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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • #2001
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    The last was the worst. Here's why...

    When I think of the vast amount of Dead shows I attended (5), I would say the last one, on 11/1/90 was the worst. The previous night seemed great musically, but I had argued with my girlfriend, we left the show early and she had gone home in a huff. To make sure of a better night on 1st, I ate a fist full of mushrooms before leaving the hotel. And got lost on the way to the show. The London Underground during rush hour is not the ideal place to trip.

    But anyway, despite getting lost, I still managed to arrive at Wembley before the show started. I was up in the balcony, to the right of the stage where the keyboards were. When the band came on, and started playing I couldn't believe how bad it sounded. All I could hear was Bruce's piano and one drummer. I charged downstairs, and demanded to be let into the stalls, as the sound wasn't carrying upstairs. I was easily rebuffed by the bouncers and went back to my seat having narrowly avoided a good, and much deserved, kicking. The man next to me shared a smoke.... and everything slid back into focus. The music I enjoyed best that night was drums and space. This despite the fact that Dark Star was played.

    So that was the worst show I saw. But it was me that made it so.

  • #2002
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    Worst Show

    10/09/94
    USAir Arena - Landover, MD

    It's no secret I have a love/hate relationship with Crapitol Centre, except there is no love. Unless you have AAA++ seats the shape of the building is just terrible for indoor acoustics.

    In truth, the soundboard sounds better than what I remembered.. I was there with my finance at the time and I just don't have a good memory of the (last) Comes a Time, which is odd because I love that tune. I was either too busy babysitting a first timer through her first show (and another friend) or there is the possibility we left early, but I don't ever remember leaving a dead show early.

    I hadn't seen a show since View from the Vault II, the 91 RFK show.. so it had been a while.

    So there it is.. a C- effort with a couple high points and Jerry just looked and sounded terrible for the beginning of the second set. Still had an ok time, a bad day with the dead always beats a good day in the office.

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    back to great, great Grateful Dead

    6/8/80: first set starts with UJB > Playin' > UJB :)))

    I am almost through the first set (it has another surprise in it); I am of course looking forward to the second set.

    6/23/74: oooohhhh, yeah....

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    only show I would call "bad" was 6/25/94

    Las Vegas in late June = HOT _AF_. I was sooooo happy to return to Seattle after that.

    The heat made enjoying the show almost impossible. And the performance was just blah.

    I do remember seeing the moon rise, and a plane flew "through" it. I don't think that's a false memory...

    8/21/93, 8/22/93, 6/17/94, 6/19/94, 6/26/94 (on cassette), 5/24/95, 5/25/95, and 5/26/95 are/were all excellent, so I can let 6/25/94 go.

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    never

    saw a bad dead show. Both 94 and 95 shows I saw were excellent, even the one where we all got tear gassed, it was still a great show.

  • #2006
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    Foxboro 7/4/87 & Highgate 95 were the bookends of my live shows

    7/4/87 was my first show - I worked as a stagehand. I loved the time and technology the band used to set up for the show. I had worked a lot of shows, mostly at Umass, but there was nothing like a GD show. When we built the stage, the staging towers used by the PA and light truss were isolated from the main stage. When they set the audio, they spent a considerable amount of time getting it just right. When the band (minus Dylan) performed the sound check they kept practicing and practicing Knockin'. The show got delayed while Dylan sat in the back of his limo in the backstage area. I loved the show and years later, listening to the archive or a tape, I realized it was not up to par to some of my favorite shows I saw.

    My next shows after this was the pair up at Oxford ME, which were intense and wonderful.

    But going to Highgate 95 was the epitome of a bad show, bad scene - I knew it was the end, but it did not stop me from doing Mailorder for the Fall run at the Gahden. We got our Mailorder tix the day Jerry died...

  • #2007
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    I hope my post

    was not misinterpreted. It seems have have initiated a discussion on worst shows. That was not my intent. It was simply a glimpse back to that portion of my life. Turns out I went to both RFK shows in 95. I spent the last 20 years thinking I only went to the first night and that Black Muddy River was the last song I ever saw. Go figure. Brokedown Palace as an encore in my first and last show.

    I saw plenty of bad shows, but always had a good time. Well mostly. 7/4/87 was one of the worst, but also the most fun.

    To paraphrase Jimmy Buffett:

    Some of it's magic
    Some of it's tragic
    But I had a good time all the way

  • #2008
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    re: Glutton

    ...since you're compiling, you can put me down for that Highgate '95 show. Although I was shrooming pretty good, so I didn't realize the $hit that went down until the next day.

