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I asked my New Hope, PA expert what the word was on the "Now and Then" shop, below is his reply. I have in front of me their ' farewell business card' that we picked up at our last visit to the Now And Then Shop in New Hope, in 2004. The card reads, "FARE THEE WELL 1970-2004 NOW & THEN SHOP COMING SOON WWW.NOWANDTHENSHOP.COM" If you go to that website, the information posted is for a shop they opened in Circleville, Ohio. We read a post in a New Hope blog online with a 2009 date that they were going to open another Now And Then Shop down one of the alleys in New Hope. The spot where the original shop was on Bridge Street right by the water has another business running there now. But we have never found the new Now And Then Shop during our visits to New Hope, so I don't think it ever was opened.

Good analogy. Danger, Danger Will Robinson! Nice theme for the artwork for if you ask me.

Since you kindly complimented my use of the word "Enskulled," I am honor-bound to reveal its origin. I got the word from (none other than) Jack Kerouac! His word, that struck & stayed with me, is from his lesser-known bio/travel book: "Vanity of Duluoz." I wouldn't necessarily recommend this book...though it does contain an extremely gritty description of himself, too drunk to move & lying on a disgustingly filthy bar-bathroom toilet floor; and a bunch of total jerks urinating all over him.

You got it Dennis, the one and only Now and Then Shop. Saw your other posting too of the 'Fare Thee Well' notice - I like it. My folks live in New Hope and I hit the town about once a year and have kept an eye open for the reincarnation, but sadly as you note it doesn't exist there. Oh, the days gone by... Sixtus

DP19 will be Melkweg. sez me. Exploited's "F the System" is my song of the moment.

I remember that shop right next to the bridge in New Hope. I live there currently and I have not heard about Now and Then re-opening but you never know. Small world.

Try Cold Roses double cd and Northern Lights 6-3-05 from Archive.org. Love Easy Plateau

The Now and than shop in New Hope was the front of the building that sold posters bongs and shit for your dorm like a giant Jerry tapestry. The record store in the back was called something else and was a separate store. Remember hearing Patti Smith horses the first time and getting it.

I got 10/29/77 about 12 years ago or so from a friend - i wore that bootleg out from listening to it so much. Great show, great tape - and i think there are better versions on the archive than what i had. I'm sure there are people more qualified than I to explain why it's not been released (missing masters?) but i sure hope it sees the light of day - MORE than holds it's own to the spring tour....

Sorry guys. I have been on the bus for 43 years and have, do, and always will, consider myself a dyed in the wool Dead Head! Rock on

Yup. Really good stuff. Das Haus 10/17/2006. On the archive. Sirius has been playing a lot of Dead & Company lately. Listened to a portion of the Broomfield show today. I realize that I am clearly in the minority, but I don't get it. Doesn't sound good to me at all.

