Dave’s Picks Volume 34: Jai Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/23/74

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clayv

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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May 11, 2020 - 10:49am

#1421

CaseyJanes

Joined:
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WilfredT UJB

You are correct sir about the Bm...also a Dm and Dsus2 according to Ultimate Guitar Tabs on the “Official Version”. I love the above mentioned app. Has most every song that you can think of and usually there are many versions to play so if you’re not quite getting one arrangement there is usually a way for guys like me to dumb it down a bit. That said I need to add those chords on UJB as they are in my range. Will also try the riff....I have a little pentatonic game as well! (I’m guessing there)

For the record, and if memory serves, I do believe I’ve seen youtube of you playing WilfredT, and you are an excellent player. I’m like a wanna be campfire player at best, but it’s more fun then a frog in a glass of milk.
May 11, 2020 - 10:29am

#1422

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Hola Senor Janes

Good to see ya!
I think Bob was alluding to what I’ve heard/read all of them say over the years; it got harder and harder to get the band (especially Jerry) to rehearse and some of those songs you just couldn’t do well without rehearsal: LS, Cosmic Charlie, St Stephen etc. Unfortunately another side effect of ole Jer Bears monkey...especially when you consider how hard many of Jer’s parts were on these songs...it’s a bummer but no wonder many of the greats were set aside.

GUITARS & CADDILACS; used to play all the time. Tried to play guitar for ten years, occasionally professionally, once in the studio....switched to bass and rarely looked back. Did try the solo acoustic/apre thing briefly, but wasn’t that good and it’s really hard carrying the whole show by your self. And Scarry! Don’t have that front man Mojo either “star waaarrrsss, nothing but staaaarrrrr wwwaaaarrrsss” much prefer to play with 3 to 5 people, the interaction is where it’s at. But the rush of playing in a hot band in front of a bunch of people IS uncompareble....talk about a high!
But yeah, I preferred being in the back row under the dark lights grooving on the Bass. Played that professionally on and off for 20 years, last ten it was my main, though not only job...It was a gas, but after 100-150 nights a year, often at shitty bars and clubs, when your feet are killing you and your back can’t take that heavy lumber anymore, we’ll sometimes it’s a double edge sword doing what you love for a living....unfortunately haven’t really played in like ten years now. Had to TRY and grow up and get a real job....plus after I got booted out of my main gig, eventually all the calls stopped coming as it is a small, close knit group that gets the gigs here.
I truly miss it in my minds eye, but I don’t miss schlepping that heavy ass gear at 3 in the morning, or getting hassled by the law, or trying to get inspired when your back hurts and it’s late, and there’s only 4 drunks left, but I do miss it.
GUITARS
- Ibanez Muscian Series I got in 79 and modified with Alembic circuitry/pickups in 84.
- Madeira Acoustic
- 84 Alembic Spoiler 4 string electric Bass
- Michael Kelly Club Deluxe 5 String Acoustic/Electric Bass. picked this up early century when I was playing a lot to get upright sound etc. Never spent enough on upright to be proficient as it’s physicaly painful, and it’s a drag trying to play live with a loud band. I liked the sound I good get with the Kelly and a Sans Amp tech 21 Acoustic DI. It’s made for Acoustic guitar but works awesome for the Acoustic Bass. Seceret is the adjustable mid....
shit, ramblin again, sorry, fun topic. DAVEROCK sportin’ the Bobbie Dazzler! Nice axe bra! My guitar teacher always played and sold Gretches. Wish I would of got one, but wanted a Bob Weir Ibenez so bad. Almost had one but got the Muscian series instead. I’ve seen pictures of both Bob and Jerry playing one but not sure what show (s)? Think it was around when Bob was first using Ibenez?
May 11, 2020 - 10:12am

#1423

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Casey Janes UJB chords and guitars

There's a B Minor in there somewhere...I think after the G. The riff is fun, too! Don't forget to learn that :-)

Thanks for sharing info. on your guitars, too. I also have a '96 Washburn (D-20 in Koa). My brother just bought his first guitar, a Seagull S6... :-)
May 11, 2020 - 9:44am

#1424

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

6/22/83 source

Yeah I think that’s the same source as I had. As I say at the time it was definetly my best sounding tape which in those days wasn’t saying much, but this one shined! Great show too, and looks like it must of been a great place to freak freely from the news clip.
So my buddy Doug hooked up with some dude who either was doing the taping or ? Not sure I really knew, but they knew WTF they were doing, had like Nac with sennhieser mics and were usually low generation and near that quality.
I had the best gear so most of my friends/cousins would bring their new tapes to my house for coping etc so I’d usually get decent generations. Some shows better than others depending on where they were located. Remember, this was before taper section so some diehard pros would poach in front of board, which sometimes was awesome, other times too loud or tone unbalanced etc...
Anyway, we start getting some killer 83’s, probably end of year I’m guessing. Unfortunately I never got the source guys info and next thing you know ole Doug’s knocked up the bosses daughter, whose family is super religious so shotgun wedding and no more fun for ole druggles, poor bastard! And no more tapes for us! Dooaah
Funny part was he got our band to play his ultra conservative wedding, but’s that’s a whole nother story for the bonfire....
May 11, 2020 - 9:31am

#1425

CaseyJanes

Joined:
November 6, 2017

Guitars and UJB

Hey all, COVID seems to have me busier than I’ve ever been with both the wife and kid working and schooling here at the cave...so I’ve just been lurking here lately on the site, but I have to jump in on a good guitar convo.