    That was the night my brother and I had no car to sleep in, so we huddled literally on the cold Vermont Parking Lot ground with merely a bedsheet to share, as the entire parking lot was like gridlock.

    Despite this show getting panned by most, I still never had a bad time at a Dead Show. I consider myself lucky to have been there at all, in consideration of the monumentally tiny sliver of time this Band was on this Earth actually playing all together. What are the odds of that? Truly a revelation.

    Sixtus

  • #2009
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    Glutton for punishment....

    ....I'm writing down everyone's worst shows attended to listen to at a later time. Should be.....interesting?

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    Worst first set

    Red Rocks, 8-30-78... as I learned later, between July and August, after the heady shows of July 7/8, they recorded Shakedown Street, returned to the Rocks and completely bombed in the first set. They cut it short, took a longish break and after presumably making mental adjustments, returned to deliver a decent second set.

    Perhaps after the July shows, everyone including the band thought you could just show up at the Rocks and magic would happen. It's a classic reminder that no performer is immune to a bad night or a weak start.

    But between '78 and I think '87, I caught every GD show at the Rocks (it's 20 minutes from my house). And I think the level of performance tapered off in the '84-'85 period, but they never just blew a set like good old 8-30-78.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

Would be the next best thing from 1980 (and probably the best possible), as, alas, I think the masters from the Warfield/RCMH are no more.

6/20 & 6/21 were mainstays of my tape collection.

Plus, as I love Althea, 1980 shows are always welcome. Some real interesting lists, too.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 05/29/2020 - 19:22

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The Utica show has the WRS intro into DS. I actually just got to it. I had to put my headphones on backwards because Jerry's on the right and Keith is on the left on my copy of this show. It was driving me bananas. It's like Closing of Winterland - backwards.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 03:40

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Checked out the setlist to Utica and realized they also did the WRS Prelude into Dark Star a week later in Springfield. I wonder how many other times they tried that. Anyway, isn't that the 'Scooby Doo house' show? DaP 16? :-) Maybe I'll try and give that one a spin today.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 04:01

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...Ithica 73’, Excellent show, thank you for sharing! Love the ‘Box Of Rain’ , Phil is just amazing as usual but performed with such beauty it instantly made me Smile Smole SMILE!
I have a log cabin in Delhi, NY, that’s where I used for “Homebase while on tour in the cat skills NY right along the Delaware river! Beautiful! 🙏❤️💀🌹
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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 04:20

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..hello Dave , check to see if the “Police” LP I sent you. It was sealed when I sent it to you, Did you happen to open it a give it a spin on your record setup?

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Submitted by Mind-Left-Body on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 05:07

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A name blocker feature would a nice feature for this site.

I heard Dave's 30 again after a few months rest. With the exclusion of the Dark Star medley and The Other Ones does anyone else find the performances lower caliber than other 1970 shows that they released? The sound is great. They don't sound so "tight" as usual. More missed lyrics than usual. Both UJBs are mediocre sounding. They just sound a little less mind blowing than typical 1970.

No, I am sorry to say I never did open it. It was nice of you to send it, but I never cared much for them back in the day. Maybe I should give it a spin. Although there are a heck of a lot of other things on my playlist !

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Submitted by pkb on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 06:03

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I love those shows. It’s funny hearing it may be officially released when that trip was spoken about in Billy’s book.

“As for the three-nighter in Anchorage, the only thing I remember about those shows is that they were in a high school gymnasium which, believe it or not, is not the ideal place for a rock concert. For one thing, the room was sonically unsound — it was one big echo chamber. There was nothing to soak up the sound and the back wall was terribly close to the stage. Every time I hit the drum, I’d get a report back. Every beat bounced back. With two drummers going full-throttle, it was an acoustical nightmare. All told, those gigs couldn’t have been that great.”

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 06:07

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I actually enjoy the release. Yup, it’s a bit more mellow than most 70 shows. The Dark Star and Alligator are the highlights for me. I certainly like the release a lot more than DaP 10 from a few weeks earlier.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 07:11

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Big fan of that release as well. Carving out the DS suite.. well, many of these releases have a segment that makes the release, leaving the rest less remarkable. I agree, there is enough other stuff that pulls this one along nicely. Hard to Handle and Mason's Children come to mind, the Bonus Disc is a nice add. In fact.. it's due for a refresher listen.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 07:56

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXcaeyarPY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3B99…