Ken Goodman - with regard to the skulls on the July '78 Complete Recordings box set, I have to agree with you - this is too much. As far as the Dave's Picks series goes, I think the skeletons date back to a conversation that Dave Lemieux and Dr. Rhino had with Bob Weir and Phil Lesh at some point near the end of the Road Trips series....... Dr. Rhino: The thing is gentlemen, partial shows just don't sell as well as complete shows, regardless of the quality. Bob Weir: That's what I've been saying all along man, the Deadheads may be okay with partial releases, but the DeadFREAKs want complete shows, because they GET it. Dave L: I agree. I was never too keen on partial releases, except maybe for unavoidable circumstances, like an incomplete recording, or a bad tape reel. I think folks have begun to make some assumptions about what a Road Trips release IS, and what it is NOT; and unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many complete show Road Trips we put out at this point, the damage is done. Dr. Rhino: Dave's right. And I should add - you slap a skeleton on the front cover of these things, and they sell like hot cakes. Phil: What do you propose then? Dr Rhino: Makeover. We cancel Road Trips and just start fresh. We put a new series together of complete shows only; if there is extra room, we'll put some killer filler on it from a related show, we'll get back-to-basics on the artwork - Phil [Interrupting]: Meaning? Dr. Rhino: Skeletons, lots of skeletons. Bob Weir: Bears don't sell? Phil: We know this? Dr. Rhino: well, SKULL and Roses.... Phil [thoughtful]: Go on.... Dave L: I have that May 25th '77 show from the Mosque on standby for just such an occasion. It was the day the original Star Wars was released, so we can do Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi having a light saber duel on the cover, wearing Tie Dyes with Steal Your Face emblems, and - Bob Weir: Not good enough. Dave L: Pardon? Bob Weir: T-shirts ain't good enough. Just depict two skeletons having a light saber duel, one red, one blue. Dave L: Red and blue skeletons? Bob Weir: Red and blue light sabers. Dave L [clapping hands and rubbing them together]: Oh yeah, right right right. Bob Weir: or better yet, just a close-up of two skeleton hands clashing red and blue light sabers. Phil: Except the light sabers are drum sticks! Dave L [wide-eyed]: Just exactly perfect! Bob Weir [scowling at Lemieux]: I say that. Dave L: Pardon? Bob Weir: "Just exactly perfect" - that's my line. You start sayin' it, people will start thinking it's okay to cop my lines and use them in any old context they want. Before you know it, some moof-milker will be posting it all over that ridiculous message board. Phil: what message board? Bob Weir: You know, that one where we sell the CDs. Dave L [eager to please]: Sorry boss, I was just excited about the - Bob Weir: How do we market it Doc? Dr. Rhino: Limited edition sells. Limited edition, with lots and lots of skeletons. Dave L: Skeletons in space, skeletons with top hats, skeletons leaning on fancy cars, skeletons in coat tails, skeleton skaters, skeletons with Pigpen's hat, posing as the Statue of Liberty.... Bob Weir: That may be skeleton overkill - throw in an alligator. Dr. Rhino: What? Bob Weir [laughing]: A goddam alligator, like the one living at the Academy of Music under rows EE and FF, seats 4, 5, and 6. Dave L: and we can have him sitting out in the noon-day sun wearing Pigpen's hat - Bob Weir [glaring at Dave, then pensive]: Okay. Phil: Do alligators sell? Dr Rhino: Skeletons sell. Bob Weir: Can't we just have the artist put an old skeleton bone on the road next to the alligator, for fuck's sake? Dr Rhino: Skulls in particular. Bob Weir: Make it from an animal then - keep the alligator, but enskull the picture with a dead elk's head or something. Phil: Skeletons it is... Dave L: Skeletons with bears, skeletons with angel's wings....how about a trio of skeletons playing acoustic guitars?....or how about this - a skeleton Wizard Of Oz theme for the '72 Kansas show – Bob Weir: We played in Kansas? Dave L: Just once, in Wichita. Bob Weir: Hey Phil, did we play Jack Straw there? Phil: We’d be dicks if we didn’t. Bob Weir: Well did we? Dave L: Skeletons picking up trolley cars, skeletons dancing with hippie chicks……

That's my combo todayAnybody heard Dave Grier I Have the House to Myself? Fine CD. I just got turned on to it. Sprinkle in some Norman Blake and shows from July 78 and a pinch of 72 Makes for a good day of tunes PS keithfan.......very funny! Now I have to clean up a pee stain from too hardy laughing!

I also took a break today from my endless and unrelenting tour of July '78. I listened to DaP16, which occurred 3 days before my first ever GD show. I tried to think back to what I was going through back then. Ah, the good old days, when I was neither good nor old! Lol. Rock on

Effing brilliant. Thanks for that. EDIT - you should send that to Dr. Rhino and Dave. Everybody needs a laugh now and then.

KeithFan...this made me laugh out loud multiple times during my initial read as well as subsequent reads. I needed this today. Thank you. Also, wow, very interesting that people are familiar with this little record store in New Hope that went out of business so many years ago. Such were the locales back then wherein we'd descend collectively upon an outlet which housed our highly sought after artifacts, even if we didn't necessarily know what we were purchasing at the moment in terms of quality. The true 'caveat emptor', I'll say! Sixtus

Hats off. Really funny stuff.. I am looking to see if the video is still out on YouTube. Edit: As I suspected.. the YouTube of the Phil/Bobby/Dr. Rhino's strategy meeting has been removed at the request of PETA. Something about Bob's beard and cruelty to raccoons. Oh well, at least KeithFan was kind enough to send the transcript. AngryJack.. I casually listened to that show today on Sirius, but not with any focus. I guess I will have to start it over and relisten. Really nice piano solo on Peggy-O. Edit #2: The jam out of he's gone through the end of Eyes of the world is pretty hot. Chimenti is on fire.