Dennis, I’ve read that 1983 is right around when Gibson started producing great acoustics again, shifting back to some of the methods that they used on 60s flat top guitars. I would love to play that Hummingbird. I’ll bet it sounds awesome, and from knowing what I know of you, it is probably very well cared for! I just recently learned UJB. It was surprisingly (to me at least) very easy to learn and made up of only 5 basic chords (G, D, C, Am, Em) which are some of the first chords (and easiest) that most guitar players will learn. Rhythmically, the toughest part of the song IMO is probably in what would be considered to be the chorus....that is the part that goes “whoa-o what I want to know is ______________....there are some quick chord changes in that line which take some practice, but all in all, not to difficult. That said, singing it and playing at the same time for me is much more difficult. I have only recently been able to incorporate some singing along with my playing and I have been playing for more than 20 years. Some of that I think is confidence factor of worrying about what others think I sound like, which I really don’t give a shit about anymore, but the other part is that rhythmically it is not easy to learn, especially if the song has difficult chord phrasing. Did anyone hear the Bob Weir Shakedown interview from Friday night? He had some interesting comments about Lost Sailor and the reason it didn’t stay around for too long in the bands repertoire. Too difficult to play and the other band members didn’t want to spend the time on it. And we’ve seen that LS has only recently been brought back into D&Cs repertoire. So this got me thinking about the progression of Bob Weirs playing ability. Of course it’s widely know that Bob was nearly kicked out of the band early on because of complaints about his guitar playing. And to be fair he only started playing guitar at the age of 13 and then met Garcia just 3 years later. And any player is going to experience some plateauing, especially early on. That said, it make me wonder if the shift in style on WMD and AB were at least partly made in efforts to help with this handicap as the arrangements are much simpler and back to the basics. (Here is a quote from wiki on the subject:
“The incident apparently led to a period of significant growth in Weir's guitar playing. Phil Lesh said that when drummer Mickey Hart left the band temporarily in early 1971, he was able to hear Weir's playing more clearly than ever and "I found myself astonished, delighted and excited beyond measure at what Bobby was doing." Lesh described Weir's playing as "quirky, whimsical and goofy" and noted his ability to play chord voicings on the guitar (with only four fingers) that one would normally hear from a keyboard (with up to ten fingers).[13].

Cousins: what kind of guitars do you own? What gets the most play? Based on your bands genre, I’m going to guess a Fender Telecaster?

Here are my guitars:

1). 1996 Washburn Limited Edition Acoustic
2). 2017 Gibson Les Paul High Performance in Cherry Red Sumburst
3). Seagull Artist Studio CW Deluxe Element
4). MJT Custom Telecaster build that is aged vintage relic...Taos Turquoise over 3-Tone burst
5). Rhino issued Grateful Dead Dancing Bear/Stealie ukulele (don’t really play this one just decoration
6). I also recently ordered a Taylor GS Mini Koa Plus E with edge burst on my 4 years zero interest Sweetwater card. I needed a good travel guitar and this one gets phenomenal reviews....can’t wait!, but sshhhhhh! Don’t tell Mrs Casey!

-the one I play the most (currently) is the Seagull...most accessible hanging on the wall right next to the couch in my living room. It has a pick up so I can plug it in but I rarely do as it projects nicely anyway. It as a solid Sitka Spruce Top, with Solid Rosewood back and sides, Mahogany neck and Ebony fingerboard, gold vintage tuners. It’s a beautiful guitar that sounds just as good as it looks.

Oro - Great repo car story...had me LOL as usual! For those interested, I promise to finish my Gorge story very soon. Fell off the wagon on that one, but the details are still there. Anniversary is also fast approaching....bummed I can’t do the repeat as I planned for Boulder in July...hopefully we can get back at it soon!

Doc - Great to read your regular posts again. Glad you’re back.

Be Well Dead People!

KCJ

Led Ded: just read your post...couldnt agree more. No better hobby and incredibly gratifying when you are able to overcome a plateau....repitition and practice....I’m at least one hour a day usually early mornings or later at night!
May 11, 2020 - 9:29am

#1426

LedDed

Joined:
February 16, 2017

Yes, some of us really play...

I am a guitar freak. I have about two dozen electrics, two acoustics and a couple basses, untold effects pedals and several amps. I actually do pick up those instruments with my two hands and play the shit out of them, every day, sometimes only for a half hour and other times all day long, esp. on weekends.

It's the most gratifying hobby I've ever known. When you start out, you suck and sound like shit. Over time, you learn other people's songs, chord changes, scales, etc. One day you find yourself sitting there with a drink and wailing along to "Layla" at full volume, kicking ass and blending right into the record. And then, you start coming up with your own stuff. Some people eschew covers and play as themselves right off, but if there's a kind of music you like, learning that stuff gives you a toolbox of techniques from which to start doing your own thing.

You get out of it what you put into it, practice practice practice. I don't really practice so much as play, but you hone your skills through repetition and hours devoted as you pick up new things here and there. One of my favorite things is to crank up a "Big River" like the one on One From The Vault, and wail along with Jerry. He was so good in his prime it's sick.

