Dave’s Picks Volume 34: Jai Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/23/74

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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April 30, 2020 - 1:08pm

#1841

simonrob

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Europe '72 Dark Stars...

5/11/1972 Rotterdam is one of my all time favourites.
5/7/1972 Bickershaw was the one I was fortunate enough to to witness.
April 30, 2020 - 12:51pm

#1842

Sixtus_

Joined:
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Ok, All This Talk

...about Europe '72 Dark Stars. It's time to share this one again. I amassed detailed listens to all of them a few years back as I awaited Boxzilla:

4/8/1972 - Wembly Empire Pool, London - 32 mins; intense/fast paced first leg up til about 10 mins then returns to DS theme for 1st verse; spacey post-verse til ~17 min, then pace picks up for a few minutes, followed by a brief meltdown; additional spaciness around 24 mins followed by another full meltdown; interesting groove established around 28 min that has hints of Sugar Mag (into which it segues, flawlessly). No second verse.

4/14/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 29 mins; loose first 10 mins not overly spacey; gets spacey around 11 mins; interesting groove establishes around 16 min to head into first verse w/interesting beat; heads off into intense nearly 7-minute jam inclusive of a very tight and fast Feelin Groovy jam; final 3 minutes are a meltdown. No second verse.

4/17/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 31 mins; spacey opening to about 7:30 when first DS theme emerges leading to 1st verse at 9:45. Spacey post-2nd verse tries to take off but melts further around 19 min; returns to a partial groove around 24:30 and closes out with spaceyness in the last 2 mins. No second verse.

4/24/1972 - Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf, Germany - Split by Me & My Uncle; 26 mins 1st half, 14:30 second half. Spacey opening until about 8:45 where it coalesces and falls into first DS theme around 10:15 followed shortly by 1st verse with slow, sparse notes. Spacey feedback following verse until 15:45 and then picks up into an intense, fast paced jam for just under 2 minutes before it becomes dissonant again leading to major meltdown which eventually heads into Me & My Uncle with ease. Second half: spacey reintroduction persists until about 7 mins, where Keith leads-in with some piano phrasing and then the band follows into a tight fast paced jam where Jerry plays some lines back and forth as if in conversation with himself and then maintains an intense level effortlessly segueing into Wharf Rat. No second verse.

4/29/1972 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Denmark - 30 mins; spacey opening for ~5 mins, then enters a groove and Phil hints at the Feeling Groovy jam until it finally is joined by Jerry a minute later until about 8:00, then the floor drops out into space. DS theme appears at 14 min which leads to first verse. Spacey post-verse noodling leads to major meltdown, settling in at 22 mins with a fat, fast-paced Keith-led groove. Final 4 mins are spacey & lead to major melt #2, dropping into Sugar Mag as DS finally melts away. No second verse.

5/4/1972 - Olympia Theatre, Paris - Split by drums; 19 mins 1st half; 17:34 2nd half. Spacey opening til about 6 mins when fast paced jam kicks in until 11:20, slowing down then resurrecting the DS theme into the first verse. 4 mins of space leads into drums. Second half post-drums is very spacey until 7 mins, then kicks into overdrive with a very high energy jam leading to a phenominal Feelin Groovy Jam for several minutes before settling into the second verse. DS dissipates into the Sugar Mag from E'72.

5/7/1972 - Bickershaw Festival, Wigan, UK - 19:49 mins; decent, coherent jamming for the first several minutes that congeals nicely around 8 minutes. Bottom falls out around 10 mins and leads to some light noodling, cymbal fills and space. DS theme emerges at 14:23 and heads into 1st verse. Space fills the air through the remainder of the song until it totally breaks down into drums. No second verse.

5/11/1972 - Rotterdam Civic Hall, Netherlands - Split by drums; 13:45 mins 1st half; 30:34 mins 2nd half; Opens with a light, airy jam that persists to congeal into a decent groove as it treads in and out of spacey phrasing. This settles into a mysterious sounding jam that grows with intensity without a return to the DS theme before dissolving into drums. Emerging from drums, Phil and Billy duel for 2 minutes before Jerry joins back in with some complimentary thoughts; the DS theme appears around 5 min followed by 1st verse. A few moments of spacey feedback give way to spacey noodling that devolves into a full blow chaotic meltdown, only to emerge around 19:30 into a very nice, fast paced groove that hints at Caution and PITB jams. This eventually dissolves and a light, sparse outro ends the song as it heads off into Sugar Mag. No second verse.

