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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • KeithFan2112
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    I can't wait to get my hands on this box set. It wasn't that long ago that DP 18 & 25 were the only two Estimated Prophets I had with that kick-ass Jerry solo that goes on for a minute and a half to 2 minutes, and the DP 25 version isn't that good. I didnt realize this was a 78 thing until after I bought May 1977, which to my dismay, had 5 EPs with no 2 minute solo. I picked up copies of the Egypt and From Egypt with Love bonus CDs and doubled my EP 78 collection, but neither of those blew my mind quite like DP 18. Two more versions came along with DaP 15 and 30 Trips, and now there are three more coming in this July box set. Can't wait to get my filthy Deadhead hands on it. Also looking forward to two more 78 Music Never Stopped. This one developed a bit in late 77 / early 78 as well, with a 2 minute mind bending jam around the 3:45 mark. I also never grow tired of new Scarlet / Fires, you just always get something nice there (DaP 7 let it burn, let it burn, let it burn), and the Egypt stand-alone Fire on the Mountain is one of my favs. Two more of these coming,look out! With any luck, something will click on the Eyes of the World fast version...I can't say it's the best new direction I've heard them take a song, but I understand! Cocaine is a powerful motivator.... DL's comments about the Werewolves at Red Rocks is encouraging; feels like they didn't quite get it right on DaP 7 or DP 25. Peggy-O on the Wolf - yes please. Cassidy - got a little better every year between 76 and 78, culminating in my favorite on DaP 7. The Wheel too, but alas, I'll need to throw DP 18 in there. Bertha / Good Lovin' also consistently better in 78, and I attribute this mostly to the Wolf. The 77 versions are a little too "sterile" if that's the right word, and Bertha always seemed to have an audio drop in the one slot, so hopefully the new one will rock ass like DP 18 and DaP 15. And also looking forward to two new Terrapins and Samsons, which will hopefully contain something remarkable, although with Samson, it might be tough to beat 77 (5/28/77 is a face melt with all the fixins - great God almighty talk Wooo). A couple new Wharf Rats too, and the Wolf was good for this song too.
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    I heard it as:Q: How many dead heads does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: None. They let it burn out, then follow it around the country for 30 years.
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    Fantastic show. Bid You Goodnight makes a comeback with Johnny B. Goode as the encores. The last GDTRFB>NFA. Channeling 1971. Summer '88 to Spring '90 was smokin'. Best of Brent, though '87 adn '85 were also strong, ditto '79/'80. For an excellent Brent show, check out 4-8-89 Riverfront Coliseum (I think I have the date right). Best Blow Away ever. LTGTR. Fantasy>Jude. Great Brent night. Cold rainy night, also a nasty Looks Like Rain from Bob. Jerry contributes a nice West LA, China>Rider, Eyes. And a nice Box of Rain encore. Everyone involved. Plus, I believe there was stage jumper.
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    Betty boards and werewolves of London was all you needed to say for me to add this bad boy to my cart. I do agree that Keith was in a rythumick stranglehold in the late 70's but I don't agree that he was in any kind of decline before he left the band. Favorite Keith year is 74 and he absolutely smokes on Daves 17. On a side note I love the way Keith would look when he played. Was he pissed off or was he in deep concentration. Occasionally a smirk but never a smile and always a cheap domestic beer on top of that piano. A very mysterious and quite man indeed but what he could do on those keys. He was a true artist and definitely not a rock star.
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    Thanks all.
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    How many Deadheads does it take to screw in a light bulb?A: 501.One to screw in the light bulb,one to tape it and 499 to follow 'em around. What did the militant horses demand? A: HEY NOW! ;)
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    My Spinal Tap joke fell flat. It was a good attempt you made, as always, to smooth out the bumpy vibes, and it worked (as always). Cheers to JimInMD for never having a bad thing to say about anyone or anything. THAT's the Dead vibe. Packaging for July 1978, hmmm. I like the Winterland packages, and would pleased with an exact replica (tri-fold digipak style covers, booklet, etc), but somehow I don't think that's what it's going to be. I wasn't too jazzed with the May 1977 artwork and packaging. The box was cool, the way it snaps shut, but the covers fell apart on me, and the pages of the book came unglued and separated from the spine. Rdevil, funny you mention not liking Brent on Stranger from DaP 8 - it's my favorite version! I like the minimoog he uses for the main Stranger melody. He got away from that in later versions... Edit - LOL rdevil, that was awesome (i.e what the duck are we listening to?)
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    Hadn't heard the one about the flies, not bad.I'm always interested to hear more Dead jokes. I've mentioned a couple old ones in the past and will repeat them here after Jim's plea for levity. What did one deadhead say to the other when they ran out of drugs? A: What the fuck are we listening to? Why do the Grateful Dead have two drummers? A: In case one of them falls asleep. Anyone else?