I'm not in a band. I have a straight job and a family (and a mortgage etc.) However now and again getting in a room with other musicians, especially with drums present, and turning up is as much fun as it looks. Unfortunately it looks like a bleak time right now for anyone struggling to make it as a musician. First album sales were destroyed by the internet and bands had to depend on live concerts and merch sales. What are they going to do now?

A long time ago, I might have leaned that way, but I'm glad I went with the straight job, keeping the guitar playing on the side, pure artistic expression with no strings attached or record company bullshit. Last, anyone who's always wanted to learn to play the guitar, go buy a decent one and get after it! If you keep with it, it will reward you more than you can imagine.

\m/
May 11, 2020 - 8:53am

#1427

Deadheadbrewer

Joined:
February 2, 2010

Did someone say, "Saint Paul"?

LOVE that show from '77 (AND the Saint Paul show from the 1978 box), but cannot allow myself to get distracted from my E72 studies. I still need to finish Bickershaw AND Amsterdam, then get to Rotterdam on its anniversary today. The back-to-back concerts on this tour make things difficult . . .

I didn't get into Grateful Dead until I was 21 (1991), but if I had been born ten or fifteen years earlier, I would have attended those old MN and upper-midwest shows.
May 11, 2020 - 8:00am

#1428

Cousins Of The…

Joined:
September 10, 2009

@Dennis

Hey Dennis, I'll take your Hummingbird if it's lonely :-)
I play guitar in a band(Western Swing/Honky Tonk) , although not sure when we'll be able to play out again this year.
May 11, 2020 - 7:30am

#1429

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Dave's guitar and Dave's Pick

Just got DP29 in from Real Gone Music. I never bought any of the DP's when they were coming out, my buddy was getting them and sending me copies, money was tight and what the hell. In the end, wish I had bought them all as they came. Now I'm too cheap to pay some of the prices I see for complete sets, and the wife would never understand :-).

I have to say for anyone who hasn't bought these real gone music releases, they did a nice job on it. At first blush I thought the bonus tracks weren't included, but though not listed, they are there. It was 60 bucks from amazon (got a price cut before it shipped!) So maybe I'll look into getting the real gone collection,,,,, if it's cheap enough :-)

Dave the Rock and the Gretsch - I know Dave's not the only one on these boards who has guitars AND I know absolutely NOTHING about guitars or playing. But I looked up your guitar and yeah, pricey things. The demo's online made it sound very nice. My question, can you really play? I've met many people over the years who have instruments of all types, played "in my youth", they can still strum a few basic cords, but really can't play. I have a Gibson hummingbird my wife gave me back in 83-ish, why, I have no idea. Maybe she thought I develop unknown talents. I told it's a nice guitar, quite a few people have strummed it over they years and say "very nice". But one night at the store a customer who came in all the time (doctor of some sort), had just bought a new hummingbird, asked me bring in my old one. Bastard sat down and knocked out UJB off top of head. Blew me away. BTW - said my old hummingbird was much louder than new ones.

So Dave, do you play? Also other folks out there, do you really play? I believe some of you are in bands?

Just curious.
May 11, 2020 - 7:20am

#1430

musicnow

Joined:
August 6, 2013

bonus disc

The bonus disc is simply amazing! Classic songs/jams and the sound is superb. This was a GRATE addition to a magnificent show. Thank you Dave!

John Perry Barlow

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

UK Delivery

Just checked to see where Dave's Picks 34 might be, having recieved the dispatch e-mail 3 ½ weeks ago to find .... 21/05/2020 1:00 United States Package departed international carrier facility. while the previous udate was 01/05/2020 6:17 United States Package processed by international carrier

3 weeks doing not much (Sweet FA springs to mind). I know there are allegedly Covid 19 issues but VMP dispatches from the US are much much quicker.

Mustin

Ned does Seastones with Phil.

re Keithfan Uncle John's Band

Also try 8/6/74 Roosevelt Stadium, and 10/19/74 Winterland for good Uncle John's from 1974... Bob t

Keithfan

Doublecheck your liner notes...it states - Ned Lagin on "Seastones" and during the 2nd set -

The solution to defective CD’s, disc rot, and shipping woes

Downloads.

The first attempt at a Download Series didn’t seem to be too popular. I didn’t do it when it started, but I also only had DSL internet at the time that was super slow and unreliable. I also wanted the physical product. I never received a defective Dick’s Picks and never had a problem with an order, so I had no incentive to switch to downloads. Also, my policy was that downloads were for boots, and CD’s were for official releases.
(I did my downloading at work and got around 125-150 GB from the Archive before downloads were blocked).

I still want the physical product and I think that most people do too. But, I wonder if people will eventually run out of patience with defective product, shipping issues, absentee customer service, etc (or just run out of shelf space) and embrace digital downloads.

Hot and mostly sunny here this weekend (3 weeks ago the low was 27 and it snowed), time to get a garden going and do yard work. Heading to Home Depot, I expect it to be quite busy. I’ll wear a mask and only visit the outside garden center.

sorry I haven't posted much

I'm just a little self conscious of my disc rot. :-P

Ah

I didn't read your question closely enough. I'll keep an ear out - it's still in regular rotation.

