 Springfield
9 5/14/1974 Missoula
15 4/22/1978 Nashville
23 1/22/1978 Eugene
8 11/30/1980 Fox Atlanta
24 8/25/1972 Berkeley
22 12/7/1971 Felt Forum
18 7/17/1976 Orpheum
17 7/19/1974 Selland
10 12/12/1969 Thelma
12 11/4/1977 Colgate
14 3/26/1972 Academy of Music
25 11/6/1977 Broome Co
6 12/20/1969 Fillmore + Fox Theater
19 1/23/1970 Hawaii
7 4/24/1978 Horton Fieldhouse
20 12/9/1981 Boulder
Somebody should break out the Ouija Board, start channeling Pig
JimInMD, did you just call me?
No Ouija Board here, but the river keeps on talkin', but you never hear a word it say...
Maybe that grease reference from Bolo is a Pig-centric box they missed out on doing for the 50th. Could be a spring '71 extravaganza, as that era is relatively light in official releases. Or they flog '76 due to returned tapes Plan A.
I'm wondering if Summer '73 will happen or whether the paltry number of shows in that period (plus two iconic shows) is reason for further delay in filling that six-month gap.
Many '76 shows I find to be snoozers, but there's always an exception. I attended 6-19-76 at the small Capitol Theater in lovely Passaic, NJ, and friends had nabbed like 7th row, so close that we heard them singing and the backline of amps and not the PA. And they opened with Help On the Way and killed it. First East Coast shows (6-17, 6-18 and 6-19) I think after the hiatus. This show was broadcast and on the tape you can hear Mickey Hart call out for "St Stephen" and Weir goes, "No, Around and Around." Hart carps: "Have mercy, Weir!"
I guess the "was there" factor would make me smile if they released this three-show run.
Re: thin, wadeou, Strider
First.. very cool story Strider. How you can remember a detail like that all these years later is amazing.. the fact that you followed up years later, icing on the cake. Thanks for that..
I was just going to write in support of 4/9/83, the only birthday show I saw. I thought the help/slip/franklins was hot, hot, hot. Check out the tone Jerry gets in the beginning of Slipknot!. Classic for the era.
Here's the Charlie Miller:
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-04-09.sbd.miller.93145.sbeok.flac16/…
Edit: Uh oh.. I see someone brought up Santa Fe. Mentioning this three times is enough to waken VGuy from the dead.
help slip frank 83
favorites
4 26 83 spectrum
https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-26.sbd.parrillo.2606.sbeok.shnf
5 15 83 greek
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-05-15.fob.sonyecm220t.keshavan.mille…
6 24 83 dane county
https://archive.org/details/gd83-06-24.nak300.willy.7291.sbeok.shnf
6 28 83 poplar
https://archive.org/details/gd83-06-28.sennheiser.hogan.3593.sbeok.shnf
9 6 83 red rocks
https://archive.org/details/gd83-09-06.sbd.clugston.5489.sbeok.shnf
9 11 83 santa fe downs
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-09-11.senn441.silberman.clugston.232…
re: Summer Seventy-Sixtus
Hendrixfreak - I totally share in your enthusiasm for the '76 Help>Slip>Franklin's emergence. This is a serious contender for a cornerstone in any show, and as you say they pretty much nailed this trio each time they addressed it in '76.
One minor clarification to your timeline tho - first summer '76 shows on the East Coast were the Boston Music Hall run from 6/9-12/76, then followed by the Beacon Run. Do yourself a favor and listen to 6/11/76 if you haven't already - a show I have touted myriad times as a personal favorite (that second set!) - despite it being bereft of a Help>Slip>Frank's - this should be on anyone's radar!
P.S. after a second reading of your comment you may have been noting that 6/19/76 was YOUR first East Coast show of '76...if so, I applaud you and you may completely ignore my clarification!
Sincerely,
Seventy-Sixtus
Slipknots Help on the Way 1983
A few years back I fiendishly listened to and took notes on every Help>Slipknot available, I found that Help on the Way was never actually stretched out that much and that most the times I saw a somewhat extended Help, it was actually just timed incorrectly and included part of Slipknot (This is understandable as it can be difficult to know exactly when Help ends and Slipknot begins for some of the recordings). The longest Help on the Way I believe is 8/4/76 and its only about 6min 40sec long, Slipknot on the other hand has been jammed (6/14 being the longest at 13min 19sec), and has even played without Help or Franklins. These notes are a few years old, they probably need to be gone over again/corrected, I'm sure there's something I missed back then.
For 1983 I recommend 9/6 and 10/12, those have the longest Slipknot jams both over 9min.
For other interesting Slipknots I recommend 2/22/74(first slipknot quotes in PITB), 6/20/74(first legit Slipknot), 6/17/75(Instrumental Help), 9/24&27 76(strange setlists), 5/5/91, 9/20/91 (Help>Slip>Fire), and 7/21/94 (One of the last extended Slipknots).
Re: "fiendishly"
Ha.. I think that pretty much describes every single person that has ever visited this site except perhaps one. It's the thread that binds us together.
'83 Help>Slip>Franklin's
9/6/83 Red Rocks is a great show and great sounding soundboard. 3/25/83 Compton Terrace is pretty nice too.
re: SkullTrip
I 100% concur - from that 1st set, that Scarlet is a real highlight. I believe this was a show that was returned with the "reel stash". While I know it's a little silly of me to say that I wish this show was next to be released, well, I wish this show was the next to be released. IN A MASSIVE SUMMER '76 BOX!!!!
But in reality I will be more than happy with that Summer '73 box. Or the '68 Box. heh.
Sixtus
Re: Sixtus
I'm fully on board with this being one of the next releases (Dave's 27!), especially if you're right and it's part of the returned reel stash. A crisp, clean copy of 6/11/76 would get frequent play here in Triptown.
The List
I know its been shared before, but since we're back there at the moment, here is the list. And yee-haw indeed I wasn't wrong about 6/11/76:
https://www.relix.com/news/detail/the_betty_boards_are_now_in_the_grate…
Currently, I am mentally channeling the digits '6', '11', and '76' to Dave Lemieux via mind-meld. Can't tell if it's working yet, but the next seaside chat should give us a hint....or not.
Sixtus
Someone mentioned 11/6/77 and
Someone mentioned 11/6/77 and 7/7/78 being similar. I also get similar vibes between 11/6/77 and 1/23/78. The sound is so close! Set list close too.
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