... Here’s a little something that’s extra special for this grateful Saturday in A grateful gift for all,
I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do!
Wow I just noticed it was my anniversary yesterday, April 29th, I became a member & poster after being on the sidelines enjoying everyone’s contributions to this grateful forum/ Grateful Dead Website! I’m still grateful to still be apart of this beautiful group of members! Thank you all for being you! Peace be with you all! Be kind be safe! 🙏❤️💀🌹
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXcaeyarPY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3B99…

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 08:51

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I agree the UJBs are not 5 star.... trying to think of what's left once you take away the Dark Star medley and The Oher One x2. I like the fact that Midnight Hour is on it, albeit a bit slower than the Ladies & Gentlemen version, which is my personal favorite. Also a fan of Alligator. For the most part though, I have not given the rest of the songs on DaP 30 a close enough listen to weigh in. Maybe time for a refresher here too.

As far as 1970 releases go, I listen to the High In Hawaii Dave's Pick quite a bit. That being said, the release has a whole disk 3 full of bonus tracks from the next night, half of which I tacked on to the front of the main show; so I basically cheated and made one big show out of it. I also removed Yellow Dog Story and the Casey Jones that got cut short after a minute (that drove me nuts). The performances on this one are all rock solid, although Dark Star is not all that interesting to me. Has the only Feedback I like.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 10:34

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... just thought I post this in case anyone is interested in this release from the legendary grateful dead dicks pick series!
Available July 10th
Heres one place;
https://www.amazon.com/Dicks-Picks-Oakland-Coliseum-Arena/dp/B007ZIMB1G…
...being a late era dead performance, IMO, Jerry is just Amazing on this release and the bonus tracks are a grateful Treat for fans!
Rock on! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 10:47

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...we need em living in a world where the police murdered a man, and their defense is he wasn’t healthy enough to be strangled for 9 minutes....like if he didn’t have underlying health issues being strangled for 9 minutes for doing nothing would of been otherwise ok? WTF is wrong with people?
Yeah, keep the love train running folks as someone has to put some positive energy out there to balance out the darkness. Funny, some things never change...”the futures here, we are it, we are on our own”

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 11:05

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Funny, I was thinking similar thoughts as I was listening to the 1971 album What's Going On by Marvin Gaye yesterday. Time moves on, but humans repeat the same cycles in a generational march, with each generation thinking the next is the end of civilization as we know it. Time moves on, but humans stay human and humanity contains the darkness and the light, the evil and the good. But for right now, I'm just spinning the DaP 34 bonus disc and diggin' that PITB while marveling at the annual Ponderosa Pine pollen dump - nothing like wondering why your nose and throat are irritated and walking out to see every surface covered in a layer of fine, yellow pollen thick enough to scrape into little yellow piles. In the wind sometimes it looks like smoke billowing off the pines.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 11:06

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I hope Real Gone Music will start releasing the Dave's Picks series after they are done putting out the Road Trip series.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 11:39

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look what's happening out in the street....we can't seem to answer those questions we asked out mothers so long ago..... why is there war? why do people kill? why can't we be free? if only we had a president that helped and healed instead of....what we got now.
Last five:
Ziggy stardust
Axis bold as love
disraeli gears
Led Zeppelin II
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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 12:00

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I'm guessing that the Dave's Picks series is off limits due to the limited edition situation. Wouldn't bother me a bit if Real Gone released them, but I suspect not everyone would feel that way.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 12:16

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....I'm embarrassed for my fellow Americans. Protesting is one thing....when I get confused, I listen to the music play. That being said, I've been listening to a lot of music recently. Fact. 80% of the "protesters" in Minneapolis aren't from Minneapolis. I call them opportunists.
Be safe deadvikes.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 12:21

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Yup, same here...I lose it on the mornings I go out and realize I now have a yellow Forester

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 12:42

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Forgot about that SpaceX launch till I saw your post Nappyrags. First launch of NASA astronauts into space from US soil since 2011.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 12:56

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....was unfortunately buried under all the news about assholes.
Been digging on Dylan a lot recently.
Last five.
Bob Dylan - Travelin' Through Bootleg Vol 15
UB40 - Labour Of Love II
GOGD - 3.17.68
GOGD - 6.14.76
Metallica - Master Of Puppets

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 13:21

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Giving another listen to DaP 30 after reading the recent ambivalent comments about that one. Just started disc 1, but at this point Black Peter is hitting the spot. That Hard To Handle is no slouch either.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 13:29

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....High-Lie Bonus Disc. I need this. One could analyze this PITB for ages, as I'm sure some have already. Its a keeper.
I'll just put Mr. Floyd as my avatar here as my version of a protest.

i’m honored to be part of this beautiful community/mega brain dead head place to be wishing everyone a grateful day today can you listen to music play it’ll get you through the day just can’t wait to see you tomorrow

*I have just watched a repeat of the documentary "Rock N' Roll America", which was shown as a tribute to Little Richard, according to the paper. Its a great programme, and stresses repeatedly how rock n' roll helped break down racial barriers, as white kids got turned on by Little Richard, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry etc, and Sun records recorded so many fantastic records by black and white musicians. Proof positive that real rock n' roll comes from the right place, and is needed now as much as ever. It will take more than rock n' roll, of course, but I thought the point was worth making.