And now for something completely different-

Every once in awhile some Floyd discussions breakout here. I saw / listened to the '72 Live at Pompeii version of Echoes the other day for the first time - my goodness the soloing from Gilmour is so much louder, aggessive, and distorted than the studio version. I watched it 3x. Need to find that on CD. I may be poised for Floyd run now - it's been years. Still kind of stuck on Gabriel era Genesis - that's going to have to run its course. If anyone's interested in a pretty decent quality live video of Supper's Ready, this band was unreal in '73:

https://youtu.be/vmgQjMGgB9o

Thanks Bobby T.

Aoxomoxoa

Original mix , hands down, that's what I grew up with. What's Become of the Baby is a gem, Read Hunter's lyrics someday, they are far out and fantastic! Also, Anthem of The Sun original mix hands down.

#34 international

after 3+ weeks in limbo, mine now says: 'United States, Package departed international carrier facility'

Let It Be

I’m not hugely bothered with the Beatles remixes though I did buy Sgt Pepper and the White album for the out-takes. Quite a while back I bought Let It Be...Naked which was Paul stripping away the over the top Phil Spector orchestration to leave it a much better album (in my humble opinion). The stripped down version of The Long and Winding Road with just Paul on piano and very light backing is so beautiful it almost has me in tears.

Live At Pompeii

Keithfan2112, check out the individually released 1972 portion of the Pink Floyd Early Years box, 1972 OBFUSC/ATION, it includes the Live at Pompeii performance on DVD and Blu Ray as well as on CD. You are correct, that is some good stuff for sure.

No Dave's yet. But plenty of 74 anyway.

I haven't received mine here in Blighty yet - but I am not worried. I am not following its progress round the world, assuming its making some, but I feel confident that one of these days it will pitch up. All the others have.

I have been listening to a few 1974 shows in preparation, and I have to admit, I do like the way they played and sounded this year. A bit un rock n' roll in a way- no distortion or overdriven guitars-every instrument is crystal clear. Sounds good-not like any other music I listen to. -2/23/74 and Daves 9 - 5/14/74 have graced my stereo recently. And I am tempted by the vinyl edition of 5/19/74, especially now its come down in price a bit. A bit extravagant maybe.

I also much prefer the original mixes of Anthem and Aoxomoxoa-genius. The remixed Anthem is okay, but the remixed Aoxomoxoa sounds as flat as a pancake to me.

Re-release ad nauseum

Interesting discussion on re-releases of already available titles. I’m sure we all have various and differing reasons to purchase said items, or not to purchase them.
For me, it mostly depends on the band. I have a number of bands/artists that I buy anything that has unreleased material on it. I did finally get hip to just being offered “re/mixed” or “remastered” cds with no bonus material, and quickly decided that I do not need the “same album” over & over again.
And even when it comes to bonus tracks/material, I can now look first and ask myself “do I really need to spend $$ for these 2 songs I don’t have”? The answer often is no.
But one point I wanted to direct to the poster who asked if the 3 Beatles deluxe boxes are worth it. First, take my advice, don’t listen to me.
All 3 sets have LOADS of unreleased material, if that’s your thing. But in addition, the packaging is phenomenal!! And the best non musical part are the books that each set has. I’ve spent hours reading & re-reading these books. They have unreleased photos, and descriptions of the writing & recording of the songs, and much, much more. That stuff is precious to me.
Then again, I have been a huge fan of liner notes since I was a child, and the more written information enclosed, the happier I am.
That’s another reason why I will never accept downloads. I want liner notes!! Cover art too!!
Stay healthy everyone, Music is the Best!!

Re-dos

Speaking of remasters: Just happen to have been listening to George Harrison's 2001 remix of his 1971 All Things Must Pass 3-LP box. It's really more of a deconstruction than a Normanization. He rightfully praises the original, Phil Spector-produced Wall of Sound (er, the other one... er, you know) version. It is refreshing to listen to the tracks that've been seriously stripped down to what George came to consider their essence almost 30 years later (and, sadly, shortly before his death). His 2000 remake of My Sweet Lord is heart-wrenching. Still, before I cued up the new remake, I had to listen to the original – that's the one that's tattooed on my soul in teenage hormones. Without the first one, the second version doesn't make near as much sense.

Harrison's new liner notes further explain the artist's original intent and his subsequent evolution across the arc of his lifetime. Plus the original cover art has been perfectly re-envisioned to mirror issues that became important to Harrison at almost 60. Had to have the box then – still glad to have the new one.

Just about every time, give me the originals I've bonded with, but keep tempting me with new ways to listen to the music (still want to track down Mickey's remaster of Workingman's and American Beauty). And keep the physical releases, liner notes and cover art coming – nothing else comes close. Onward.

Speaking of

...re-do's:
both Dick's Picks 1 and 3 could use a redo.
The Chopping.
So could Dick's Picks 2, for that matter, although I don't know the story of that one. It was only one CD which is curious.

Sixtus

4 6 84

:)))

5 13 73

Yowzah!