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    Off the top of my head, I'd say my three favorite post Keith shows are 10-27-79, 9-18-87 and 7-17-89. I'm in the minority in that I struggle with some of Brent's playing on DaP8, especially during Stranger and Around. I love Brent but prefer his later work both vocally and on keys. But I enjoyed the '80 and '81 shows from Boxzilla so I should give DaP8 another listen soon--it's been awhile. Not tonight, though. I try to listen to JGB Warner Theater show every year on Palm Sunday.
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    LoveJerry. The more you post, the more I like you. Call it Plinko or whatever you want. The keyboard sound circa late 70s renders the band virtually unlistenable. Shakedowns and Dancin in the Streets are total abominations to my ears. Yes, I understand the recent posts about their merits, but I just don't get it. If nothing else, you need to applaud the band for continually striving for a new sound. I personally can't handle the later stuff, most of which I saw live. As for under the radar bands. Freddy Jones and From Good Homes (the prior incarnation of Railroad Earth)
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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....taking a late lunch at work to meet the mailman....talk to y'all later!!...
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According to the tracking link, this set is waiting for me at my doorstep! Can't wait to get home from work... Does anyone know if GD are selling prints of any of these covers? Really into the 7/1 art work and would love to have a full print framed!
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...How grating Bobby's slide can sometimes be in '78. The first Werewolves encore (7/3), there is a point of near-wincing wherein all I am hearing is what sounds like a dentist's drill in my teeth. Thanks Ace! So far, my only small harrumph. Carry On. Sixtus
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....my mailbox, again, had that eerie greenish glow. Awesome shipping box, awesome interior box. It's....it's....beautiful. Kudos dead.net team. Blown away once again. #11167 will be cherished forever. All discs in place, no obvious blemishes. Paul Pope artwork is stellar. The comic book influence is sweet. I keep expecting Batman to be in here somewhere. Tim Truman from DaP 5-8 is also a comic artist. Loved his covers too. Does anyone know Jim Lee's #? He could pull it off too....tap into those superhero artists....Spinning KC as I chow on leftover lasagna. Sounds as good as it looks. Thanks many times over....
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7/5/78, Bobby's slide solo in Sugaree is atrocious! Still, I'm digging this set regardless.
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7/5/78, Bobby's slide solo in Sugaree is atrocious! Still, I'm digging this set regardless.
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I am really digging the Music Never Stopped from the 7/7/78 show. I hope all those boxes still in the ether arrive soon. Let the masses have their music!! Cheers
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I just got my July '78 Box (#6994) in the mail today, and can't wait to sink my ears into it! I don't ever come around these parts really, so I'm not sure if these ideas have been thrown out there yet. In keeping with the 5 show Box Set theme like May '77 and July '78 (and Fillmore '69 for that matter), how about a May/June 1973 Box with 5/13, 5/20, 5/26, 6/9, and 6/10. What a monster of a set that would be! As far as Dave's Picks go, we all love the '72-'78 stuff, and now we've gotten plenty of that. For some of the future Dave's Picks releases, I'd love to see the '80-'83 period delved into much more deeply...would like to see a good few releases from this period. Really looking forward to a Summer full of fun with my daughter and Dave's Picks 18+ Bonus disc and this July '78 Box. Thanks for taking to time to check out folks' recommendations!
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This is my first box set I've ordered from dead.net. I am really digging the Terrapin Station from Arrowhead. Fantastic quality! Cannot wait to hear them all!
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Thanks for the upload of the artwork. Usually I check this site like every hour, but I am a bit behind due to uploading all of this music to iTunes and burning my copies. I am on the St. Paul show, and if this is the weak sister here, all I can say is WOW because the second set is currently blowing me away. Great job by DL2 once again. If this is the beginning of returning Betty Boards, then OMG, we may be starting THE Golden Age of Dead shows if these 5 are any indication. Betty For President! You go girl! Rock on
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Really? I live in Wyoming and can tell ya NOTHING...EVER...goes through Wamsutter. Even us residents.Wow,your box is on the tour-de-force. Good luck. Me...still no joy. Oh well.
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Just announced: Dead & Co at the Fillmore Monday 5/23. Kicker: it's a free show, tickets on sale online only, no tickets at the door...
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jrf68 - Ha ha. Truer words may never have been spoken. That is a long lonely stretch of interstate and Wamsutter is no oasis in the (red) desert. Bummer no box yet. My license plate begins with 5 and I got mine on Monday... Hopefully the Pony Express delivers yours soon.
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That is most definetly "Me & My Uncle" country. Cambell Co.? Me,22. Paradise Lost....