I started watching View From the Vaults earlier today, 6/14/91. and it is fascinating. Its years since I have watched a film of the band this late in their career. They take a while to warm up, that's for sure. Initially, it seems there are just too many people on stage to play such stylistically simple music...Big River, Wang Dang Doodle, Maggies Farm being the worst offenders. Too many people, with too much electronic equipment. Then it all coalesces during Row Jimmy, and the rest of the first set is really good. I'm not keen on Bob Weirs guitar tone, but what he plays is pretty good, and Bruce's playing is sparkling. I'm not sure about Vince's contributions. Jerry is great when he can push through to the front. Second set starts well, too, with Help-Slipknot-Franklins.
Last 5, while I'm here -
Its Hotter in Hawaii Various -comp of Hawaiian music from the late 1920s-1930s.
Speciality Sessions CD2 Little Richard
Roll and Tumble Blues Various - comp of blues slide guitar
Road Trips - the one with 6/16/74 included
Young Americans David Bowie. My least favourite Bowie album from the 70s, as it goes.

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Submitted by LedDed on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 16:12

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I've been binge-listening to Dick's Vol. 20 for the last 48 hours. I really love this show and I don't think it gets the attention it deserves.

Strange times we are living in keep getting stranger. Makes me "feel like a stranger." And before anyone carries on about how they don't come here to hear anyone talk about anything other than Dead music, I'm fine with it as long as folks refrain from attacking each other personally... er, with words. You know.

I spent my youth avoiding cops and trying not to get busted, mostly for drug-related offenses. I did some stupid shit and I was lucky to get away with almost all of it. As I have gotten older, and now that weed is legal here, I appreciate that there are cops of every race out there tonight putting their lives on the line to protect us and our way of life. One bad apple does not ruin the whole bunch. May they stay safe, use sound judgement, and prosper.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 17:18

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DAVEROCK/6/14/91: well said my good man. All that was true and often the case, so nice read for someone who doesn’t normally listen to that era!

CHARLIE/VGUY: nice posts! And take that sweeeeettt High Lie bonus playing and do with it what Mickey said after Fare Thee well...put it in your heart, and hang onto it, and take it back out into the world.
EDIT: at a safe distance of course!

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 17:28

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Both shows or 1 of the 2 LedDed? I haven't listened to that one in years . Nice preemptive shoosh.

MLB I hear you on some of the warts on DaP 30. Great stuff though anyway. I wouldn't throw it back in. It prompted today to be 1970 day for me. Speaking of which, KF doesn't switching the song order bother you when they start tuning up for one tune and then play something else?

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 17:38

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All the electronic gadgetry ( and the presence of Mickey Hart ) makes sense when we get to drums and space. Excellent Estimated Prophet, too, though...sorry to pick on Vince again... .. why make your keyboard sound like a sax? It seemed to be a bit of a thing for the Dead in the 90s, making your instrument sound like a different one. Seems very gimmicky now.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 18:17

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As much as I USED to like to slag Vince;
1) as I’ve watched some of those videos over the years I’ve realized he could play and sing well, but like some of the other non-core members, they always seemed to push them into lead role/front man status, and imho that’s where the problem might be. Though sometimes he did look not very engaged.....and I don’t think I’ll ever have an affinity for long, long, long, long, long, long, long long, long, way to go home.....sorry...but I HAVE learned to appreciate some of his contributions. You wouldn’t think Jerry would of signed off if the guy couldn’t play.
2) Bob Bralove supposedly picked many of his sounds and Vince supposedly didn’t often have much control over any of it.
No I’ve really learned to appreciate some 91 and 92 shows. But whenever they had a big band it definetly could take more time to get the train rolling etc. prolly why I love late 71-74 so much. Lean mean Improvisational Jazz machine!
But as you’ve mentioned, once that big 91 train got rolling, look out! Whoo whoo!

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 21:10

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Electronic gimmickry. Exactly. Leave that to U2.