Lost in the night

https://archive.org/details/gd69-05-23.sbd.kaplan.12223.sbeok.shnf/gd69…

*Re/ Dicks Picks #19

* Complete Setlist
**Disc #1
*First set:
"Promised Land" (Chuck Berry) – 3:44
"Sugaree" (Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter) – 8:18
"Mexicali Blues" (Bob Weir, John Barlow) – 3:58
"Tennessee Jed" (Garcia, Hunter) – 8:00
"Looks like Rain" (Weir, Barlow) – 8:05
"Don't Ease Me In" (traditional, arranged by Grateful Dead) – 4:24
"Jack Straw" (Weir, Hunter) – 5:32
"They Love Each Other" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:44
"El Paso" (Marty Robbins) – 4:51
"Row Jimmy" (Garcia, Hunter) – 9:23
**Disc #2
"Playing in the Band" (Weir, Mickey Hart, Hunter) – 18:23
*Second set:
"China Cat Sunflower" (Garcia, Hunter) – 9:11 >
"I Know You Rider" (traditional, arranged by Grateful Dead) – 6:18
"Me and My Uncle" (John Phillips) – 3:34
"Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo" (Garcia, Hunter) – 7:30
"Big River" (Johnny Cash) – 4:52
**Disc #3
"Dark Star" (Garcia, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, Weir, Hunter) – 15:45 >
"Mind Left Body Jam" (Grateful Dead) – 10:41 >
"Morning Dew" (Bonnie Dobson, Tim Rose) – 13:55
"Sugar Magnolia" (Weir, Hunter) – 10:10
***First encore:
"Eyes of the World" (Garcia, Hunter) – 14:31 >
"Stella Blue" (Garcia, Hunter) – 7:57
***Second encore:
"Johnny B. Goode" (Berry) – 4:08

... this is a Primo Setlist for my liking, it’s mind blowing to say the least how the Dead played from the start of the performance and then bring everything together starting during the second set and the entire Third Disk!!! “H0LY Toledo” !my brothers & sister’s! This Is the “good Old Grateful Dead” at one of their best musical eras in the bands entire career, IMO at least. Rock on everyone, have a grateful day! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Musings on a Sunday

"Good morning rockers!" (tip of the hat to Doc)

Sixtus - Totally agree we could use the full shows of DP1 & 3. I'd certainly buy them. And I hope that little bambino of yours is doing well!

Lovemygirl - 10/19/73 is hands down my fav show. At least when you mention it.... LOL. Not saying its the best, just my fav. I save that one for special occasions.

Icecrmconekd - Download series seemed like a collection of 2nd tier shows to me. Good shows! But not great ones. Seemed like they were just dipping their toe in the water as an experiment but didn't want to give up the primo goods in case it didn't fly, which it didn't. I too wasn't enamored with digital product at the time, and actually I'm still not. Digital content depreciates to $0 value the moment you buy it, while CD's have some resale value, especially limited releases which hold 100% of their value or more. That is how I convinced my wife the releases are not "throwing money away".

And imagine my disappointment when I went to buy the Giants Stadium box the other day and was SOLD OUT! Surprised me... I noticed they only ran 10,000 copies of Giants and 15,000 copies of PacNorthwest, which is still for sale after 2+ years. Amazing that Pac/Northwest hasn't sold out despite the higher production run. That is an amazing box. Maybe that'll encourage them to put out more 80's/early 90's..... (Space & RV3, that 's your cue....)

[and again, the reason I rarely post anymore is that I feel like I've aired all my opinions over the years to this mostly-same-group of people - I get deja vu anytime I start to type. Apologies for the redundant chatter...]

It's Sunday in Plano Also

Ice Cream Cone Guy - >>>>> I did my downloading at work...….

Good for you, screw the man. The number of man hours I spent at AT&T working on Grateful Dead things! I type all the songs lyrics in files at work, then printed books off that we sold at Dead shows! Maybe why me and ATT parted company :-) Fuckem if they can't take a joke!

Keith the Fan Man - I have the Pink Floyd boxes (and I think all the other stuff), let me know if I can help with those different Echos.

On Re-do's - good "quote" by Jerry about repainting a picture. Sometimes you have to wonder if old stuff is being revisited because there are NO new ideas from people. Could just be corporate pushing also.

Mr Ones and his liner notes - back in my youth I would buy any album that came with lyrics!

Jeff Smith - George Harrison and My Sweet Lord. I didn't know George did that Andy Williams song! (kinda of inside joke - when first met wife she was a big Simon & Garfunkel fan and I was a huge Andy Williams fan. Used to tease that S&G were doing Andy songs. Since Andy did every pop hit of the day, in the day! Like his album with My Sweet Lord, I had NO idea at the time that was a "beatles" song, which is how I would have viewed it)

Dave the Rock - CD go up? That's what I tell "she who must be obeyed" also. (I've heard DaP 1 is going for 2,000 bucks all by itself honey! Yes, honey that vinyl has gone up 10 fold. Yes I know I don't have a turntable, but they were limited. If I don't get now, they'll be gone forever!!!)

Giant Vs PNW sales. Maybe Giant outsold pnw because of the NY fan base. PNW might have been a popular visiting site, but I would have guessed more fans came to the PNW, vs being in the PNW. But NY is NY and it solidly goes back to the beginning.

Deja Vu all over again, don't worry about repeat posting here Dave, old Deadheads (like me) can't remember that kinda of stuff.

…… the trouble is all inside your head she said to me.
You can't remember shit, except to take a pee.
I'd like to help you in with gaps in your memory
I got a mnemonic device to help you remember

…….. Andy Williams, right?

Imagine for a moment

The Grateful Dead breaking out Alligator in 1985 with Brent and Jerry singing lead. I think Brent's plinky keyboard tone would have worked, too. Oh well. What might have been...

@Dennis

DaP 1 $2K? How about one with radical shreddings?

Disc Rot- wouldn’t have believed it!