5/18/1972 - Kongressaal, Muenchen, Denmark - 28:20 mins; almost 2 mins of noodling before opening notes from Phil; a loose jam ensues around the DS theme for the next several minutes and then decays. At ~9 min an interesting jam emerges, which eventually settles back into the DS theme and 1st verse around 14:30. The remainder of this DS is borderline chaos as it treads in and out of varying degrees of a meltdown until it settles into Morning Dew. No second verse.

5/23/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 30 mins; Spacey opening minutes lead to tight fast paced jam commencing around 3:30 for two minutes and then it settles into another spacey jam digressing to almost…nothing. Billy and Phil then have a small duel until ~13:30 when the rest of the band fills back into a delicate groove which grows to into a jam reminiscent of the post-Truckin' foray from E'72 until about 17 mins, when they drop into the DS theme and 1st verse. Ensuing is additional delicate spaciness that transgresses into a frenzied meltdown madness, and eventually settles into Morning Dew. No second verse.

5/25/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 34 mins, out of Wharf Rat. Strong opening with a groove almost from the beginning, no noodling around here in the first 7 minutes. Then turns very spacey until 15 mins when DS theme appears, and heads off into 1st verse. Post-verse finds a Billy, Phil, and Keith duel for several minutes. At 21 mins, Phil institutes a mellow Feeling Groovy jam, soon joined by the rest of the band until ~25 mins. Final minutes are dominated by space and then a monumental meltdown before heading off into Sugar Mag. No second verse.

Final Verdict(s): It is a very close tie between 4/14 and the second half from 5/4. I put these on the pedestal due to the crazy, intense jams surrounding the Feelin Groovy sequences. They are just interstellar. Part of me also wanted to simply catalog which Dark Stars included a Feelin Groovy jam from the '72 trunk, so I feel my work is done and I can rest easy. I'd be delighted to hear if any others had similar, or more excitingly, differing thoughts.

Sixtus
April 30, 2020 - 12:12pm

#1843

farhansaqib444

Joined:
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Update about Corona April 2020

Nice overview about corona and I've found number about corona april 2020

http://www.careermalls.com/corona-live-update-april-2020-death-rate-liv…
April 30, 2020 - 11:43am

#1844

Dennis

Joined:
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Stoltz & Coworkers

To the coworker for whom without the rest of us would have no one to blame.

5-Branch - nice summing up on last paragraph about Dark Star, Denmark.
April 30, 2020 - 11:35am

#1845

stoltzfus

Joined:
January 13, 2010

some coworkers...

get on my FUCKING NERVES.

just had to say that.
April 30, 2020 - 11:35am

#1846

stoltzfus

Joined:
January 13, 2010

Rubber Bowl

or Bowl of Rubbers

just so easy
April 30, 2020 - 11:34am

#1847

stoltzfus

Joined:
January 13, 2010

Dark Star

the apex of GD
April 30, 2020 - 11:23am

#1848

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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4/14 Dark Star

In my journey through the entire E72 tour, that has been the one song that has moved up considerably on my "favorites" list. I somehow forgot how good it was. I've taken to listening again on the off nights.

One thing I find cool about this tour is the actual theaters in which the band played. I've spent a good deal of time this go-around reading more about the venues and looking at photos. Truly amazing places. That must have made the experience all the more special for those in attendance. They sure are nicer than the Rubber Bowl in Akron.

The other thing I find interesting is the location of the shows. Aside from Denmark and Munich, all the shows are heavily concentrated in the Northeast corner of Europe. It seems as though they could have spread out a bit more.
Hell, if you are going to play Munich and have five days off before your next show, you might as well play Salzburg.
April 30, 2020 - 11:02am

#1849

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Interludes of Chaos

For me, the chaotic interludes in Dark Stars just serve to make the return of the melody that much sweeter a release after the tension of the chaos. Sort of like that transition from slipping around in your own skin peaking to that sweet feeling afterglow for the last few hours, when it feels like your skin fits again and you recognize that person in the mirror.
April 30, 2020 - 10:34am

#1850

Deadheadbrewer

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10/16: LIG, Deal, and that second set!!