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I have a question for one of you old school audiophiles about the mix. I don't have output levels on any of my current equipment.. but I couldn't help myself by comparing this to some of the '77 Betty Boards I have. This sounds like the output is higher, more saturated.. and yes ultimately.. louder. I usually prefer the softer mixes, I have the gunpowder to add more volume than my ears can take if need be.. But the mixes here are explosive, and I guess in a good way. Its not a criticism. Is anyone else noticing this? One Man, wjonjd?
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....I Googled that place 'cause I was bored. Pop 481?....I bet that box was lonely.... ....was-a-mutter you!....lol
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481, that's 40 more people than the town I live in :D.
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Corner of shipping box slightly smashed but contents intact.First in: 7/7 since I've listened to that show over 100 times but never in stereo. What an epiphany compared to the cassette from years ago and the CD-R I have now. Wamsutter to Fernley, better hope it doesn't take a detour up to the Black Rock Desert. JIM - I'm not an audio engineer but this is louder on my arbitrary scale of Dave's Picks all being at '40' on my stereo volume dial.
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Bob Weir's slide "playing" kind of abrasive on an otherwise stellar FOTM. Anone know the months during '78 when he played slide? Seems like from May forward. I don't hear it on the 12/31/78 FOTM, but I do hear it on the Stagger Lee (where it actually sounds real good). Not sure if it was an on/off thing from night to night?
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first class all the way aroundman we are fortunate that someone cares enough to produce something like this, and for betty for recording it so long ago amazing box of awesome
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The goods were patiently waiting (undamaged save for a dent in the outer box) in my mailbox when I got home today. I was solo, so I cranked up Disc 1 on the JBLs in the living room. First thing I noticed was the vocals were loud to the point of some distortion. The mix seems to settle down some after the first few songs, but there is still a share of odd sounds, like the kick drum tone. I'm about to head down to the studio where I'll try Disc 2 on the nice monitors. I'm going to be surprised if anything here is sonically as good as the best Bettys from 1977. Performance-wise, it strikes me that the GD knew damn well this was not their audience. They bring a mighty effort to the first half of the show, practically masquerading as rock stars. I'm very interested to hear how the second half of this show sounds. Coming soon to speakers near me!
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May sounds about right. Someone on one of these threads pinpointed it a year or so ago and I think its in May.. Its at its worst in the beginning and it can pop up on seemingly any song. Later in the year he was regulated to the GD version of slide time-out, where the 'slide' only appears on the dreaded slide only songs such as Rooster, CC Rider and a few others. Similar to the technique I used to block out Donna wails.., after countless hours of mind control, meditation and electroshock therapy.. I have trained my brain to overlook the slide anomalies and enjoy what are often otherwise very enjoyable shows. _____________________________________________________ ...and One Man, the second disc rocks.. from the jam in Estimated through the soulful redemption of Wharf Rat, its special. I honestly tuned out the rockers at the end because I suddenly wasn't alone so I cant comment on them. ...and Chris Grand, agree. This is a thing of beauty. I honestly prefer it to 30 trips. Don't get me wrong, I love 30 trips.. but that box was like eating too much on Thanksgiving. A great meal but too over the top. This box covers all bases, right size, right price, great shows, great sound, wonderful art/package and the added bonus of more than half the music previously did not circulate. An instant classic.
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This is SO good on so many levels.Thank you Betty, thank you David, thank you Rob, thank you Jeffrey! Etc. etc. Love the rocks box and all its glorious, affordable, beautiful, enduring awesomeness! -One super happy Hoopsie!
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@JiminMD - yeah, but that's 481 people surrounded by about 4000 square miles of nuthin' except antelope and sage brush! And a gas field. Which is why there are any people there at all. @ jrf68 - no not Campbell. Albany.
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My bad. :)
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My July 1978 box made it to Sacramento at 2:06 PM, less than 150 miles away. Must be a two-night stand as the delivery date has now been pushed back to Friday by the end of the day. AAAAAARGH!
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I've been tracking mine all week, got hung up in Great Falls for 2 days and only now arrived in Seattle. I'm 10 miles away and it's going to take until Friday? Sigh....
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Its the last day of the tour.. can't blame your box for wanting to hang around Sacramento an extra day, can you? If its any consolation.. my box came a day early, hopefully yours will too. Hang in there man. This isn't '68 special, but its special nonetheless, and well worth the wait.
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Why does everyone hate the slide so much?Do you not like the slide at all, or do you like the slide but not when Bob is using it? I can't play any musical instrument so ignorance is bliss. Donna: She sounds good with JGB in '76, but has some not so great moments with the Dead. So, one of the bands was giving her something backstage which affected her performance?
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Unlike you, I'm unable to ignore the slide; his solos on 7/3 Werewolves roll into one long clam! I just started 7/5, and here comes the slide trying to overpower Jerry. Other than that, Jerry's on fire throughout these shows, 7/1 is a ton of fun, and Mickey's bass drum can be obnoxious at times, to my ears he was mic'd much better in 76.