I have been saying that for years. Whether it’s Vince’s keyboards sounding like a saxophone or Garcia’s guitar sounding like a trumpet, none of it interests me. If I don’t see the actual instrument on stage, I don’t want to hear it.

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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 23:17

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Does your way of life say that it's ok or normal to repeatedly kill innocent people for nothing? Yes? Then I guess they are protecting your way of life.
Fucking disgusting...
"and now that weed is legal here"=now that I'm not on their radar....better them than me.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 01:53

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...wake up music picked by the crew aboard the shuttle just woke up the crew with their pick Of music to play which has been a NASA tradition since Gemini I believe. They chose a ,“Black Sabbath “! Song! Guess what song it was?! Very cool! The tune? "Planet Caravan" by ‘Black Sabbath’!
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rfXkfeGi5k
* Behnken and Hurley are apparently big rock fans! Safe Journey my brothers!🙏❤️😎
*Also check out this ‘amazing Jam & ‘legendary line-up (musicians)! Love this !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48UcXX3FAwI
** Legendary blues guitarist BB King performs jams with very special guests Slash (Guns n Roses), Derek Trucks (The Allman Brothers), Susan Tedeschi, Mick Hucknall (Simply Red) and Ronnie Wood (Faces) live at the Royal Albert Hall.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 02:21

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I try not to comment on politics since my own country is currently being run by a group of incompetents. However, in posts below a comment was made that one bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch. That is exactly what happens unless you have procedures in place to remove the bad apples from the others. Those procedures need to identify and remove these bad apples, preferably before they infect the others (or kill someone). It is also necessary to ensure the bad apples aren’t able to just rejoin as police officers, something that can happen at the moment since sacking someone from the force doesn’t prevent them from rejoining.
Another poster said it was a fact that 80% of the protestors in Minneapolis were not from the area. I have no idea if this is correct but I have to ask where does this fact come from? It seems unlikely that the entire population of protesters were identified and while it is possible that a statistically significant, random, selection of protesters may have been canvassed about their origins I doubt it since the data would have had to be collected and interpreted in a very short time in very difficult conditions. I could imagine that the police might have the information on those protestors that they detained/arrested but this would not be a random group since they have, presumably, been picked out because of some anti-social/illegal behaviour.
Whatever, Stay safe and remember questioning the actions of your government is not unpatriotic. Let’s try not to go to hell in a bucket.
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Let pass my weary guiltless ghost - Magnus Granberg
Stimmung - Stockhausen
Live at Temple University - John Coltrane
Sunflower - Tom Rapp
Wrath of the math - Jeru the damaja

If one man commits murder while three of his colleagues stand by watching, it might be a good idea to review the whole system, as well as the individuals concerned.
Maybe I should also say, I am not for a minute forgetting the injustices evident in British society. We all have along way to go.

Stockhausen....there's a name to conjure with! His short electronic composition "Gesang De Junglinge" still sounds shocking today. I saw him live once, too. It was strange , as you might expect. He gave a short speech, which was so offensive he got booed off. They then dimmed the lights, we were advised to close our eyes, and it seemed as though they played the L.P of "Hymnen" in quadraphonic sound. Afterwards, there was an apology read out over the system, as apparently one of the speakers hadn't been switched on! You would never have known.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 06:22

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old man get some soldiers, keep them close at hand
the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land
guard yourself most carefully with military might
for plants that cannot bloom by day must flower in the night

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Volunteers

history shows this is not going to end well

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 07:54

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There's an old war saying, "first results from the field" are often wrong.

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/jail-records-show-minneapoli…

Available data is showing in excess of 80% of the people in these protests are in-state residents. Those first reporting that 80% were from out of state are not proving to be correct and several redactions have been made from those first reporting these numbers. Most appear to be in city (Minneapolis).

I am not rushing to judgement on either side I doubt if I will. This is a complex and nuanced topic. Be careful, be kind be considerate.

Have a peaceful day out there folks. So much trouble in the world.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 08:52

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I like your new avatar / picture. The illustration is funny and the colors are cool.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 09:16

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...Oh Yeah, two wrongs don't make a right. So maybe, condemning the police who killed George Floyd really doesn't justify destroying the property, livelihood, and possibly the lives of innocent people who didn't kill anyone. If you feel it is justified, then I have to ask if you are volunteering your property and safety for destruction by a mob of angry people who want to inflict pain on you to remedy an injustice in which you did not participate or condone. Should each group riot and destroy when a member of their group is killed or injured by another? Is that really the path to harmony or is that just the retrograde idea of a blood feud coming back into vogue?

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