:-O

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

Alaska Box

Would be the next best thing from 1980 (and probably the best possible), as, alas, I think the masters from the Warfield/RCMH are no more.

6/20 & 6/21 were mainstays of my tape collection.

Plus, as I love Althea, 1980 shows are always welcome. Some real interesting lists, too.

3/21/73 Utica

Is that the one with the WRS Prelude into Dark Star or something like that?

-edit- Oh yes, it is and look at how long the sets are! Wow.

https://www.dead.net/show/march-21-1973

Yeah that's the one WilfredT

The Utica show has the WRS intro into DS. I actually just got to it. I had to put my headphones on backwards because Jerry's on the right and Keith is on the left on my copy of this show. It was driving me bananas. It's like Closing of Winterland - backwards.

Next daves...

Will be announced in july?

Anywhun knooooow?

Alaska 80?

Yes, please

DeKalb show

Eyes > Space > St. Stephen

WRS Prelude>Dark Star

Checked out the setlist to Utica and realized they also did the WRS Prelude into Dark Star a week later in Springfield. I wonder how many other times they tried that. Anyway, isn't that the 'Scooby Doo house' show? DaP 16? :-) Maybe I'll try and give that one a spin today.

*RE/ Dave’s Picks #35 in JULY, release August...

Ying yang, yes,Dave’s Picks ##35 is JULY & release August & in Time for Jerry Garcia Birthday...🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

*FE/ Ithica 73’ , excellent show!

...Ithica 73’, Excellent show, thank you for sharing! Love the ‘Box Of Rain’ , Phil is just amazing as usual but performed with such beauty it instantly made me Smile Smole SMILE!
I have a log cabin in Delhi, NY, that’s where I used for “Homebase while on tour in the cat skills NY right along the Delaware river! Beautiful! 🙏❤️💀🌹
https://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/03-21-1973

*RE/ Daverock & “u “ Shaped Record,LMAO

..hello Dave , check to see if the “Police” LP I sent you. It was sealed when I sent it to you, Did you happen to open it a give it a spin on your record setup?

Dave's 30 Fillmore East January 1970

A name blocker feature would a nice feature for this site.

I heard Dave's 30 again after a few months rest. With the exclusion of the Dark Star medley and The Other Ones does anyone else find the performances lower caliber than other 1970 shows that they released? The sound is great. They don't sound so "tight" as usual. More missed lyrics than usual. Both UJBs are mediocre sounding. They just sound a little less mind blowing than typical 1970.

The Police-LMG

No, I am sorry to say I never did open it. It was nice of you to send it, but I never cared much for them back in the day. Maybe I should give it a spin. Although there are a heck of a lot of other things on my playlist !

Alaska 80 Shows

I love those shows. It’s funny hearing it may be officially released when that trip was spoken about in Billy’s book.

“As for the three-nighter in Anchorage, the only thing I remember about those shows is that they were in a high school gymnasium which, believe it or not, is not the ideal place for a rock concert. For one thing, the room was sonically unsound — it was one big echo chamber. There was nothing to soak up the sound and the back wall was terribly close to the stage. Every time I hit the drum, I’d get a report back. Every beat bounced back. With two drummers going full-throttle, it was an acoustical nightmare. All told, those gigs couldn’t have been that great.”

DaP 30

I actually enjoy the release. Yup, it’s a bit more mellow than most 70 shows. The Dark Star and Alligator are the highlights for me. I certainly like the release a lot more than DaP 10 from a few weeks earlier.

DaP 30

Big fan of that release as well. Carving out the DS suite.. well, many of these releases have a segment that makes the release, leaving the rest less remarkable. I agree, there is enough other stuff that pulls this one along nicely. Hard to Handle and Mason's Children come to mind, the Bonus Disc is a nice add. In fact.. it's due for a refresher listen.