Very funny,,,, I assume this was made up, right? Can somebody dub this into the hitler video or the video with the husband and wife talking about how he needs more space. Sent off to several friends that don't read this forum.

funny you should mention bob's beard,,,, while we were watching the show from bonnaroo the other night my wife said, "ok somebody needs to tell bob to shave off the fucking beard and get a real haircut" There are things you see sometimes that make you think, "did you look in a mirror and decided that looked good?"

You guys are cracking me up today. General #3 (Phil)- "Do Aligators Sell?" Hitler (very agitated) yelling - "Skeletons Sell, Dummkopf!" General #4 (Bobby) - "I thought Dancing Bears moved product" Hitler (steaming, veins popping from his neck and spit flying) - "Look.. its not that ficken complicated.. Skulls and Skeletons Sell Arschfotze"

Call me whatcha want, just don't call me late to ..... a 1968 DaP 19!!!!!!!!!!! Tough thing is, 68s tend to be supernovas that explode and die in the 1-2 disc range. If it's something different, which I think Dave said or I've mindlessly repeated what someone else said (I'd NEVER do that), then perhaps (3) full, one-disc 68 shows or a 2-disc and 1-disc companion. The logic, however, for releasing 1966-70 is a bit tough, being that the # of shows in the vault for each of those years must be rather meager. I could see doing something in 2018 for a 50th anniv. of 68, but who knows how Dave's mind works, except for the happy hype, which I don't begrudge him. He's excited to be doing this and he does have a nice rhythm and fondness for surprises. Must be a fun job, except I'd never listen to a show a dozen times. Once and I'm onboard or indifferent. I do like the returned tapes theory, despite the 78 box. (Yes, more Bettys to come, it seems.) Maybe it's a 2-disc show, w/ a companion disc that's not closely related in time. But what's the logic there? Just hand over a hot 71 Pigpen-saturated show and I'll pipe down. Ah, succumbing to making empty threats... Just call me a hendrix, allmans, band, GD, roy buchanan freak/head/grapefruit. Glad to hear that cat's wife is healing from her car accident. We need to hear the word "healing" more often.

dennis willmot -yeah, made it up for sure - I guess I should clarify that as I used real people's names. In real life, they said none of those things (to my knowledge). claney, I would send it to dr rhino and dave lemieux, as you suggest for a laugh, but I used so much context from things written by folks in today's posts here, that I don't think the good doctor and vault keeper would be able to appreciate it quite as much as the rest of us, who actually read ken goodman's post about being tired of the skull artwork (and his made-up classic term "enskulled", which I agree with One Man - it's one of the best made-up words in recent history; or JimInMD's term "killer filler", as well as rdevil's "deadhead" vs "deadfreak" distinction. of course, if DaP 19 features a skeleton dancing with a hippie chick, you guys may question my true identity....

"Bob Weir [glaring at Dave, then pensive]: Okay." LOL No worries about sending this is to Dave and Rhino - I think it's safe to say that if its on this board they've seen it. "Oh I never look at that board" - ya right...

Yep, someone from these very boards recommended this one a year or so ago, and it rocketed to the top of my list of unreleased shows. This is just one of the many benefits of prowling around here -- sage advice from experts. Also -- more skulls please.

My friend calls him the Lorax. He looked like he just rolled out of bed at the latest Dead and Co. show. http://www.fuse.tv/image/575e38cb525bac9d1f00002c/816/545/dead-and-comp…

Some have said -- I'm not saying it, but people have said it -- that Bobby got into hiding behind the beard and long hair and dabbled a bit too much in meds in an unconscious shadowing of his buddy, Jer. Of course, sometimes a beard is just a beard... The Bobby/werewolf look is a pungent reminder of that fresh-faced kid with the guitar I saw first in '72 who didn't have a whisker on him, and now we're all getting to be graybeards... Course, at that time, Jer was a freshly minted 30 yrs old, not a touch of grey and his green or black t-shirts fit a rather trim youngster. Where does the time go? Sorry Kate, if you're still out there -- not ALL of us are gray or bearded.

Thanks Keithfan for the Fable of the Skull that Can't Go Away. Even if that roundtable discussion had actually happened, the scene you painted couldn't be more indelibly etched in my mind's eye. Ha! We needed that! PS: Anybody have any idea why the Archive has been down for the last few hours? Hope it's just scheduled maintenance or something. . .