Hey y’all. It’s been a long time since I’ve posted on the Good ‘Ol Forum, and hope everyone is doing well!
I do usually check in, especially when there is a new release, mostly for the stories.
This week has been weird, though, and with everything going on in the real world I shouldn’t complain, and it does put real life into perspective. But after reading on about disc rot (I’d never seen any Up to this point ), I researched it and discovered, low and behold, all but two of my Live Phish were disintegrated! Absolutely no metal between the plastic whatsoever! Evidently this had been talked about for some time, but I don’t frequent Phish forums, so I didn’t have a clue. So Ok, I figure I’ve been slacking ripping my Dead discs into iTunes (maybe I’d better), and decided to pick up where I left off, which I had already made a sizable accomplishment. Bam! And this is strange- all but four or five title could not be located on my drive. Ditto with an backup- everything else but the Dead.
So I started at zero. Ripped a few Dave’s Picks and figured I’d better do Boxilla! So I’m about halfway through and I realized I don’t have disc 3 from the 1982 Manor Downs show. (Long story but I probably missed this Because I was dealing with some personal stuff when I got the box- sick pet, sick in-law etc.)
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to copy the third disc? I’m reaching out to Dr.Rhino, but I don’t expect anything at this point.
On the other hand, the only weird anomaly I’ve seen on the other Dead discs, so far, is a weird little thumb-print discoloration on Disc three of Dave’s Picks 1. Plays fine and ripped fine. I don’t recall, at the moment, having issues with any other Dave’s Picks. (Good news is that I didn’t see myself sitting on my car in that set of captchas).
Stay safe and healthy.
-Garrison

Jazz Sunday

Off topic for the dead, but if your looking for an interesting Netflix documentary, try I called him Morgan. Interesting story of Lee Morgan with video of Lee with Art Blakey Wayne Shorter and Bobby Timmons. Loved the Searching for a New Land

Happy Birthday shout out to Mr. Zimmerman....

....gonna play some Dylan today. Starting with Nashville Skyline......now.

Some Things

Charlie 3 and Dennis - thanks for pointing me in the right direction on the Pink Floyd Pompeii stuff. Yeah Dennis, I'd love some help with that!

Stoltzie - 5/13/73 you say? I'll bite. To archive I go. When I was checking out the setlist and venue, I read this interesting comment that Jerry played an Erlewine Strat. Found some pictures of him playing the guitar, but I don't know the dates. Would need to cross-reference it with the occasions that he wore that jacket. I wonder what became of that? That's exactly the kind of thing I'm going to blow my money on when I hit the lottery.

Here's the link that should work. The first one I posted didn't work right.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nQFArP4Q-E-P7dyDbz9xSbec2IETZ9C…

And how about Bobby with the SG - I've read that he picked one up occasionally, but I've never seen any pictures until now.

And that belt Donna's wearing with the chain leash on the front - well, it's a leash in my mind anyway....

Daverock - saw your note about Taxman. Funny you mention it, because I just saw an article recently that mentioned it and it was really kind of enlightening. The story was Harrison couldn't nail the solo on his own song. I think it said McCartney did it in one take or something like that. Of course I immediately turned it on to listen in on the new info. This was literally within the last couple of weeks. I was aware that they all solo'd at the end of the Abbey Road medley, I knew Paul played acoustic on Yesterday, but the more I read lately, the more evident it becomes that they shared guitar duties quite a bit. I'd love to see song by song breakdown of who played what. Not sure anything like that it's in print. Apparently a lot of this info came out of a recent book from their sound engineer Geoff Emerick. He was 18 years old when they brought him on for Revolver. Can you imagine? I'd steal a kid's pet dog for an opportunity like that.

KevinBrandon

Just saw your post on I Can See For Miles. I heard / saw the overdubbed bass version 1 time on TV and have not been able to find it anywhere since. Is it on anyting? It's more obscure than the vinyl cut of Magic Bus on Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy, which has a real ending and not a fade-out (as well as some other nuances). That's the one I grew up with on vinyl, and then they replaced it on the CD version with the fade-out version. Bothersome.

Re: Garrison & Wilfred

I hear ya man.. sent you a PM.

Wilfred.. I love it! Why didn't they think of that? ..but who would sing it, they need a ghost of pig or a special guest.

Still.. What a great idea.

Alligator 1985

It's one I think Jerry's 'froggy' voice and Brent's 85 keyboard tone could have done. Boy, that would have been fun. More fun than a Cosmic Charlie breakout? I don't know. But, in '85 there was potential. They were varying the set lists the most they'd done since '76! :-)

Alligator 1985

Bringing back Alligator in 1985 would have been very cool. They brought back Big Boy Pete once. I read an interview were Blair Jackson asked Garcia if they could bring back Alligator and he basically said I don't believe we could ever do that one again.