* Here’s a Gift for everyone, hope you enjoy the Show!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXcaeyarPY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3B99…

... Here’s a little something that’s extra special for this grateful Saturday in A grateful gift for all,
I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do!
Wow I just noticed it was my anniversary yesterday, April 29th, I became a member & poster after being on the sidelines enjoying everyone’s contributions to this grateful forum/ Grateful Dead Website! I’m still grateful to still be apart of this beautiful group of members! Thank you all for being you! Peace be with you all! Be kind be safe! 🙏❤️💀🌹
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXcaeyarPY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3B99…

Thank you for the positive vibes lmg

Always welcome in this life

Hmmm DaP 30

I agree the UJBs are not 5 star.... trying to think of what's left once you take away the Dark Star medley and The Oher One x2. I like the fact that Midnight Hour is on it, albeit a bit slower than the Ladies & Gentlemen version, which is my personal favorite. Also a fan of Alligator. For the most part though, I have not given the rest of the songs on DaP 30 a close enough listen to weigh in. Maybe time for a refresher here too.

As far as 1970 releases go, I listen to the High In Hawaii Dave's Pick quite a bit. That being said, the release has a whole disk 3 full of bonus tracks from the next night, half of which I tacked on to the front of the main show; so I basically cheated and made one big show out of it. I also removed Yellow Dog Story and the Casey Jones that got cut short after a minute (that drove me nuts). The performances on this one are all rock solid, although Dark Star is not all that interesting to me. Has the only Feedback I like.

*RE/ Dicks Picks 27

... just thought I post this in case anyone is interested in this release from the legendary grateful dead dicks pick series!
Available July 10th
Heres one place;
https://www.amazon.com/Dicks-Picks-Oakland-Coliseum-Arena/dp/B007ZIMB1G…
...being a late era dead performance, IMO, Jerry is just Amazing on this release and the bonus tracks are a grateful Treat for fans!
Rock on! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Thank goodness for the good vibes...

...we need em living in a world where the police murdered a man, and their defense is he wasn’t healthy enough to be strangled for 9 minutes....like if he didn’t have underlying health issues being strangled for 9 minutes for doing nothing would of been otherwise ok? WTF is wrong with people?
Yeah, keep the love train running folks as someone has to put some positive energy out there to balance out the darkness. Funny, some things never change...”the futures here, we are it, we are on our own”

Oro

Funny, I was thinking similar thoughts as I was listening to the 1971 album What's Going On by Marvin Gaye yesterday. Time moves on, but humans repeat the same cycles in a generational march, with each generation thinking the next is the end of civilization as we know it. Time moves on, but humans stay human and humanity contains the darkness and the light, the evil and the good. But for right now, I'm just spinning the DaP 34 bonus disc and diggin' that PITB while marveling at the annual Ponderosa Pine pollen dump - nothing like wondering why your nose and throat are irritated and walking out to see every surface covered in a layer of fine, yellow pollen thick enough to scrape into little yellow piles. In the wind sometimes it looks like smoke billowing off the pines.

Real Gone Music

I hope Real Gone Music will start releasing the Dave's Picks series after they are done putting out the Road Trip series.

for what it's worth

look what's happening out in the street....we can't seem to answer those questions we asked out mothers so long ago..... why is there war? why do people kill? why can't we be free? if only we had a president that helped and healed instead of....what we got now.
Last five:
Ziggy stardust
Axis bold as love
disraeli gears
Led Zeppelin II
Yellow submarine

Real Gone

I'm guessing that the Dave's Picks series is off limits due to the limited edition situation. Wouldn't bother me a bit if Real Gone released them, but I suspect not everyone would feel that way.

Current events....

....I'm embarrassed for my fellow Americans. Protesting is one thing....when I get confused, I listen to the music play. That being said, I've been listening to a lot of music recently. Fact. 80% of the "protesters" in Minneapolis aren't from Minneapolis. I call them opportunists.
Be safe deadvikes.

Ponderous Pollen...

Yup, same here...I lose it on the mornings I go out and realize I now have a yellow Forester

Go Go Go...we have lift off!

Dancing, Dancing in the streets....

....i really like that song, and concept.

That Is Cool

Forgot about that SpaceX launch till I saw your post Nappyrags. First launch of NASA astronauts into space from US soil since 2011.