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Unlike you, I'm unable to ignore the slide; his solos on 7/3 Werewolves roll into one long clam! I just started 7/5, and here comes the slide trying to overpower Jerry. Other than that, Jerry's on fire throughout these shows, 7/1 is a ton of fun, and Mickey's bass drum can be obnoxious at times, to my ears he was mic'd much better in 76.
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It's because he plays out of tune.
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Even after practice and years of experience, Bob wasn't a great slide player. I felt the same.. honestly, the electroshock therapy only made it worse.. but years of therapy and 12 years of transcendental meditation in Nepal and here I am. At peace. I'm with you man.. start with some therapeutic breathing and pastel colors. If all else fails, I will send you a dart board in the shape of a slide guitar. ______________ Slide Guitar Dart Board related side-bar (honestly 100% true, you cant make this stuff up).. When I was in high school and cutting my teeth on the GD and all its accompaniments.. me and my older, much cooler and smarter brother shared a basement with a kick ass sound system, a full sized fridge, a pool table, ping pong table, a dart board and a very curious, super cool cat that liked to get stoned (don't tell my aging parents). So every night when we got off work she would come down and hang out with us. (Peta folks chill out.. she actually really liked it). Anyway.. after a few years of checking us out.. one day we were playing some dart game and the cat jumped up in the air and caught the dart. It freaked us all out.. she jumped at least four feet in the air, caught the damn thing, landed, it still in her paw and proceeded to lick the same paw, like she found some spec of dirt that needed cleaned. We were slack jawed. She had been checking us out for years.. it was a learned behavior, if she heard darts from anywhere in the house, down she would come and assume the same spot on the carpet and watch the darts fly. Don't freak out.. she was no dummy.. she had a sneak attack, her paw actually came swiped from the back end and she always caught the feather part (if that makes sense). Her paw moved faster than the dart in the same direction it was going. She NEVER caught the point of the dart. As far as I know, we had the first dart catching cat.. and it amazed my friends until the day she died. Cool and true story. Kimba the dart catching cat - and she LOVED the Grateful Dead as does our current non-dart catching cat Bagira. Edit: One add.. so we were clever hippies.. and we quickly realized the trick to catching darts was to come in from the back side and try to 'catch the feather part' and so human dart catching became a fun not-sober sport of chance in my youth. Kimba was infinitely better than us mortals. Enter my brothers d.f. buddy (I can only assume a later Darwin award winner) Jeff Dimwitt as we called him. Stepped up to the plate to try his hand at dart catching.... I could go on...
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Beautiful packaging! Can't wait to listen!
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Agreed, the 7/1 show catches fire near the end of EP whence the Gar goes moderately cray-cray and doesn't let up through the remainder of the show. I can see (hear) why it was hyped. It's fab. The bass drum still bugs me -- especially in the drum solo, where it totally dominates -- and I do not like Weir's guitar tone in '78, even when he's not playing slide (and it got even more tinny by the time he got to Egypt, but don't get me started on that and Billy's broken paw). These are minor quibbles. We are lucky to hear this from a good audio source. My commute tomorrow will consist of the entirety of 7/3, beginning at 6am Eastern. Can't wait!
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Thank you for posting the link to the individual album artwork for this box. Any chance you have the same thing for the May 77 Box?
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Thank you for posting the link to the individual album artwork for this box. Any chance you have the same thing for the May 77 Box?
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....that the Giants Stadium show on 9.2.78 had Willie Nelson opening. I suspect that arrangement was discussed over a few fat joints backstage two months earlier. The Wheel is turning and it can't slow down.....
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Watch the master Duane Allman. You play slide by being exactly over the fret and moving your hand with vibrato. Not everyone can do it well. Bob took a long time to get mediocre.As per Donna, she said many times she couldn't hear herself well. In that case a trained pro backs off the mic! Donna just wailed, and many times it was harsh. Half of singing is listening when doing harmony. Period. This box is gonna be go to for summer no question. I love the 72 vibe the best, but this is gonna make for good times this summer.
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How cool is the shipping box? For those who transferred to iTunes or are digital only what are you using for art work for each show?
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Been listening to the 3 disc set for a few days....#13446 box set arrived today... can't wait til work tomorrow!
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The vocals on daves pick 18 also distort when turned up just like 78 box
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The vocals on daves pick 18 also distort when turned up just like 78 box
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The vocals on daves pick 18 also distort when turned up just like 78 box
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I never had the opportunity to see Duane live. Thankfully, Trucks is a living prodigy-cousin. Certainly woven from the same cloth and could today be the best living slide guitarist. The torch still burns. ________ Kimba was much smarter than DeWitt.
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....yeah, he got it alright. LOVE that movie btw....post-apocalypse classic. "If it's alright with you, I'll drive that tanker."....Fury Road got close....btw, July '78 box is chrome, and I've only made it through the first Arrowhead disc....
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