Who is going to a Riverbend tomorrow or Deer Creek Friday ? I am hoping for "Good Lovin" , "Throwing Stones" , "Sailor -> Saint" at some point Money is on "Help -> Slip -> Franklin's" opener for Friday night at Deer Creek 10.29.77 - primo show, high energy 1st set with 2nd set X-Factor goodness. One of the definitive shows of the year

That may have been me touting the 10/29/77 - I still consider it THE best show of 1977. Crazy good setlists with Might As Well and Let It Grow bookending set 1, and a long, amazing second set. Not in the vault :( Howard Weiner in his book "1977 Terrapin Nation" calls the 10/29/77 Eyes of the World "run of the mill". I'm guessing from his choices of "best versions" that he prefers the faster "Eyes". My favs are 9/3/77, 10/29/77 because they are so chill and jazzy. My list and his don't gybe (not "jive" - pet peeve #987). Weiner's book is a good read, by the way. Highly recommended. I disagree with a lot of his points, which is why I like it.

I have heard this same story from several different sources by now.. and I read it on the Internet. I think that makes this a true story, its a matter of facts. As for Bobby "The Lorax" Weir.. I was checking out the second set at Bonnarro on YouTube. A little down the page someone says it looks like Bob just got out of bed. Here is one posters response, "He did just roll out of bed, and forgot to get dressed. I also think he looks like a homeless dude here in Seattle. But ya gotta love the guy...."

Cow skull...Needs more cow skull.

getting older means not having to give a fnck also when you got your finances in order. I have contributed to his 401K plenty over the years.

Reminds me of my favorite biker helmet sticker........ D I L L I G A F meaning: Do I look like I give a fubk

I embrace the term Deadhead. The term Head to me always signified one who gets high. First got high on LSD and became an acidhead in the summer of 1966. The next day I first got high on pot and became a pothead. Then in 1967 I got high on the Grateful Dead. And the alliteration just rolls off the tongue.

ended up with extra box set --- looking to get rid of one at a discount! let me know.

Don't really know if I'm a Deadhead or Deadfreak. All I know is that I am a music lover who finds the music of the Dead and Little Feat to be the finest. My wife and I are off to see Dead and Co next week with my son and his fiance in Bristow, VA. If it is as good as the Bonnaroo show a real good time should be had by all! A lot of seats remain for the show as of tonight. I'm finally up to the 1995 Thirty Trips show and enjoying the 1978 shows quite a lot. We recently revisited the 6/10/73 RFK show - what a gem! Take care...

I call myself a Dead Head, but I think of myself more along the lines of Dead Freak. What's in a name? Well for one, everyone thinks I'm a pot head because I listen to the Dead - no escaping that, no matter what I call myself - the Dead just have that reputation outside of our circle. Keithfan that was soooooo funny I laughed real loud at work and had to make a lame excuse. Did the title come from Indiana Jones quote? Thin, I read Terrapin Nation, and honestly thought it was a cheap effort. I say that because he selectively covered shows and songs, rather than provide a thorough review. I felt like I was reading an amateur writer who only knew about half of the material of 1977, and dismissed the rest as being unworthy, when it seemed more like it was just unfamiliar to him. Maybe I'm wrong, just giving my impressions. I also didn't agree much with his take on Cornell, specifically what he said about how it would have made the ultimate 1977 live record, and he talked up Scarlet / Fire as being a much better performance than I think it truly is, compared to other '77 versions (5/13, 5/17, 5/21, 5/25). I'm not pointing this out to split hairs over this wonderful piece, but rather to demonstrate that he seemed to pick the "popular" picks, and not really provide any comparative analysis with the lesser known shows. Just seemed like he was out to make a buck and offer less analysis than some of the great reviews I read here (including yours Thin!).

I have never been a fan of the whole skull motif, craving Dead shirts that have something artistic and discreet. What's with the skulls??? Reminds me of this Monty Python-ish british sketch about Nazis suddenly realizing they are the bad guys because they have skulls everywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU "Why Skulls?" indeed As for Weiner's book, I hear ya, LoveJerry - his opinions and mine varied greatly on a number of topics, and I wished he'd fleshed out the show commentaries a little more - a la Compendium. But I appreciate his point of view and ramblin' style. It was like a full book of, well, this chatroom (or what is this called???). I'm always interested to find out what nuggets other people highlight, even if I disagree.

Pretty funny.. I guess we are the baddies.

Wow, Lots of new weird stuff, they are not going to take away our archive are they? The Dead group will be in Camden the 20th. For a mediocre seat, they are 95 bucks. I don't have scratch. Guess that I will have to get one of my favorite shows and go park where that record store used to be in New Hope, and blast the show in my car with a couple of skeleton and Skull decals on my car.