*RE/ 1985 performances

...Speaking about 1985 Grateful Dead, How about
Dick's Picks Volume 21! A grateful live album in the Dick's Picks series, it contains the complete concert that was recorded on November 1, 1985, at Richmond Coliseum in Richmond, Virginia. It also includes several bonus tracks recorded on September 2, 1980, at the Community War Memorial in Rochester, New York. Also, for collectors, the Pluss with Dick's Picks Volume 21 is that it features rare live recordings of "Spoonful", "Gimme Some Lovin'", "She Belongs to Me", "Gloria" and "Keep Your Day Job".
Each volume of Dick's Picks has its own "caveat emptor" label, advising the listener of the sound quality of the recording. The one for Volume 21 reads:

"DP 21 was mastered from the original digital tapes, our earliest foray into the digital domain to date. The master tapes are Beta PCM cassettes, with stereo digital audio recorded on the video track. We've aimed to make this release sound as good as possible, and we feel we've succeeded. Hopefully you will agree. Enjoy."
Complete Setlist :
*Disc one
**First set:
"Dancing in the Streets" (Marvin Gaye, Ivy Jo Hunter, William "Mickey" Stevenson) – 6:52 >
"Cold Rain And Snow" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 7:32
"Little Red Rooster" (Willie Dixon) – 8:22
"Stagger Lee" (Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia) – 5:55
"Me and My Uncle" (John Phillips) – 3:04 >
"Big River" (Cash) – 6:19
"Brown-Eyed Woman" (R. Hunter, Garcia) – 4:55
"Jack Straw" (R. Hunter, Bob Weir) – 5:24 >
"Don't Ease Me In" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 3:14
*Disc two-
**Second set:
"Samson and Delilah" (trad., arr. Weir) – 7:33
"High Time" (R. Hunter, Garcia) – 8:34 >
"He's Gone" (R. Hunter, Garcia) – 11:07 >
"Spoonful" (Dixon) – 4:54 >
"Comes a Time" (R. Hunter, Garcia) – 8:26 >
"Lost Sailor" (John Barlow, Weir) – 7:27 >
"Drums" (Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann) – 9:06 >
*Disc three-
**Second set continues:
"Space" (Garcia, Phil Lesh, Weir) – 11:26 >
"Saint of Circumstance" (Barlow, Weir) – 6:52 >
"Gimme Some Lovin'" (Spencer Davis, Muff Winwood, Steve Winwood) – 4:27 >
"She Belongs to Me" (Bob Dylan) – 7:54 >
"Gloria" (Van Morrison) – 6:51
***Encore:"Keep Your Day Job" (R. Hunter, Garcia) – 4:14
Bonus tracks recorded September 2, 1980:

"Space" (Garcia, Lesh, weir) – 8:33 >
"Iko Iko" (James "Sugar Boy" Crawford) – 7:47 >
"Morning Dew" (Dobson, Rose) – 11:04 >
"Sugar Magnolia" (R. Hunter, Weir) – 9:14
***Dan Healy – recording
... I remember when I first heard the release , I became very interested in the Dead’s playing in 1985, in my opinion, it’s almost to me , a feeling of a rebirth in the dead’s quality playing; Primo! In its own sort of way in the dicks picks series. This was actually one of my least playing releases but it started to grow on me. It brought back a lot of fond & beautiful memories of my touring years with the dead & the whole community that followed the dead from show to show as well I was grateful enough to meet many beautiful people in the 80’s & 90’s touring community!
Man, now looking back on 1985, I think it’s about time we get another 1985 performance that is Norman treated! Any other fans of 1985 Dead?
Hope everyone is well and enjoying your weekend holiday safely & gratefully everyone, peace be with you all! 🙏❤️💀🌹
. To find HQ releases of this era of the Grateful Dead 1983-1986 have been very hard to find. There aren't a lot of HQ copies of show in the GD Vault from this ERA. I love this era with Brent on Key's. There is so much released from the 70's but very few from this era. The quality is excellent and the energy between the crowd and the band is epic!.Would love to see more release from this era hoping Dave can find some HQ Recordings of this era!!

Pensive Memorial Day, all . . .

Garrison, it looks like Jim has your back, but I can always help with many of the Live Phish. PM me . . .

A few years back I took out my original-run Live Phish and sure enough, the discs had melted away. But it was not disc rot; the plastic photo-album-style CD pocket holders had some chemical in them that ate the disc material. I tried Phish and the manufacturer to no avail. No one would help, even though it's well-documented online that the first year of Live Phish had the problem. Phish quit putting the series in those sleeves after a year or so. All I asked for was some FLAC files (no dice), since it's likely that they have no more physical product of those CDs, but I ended up finding Phish fans who allowed me to rip copies of their Live Phish discs that they had purchased after the switch. One phan phound out that his discs had melted away when he went to pull his out to loan me. Doh.

I've not seen evidence of disc rot after 30+ years and 3000+ CDs, but who knows?

Ryan, I'll definitely check out that Lee Morgan documentary, thanks! I'll watch it with my trumpeter son.

Just received a remastered Hunky Dory in the mail Saturday to replace my 1999 mastering, which replaced the 1989 mastering, so I will admit that I chase remasterings all the time. The CDs from 1987-1994 or so were rushed out, and the music companies usually did not take time to find the masters for the CD pressings. And few realized at the time that the CD was not just a smaller version of an LP or a round cassette; the companies prepared the first CDs as if the discs had no differences than previous media in terms of pros/cons.

Then after a decade of discs, some companies re-did the releases with the best tapes and an idea of what the CD was capable of. But during that time (let's say 1996-2004) there were also folks trying to overly-compress the music (the "Loudness Wars"), so some of those first remasterings had better sound before the compression, but lousy sound on the CDs. (and some of the packaging of the remasters was not great)

So this past decade or so has seen people going back to the original tapes and to the good, 2000-era remastered tapes, but using the latest technology, leaving some breathing room on the discs, and also spiffing up the packaging, which to me creates a raft of second- and third-time around releases which really hit the spot. To my ears, the 1999 Bowie remasters are easily bettered by the more recent remasterings, but your mileage may vary. And as I mentioned a few days back, the newest stereo Beatles remasters really are ear-opening. (the Mono box, it goes without saying, is pure delight)

Alligator 1985

Jerry should have had more faith! They could have done it and it would have been really great! I can hear the 1985 GD playing it in my mind's ear. They had the right sound to do it I think. Just imagine Alligator>Cryptical>Other One at the Greek in June! What could have been! :-)

Canada Delivery?

Has anyone here received this in Canada yet? I got an email a month ago saying it had shipped. It usually takes 2 weeks but because of COVID-19 I have been extra patient. I have heard some things about USPS and Canada Post being super slow.

I just want to make sure I didn't have an issue receiving this before I contact asking where my package is. Thanks for any information!

Alligator 1985

I imagine, Garcia probably felt without Pig Pen doing Alligator or Easy Wind for that matter, that those tunes just wouldn't make it. Those were Pig Pen tunes all the way, and he was the guy that really made them work.

Marleyman in Canada...

I still haven't received mine. According to UPS tracking, it was handed off to Canada Post on May 10th. I contacted UPS to see if they had new tracking info for Canada Post, but they didn't - told me to contact the shipper. So it looks like things are just moving slowly (I'm guessing in part because of border restrictions).

I keep lurking here to see what people are saying about non-USA deliveries. No need to panic, yet.

pigpen songs

I know that they're not pigpen songs, but bobby brought back a bunch of blues numbers pigpen used to sing. Why not Alligator? Of course, we'll never know but I can hear 85 Grateful Dead absolutely nailing Alligator. And, it would have been fun.

ShaggyFraggle

Thanks. I figured it was delayed given everything going on. Glad to know I am not alone.

I think I am especially impatient for this one because these shows rock so much, holy!

Happy Memorial Day

everyone. I hope you're spending some time with loved ones and remembering all those who gave their lives for our country over the years.

I've been on an '88 kick recently, listening to March 31st 1988 - Brendan Bryne Arena - Road Trips Vol 4 #2, followed up be the 30 trips offering, 7-3-88 Oxford Plains. Both shows have some great moments. If I remember correctly MD Jim was at 3-31.

I really liked the Queen Jane and Birdsong to end set 1 of Oxford, and then Touch of Grey into Hey Pockey Way to open the 2nd. Great sting of songs. Bobby was a little over the top on the Hey Jude; Brent was cracking up.

I think the Road Trips show from 3-31 was stronger top to bottom. I loved the 1st set setlist especially.

Now on to Lille '72. I'll be listening for the upright piano sounds.

Quick question: I took a pic of the Uptown Theater this am on my bike ride and would love to post it. Does anybody know how to do that?

Cheers.

Slow dog

Post-it on your avatar.

May 25, 1974 UCSB and the Wall of Sound...

...Well 46 years ago five of us drove up to the Santa Barbara Campus Football Stadium for a mighty fine show...it basically served as the bachelor party for our bud John...a wonderful time was had by all and it's crazy to think that John & Gloria will be celebrating their 46th anniversary next week...the sad part is that John and I are the only ones still trodding along on this ball of confusion...so to Mousey, Dogweed Al and Eller Dave thanks for the bittersweet memories and thanks for all the laughs....

Not playing certain songs

Your both right! It would have been awesome and they could of pulled it off if they really wanted to. But generally they weren’t into pig tunes after he passed. I think perhaps Weir felt Lovelight, Smokestack etc weren’t really Pig tunes but blues covers? Of course Bob being Bob no one was going to tell him no, in fact doing so probably would of made him dig in harder lol.
But I think the two main reasons I often heard/read the band say about not playing songs was;
1) they had to want to play a song. Some quote like we have so many choices, we usually won’t play something if even one person doesn’t want to.
2) Rehearsal: another often quoted statement was it became increasingly difficult to get everyone together to rehearse, especially Jerry as his problem increased. They’ve all said certain songs cannot be performed without appropriate rehearsal.

EDIT: now that you’ve got me thinking about it...imagine an 85 DS, not just a one off, but somewhat back in rotation like 89.....or even better...a 85 Death Don’t! Holy shit can’t you just hear them killing that song!! Unfortunately, see #2 above ☹️

Canadian Delivery

Me too, still waiting patiently for 34 to arrive

LMG Reminder

Lovemygirl can you please post the link to the set list, not the entire set list itself. It makes a mess of your posts and the page in general. Then I can't figure out where your commentary begins and the set list filler ends.

When you say your "touring years" with the band, what did you do, drive from city to city with your buddies?

Re:Nappyrags

My girlfriend (now wife) and I were at that show. What a beautiful day. I'll never forget seeing the Wall Of Sound covered in blue tarp as we made our way into the venue and thinking "Is that the sound system...whoa?!" Also noted the crowd size being significantly larger than the year before at the same venue. We no longer had these guys to ourselves. Also was the first night I checked into a motel. With a young lady. And not married. Exciting. I was 19.

I'm on call for work today, so I'm quarantined within my quarantine.

5 25 74

I predicted that to be a Daves a while back

We got PNW box instead

That's fiiiiiine with me :)))

Someday, though, Dave...

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