I guess I should have mentioned that it wasn't a complete dud, as (like you) I enjoyed reading up on another's opinion of these shows. I just wished I'd borrowed instead of bought:) Okay, any humerous posts Thin? JimInMD? Keithfan? I need more laughs today. How about another round table with Bobby, Phil, Doc, & DL? This time on DaP 19 selection!

I have been a long time Ryan Adams fan, and there is a TON to dig into, if you are looking to do so. I will say that he, much like the aforementioned Mr. S. King, may need a better editor, as both put out some stuff that makes you go hmmm???? However, 'Heartbreaker' and 'Gold' will always have very special places in my heart, and Adams has said that he intended to make 'Cold Roses' like a Dead record, (just look at the artwork) - in fact, the song 'Rosebud' is a name check of Jerry's guitar. @ AngryJack Re: Dead and Co. - I agree with you 100%. I don't want to bum anyone out who is excited to go and see them, but just the little taste I got before MUATM left me cold. The technical is there, but the spirit is missing. I don't think John Mayer has whatever "it" is, though his intentions are good. I would rather see DSO, if I am going to see a Dead cover band. Just this guy's opinion - I hope all of you going to the shows enjoy the heck outta them! (I am also bitter that they are playing Jiffy Lube Live, formerly Nissan Pavilion, which is my least favorite of all the 'Summer Sheds' I have ever been to, but that's just nitpicky...)

No fear, the archive is back up and running.. Apparently it was hacked by the Russian Government. 5/7/77 and 5/9/77 have been leaked to Gawker.com. Putin is a big fan of 1977 Grateful Dead and visits this forum regularly under a pseudonym. Go figure.

Whichever one they pick it's going to include "Alabama Getaway" Today's road trip music will be... 6.26.88 :) Depending on traffic maybe sneak in a little of 5.23.82 :) Mickey and Billy f%cking Rock !!

Just want to chime in that Ryan Adams is fantastic. Has a few duds here and there, but just a ton of great songwriting and music. Here's one from archive (the first thing I checked this AM, thank god it's working), Phil joins him for a Wharfrat/Birdsong close to the show. https://archive.org/details/ryanadams2005-06-16.flac16

Exactly my point on Dead & Company. The music meanders aimlessly and simply never grabs me. I hope everyone who is attending enjoys it, but I won't be going. All this Ryan Adams talk has got me listening quite a bit to him again. Really good stuff. Too bad about the Russians and 5/7/77. I was listening to that show on the commute this morning and forgot how great it is. The Mingleweir is simply ferocious.

Box #3894 finally find his home in thenorthern part of Germany. Delay was caused by costumers who had it more than 14 days in stock. Additional taxes paid: EUR 21,60. All CDs are in their pockets, everything looks fine at the moment. Will sort out the music later. Gar-see-ya JJ

Are we talking Summer of '69 Ryan Adams, or a new, more recent guy with the same name? What is everyone's thought on DaP 18 from the Orpheum vs 7/8/78? I prefer the '76 show, which surprises me, as I've always preferred '78 shows over '76. I chose the Red Rocks show as the base of comparison, because I regard it as the best show of the lot. What it is about the '76 show that I like, is that it captures a fantastic and rare sound for the Dead, with Jerry's guitar sound, the unusual for '76 jamming, the stand-out performances of several classics (Comes A Time, Johnny B. Goode, One More Saturday Night all vie for best ever in my book), and the stellar performances of songs like Playing, Eyes, GDTRFB (oh boy!), and Mississippi Half-Step. Red Rocks is great too, just not as unique and therefore not as exciting to me.

LoveJerry...you might have your first names slightly confused! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f06QZCVUHg Oh and I'm a full-on '76 lover too. It's a close tie between these 78 shows and the recent DaP...I think it most often depends on my mood - am I looking for a wild and crazy over-the-top energetic show, or am I looking for a little mellower vibe....moods dictate! Sixtus

I've not yet opened my 78 box, because DP31 and DaP18 and various 72 europe shows been in my rotation. So far i really dig the 72 of course. DaP 18 I play often in background and the this release really highlights the keith's playing, both he and the piano are really amped at times in DaP18. I guess I prefer the 72-73 keith, because on DaP18 it even gets ragtimy. Bonus disk and second disc less so but the other two are probably the most piano frenzied dead in my collection.