The SpaceX launch news....

....was unfortunately buried under all the news about assholes.
Been digging on Dylan a lot recently.
Last five.
Bob Dylan - Travelin' Through Bootleg Vol 15
UB40 - Labour Of Love II
GOGD - 3.17.68
GOGD - 6.14.76
Metallica - Master Of Puppets

DaP 30

Giving another listen to DaP 30 after reading the recent ambivalent comments about that one. Just started disc 1, but at this point Black Peter is hitting the spot. That Hard To Handle is no slouch either.

Current listening....

....High-Lie Bonus Disc. I need this. One could analyze this PITB for ages, as I'm sure some have already. Its a keeper.
I'll just put Mr. Floyd as my avatar here as my version of a protest.

*RE/ Positive Vibes

i’m honored to be part of this beautiful community/mega brain dead head place to be wishing everyone a grateful day today can you listen to music play it’ll get you through the day just can’t wait to see you tomorrow

Well done, VGUY72.

*I have just watched a repeat of the documentary "Rock N' Roll America", which was shown as a tribute to Little Richard, according to the paper. Its a great programme, and stresses repeatedly how rock n' roll helped break down racial barriers, as white kids got turned on by Little Richard, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry etc, and Sun records recorded so many fantastic records by black and white musicians. Proof positive that real rock n' roll comes from the right place, and is needed now as much as ever. It will take more than rock n' roll, of course, but I thought the point was worth making.

I started watching View From the Vaults earlier today, 6/14/91. and it is fascinating. Its years since I have watched a film of the band this late in their career. They take a while to warm up, that's for sure. Initially, it seems there are just too many people on stage to play such stylistically simple music...Big River, Wang Dang Doodle, Maggies Farm being the worst offenders. Too many people, with too much electronic equipment. Then it all coalesces during Row Jimmy, and the rest of the first set is really good. I'm not keen on Bob Weirs guitar tone, but what he plays is pretty good, and Bruce's playing is sparkling. I'm not sure about Vince's contributions. Jerry is great when he can push through to the front. Second set starts well, too, with Help-Slipknot-Franklins.
Last 5, while I'm here -
Its Hotter in Hawaii Various -comp of Hawaiian music from the late 1920s-1930s.
Speciality Sessions CD2 Little Richard
Roll and Tumble Blues Various - comp of blues slide guitar
Road Trips - the one with 6/16/74 included
Young Americans David Bowie. My least favourite Bowie album from the 70s, as it goes.

Thanks Mr. Rock....

....or can I call you Dave?

Dick's Vol. 20

I've been binge-listening to Dick's Vol. 20 for the last 48 hours. I really love this show and I don't think it gets the attention it deserves.

Strange times we are living in keep getting stranger. Makes me "feel like a stranger." And before anyone carries on about how they don't come here to hear anyone talk about anything other than Dead music, I'm fine with it as long as folks refrain from attacking each other personally... er, with words. You know.

I spent my youth avoiding cops and trying not to get busted, mostly for drug-related offenses. I did some stupid shit and I was lucky to get away with almost all of it. As I have gotten older, and now that weed is legal here, I appreciate that there are cops of every race out there tonight putting their lives on the line to protect us and our way of life. One bad apple does not ruin the whole bunch. May they stay safe, use sound judgement, and prosper.

Kudos

DAVEROCK/6/14/91: well said my good man. All that was true and often the case, so nice read for someone who doesn’t normally listen to that era!

CHARLIE/VGUY: nice posts! And take that sweeeeettt High Lie bonus playing and do with it what Mickey said after Fare Thee well...put it in your heart, and hang onto it, and take it back out into the world.
EDIT: at a safe distance of course!

DP 20 and DaP 30

Both shows or 1 of the 2 LedDed? I haven't listened to that one in years . Nice preemptive shoosh.

MLB I hear you on some of the warts on DaP 30. Great stuff though anyway. I wouldn't throw it back in. It prompted today to be 1970 day for me. Speaking of which, KF doesn't switching the song order bother you when they start tuning up for one tune and then play something else?

it was four....

…"bad apples".

6/14/91 part 2

All the electronic gadgetry ( and the presence of Mickey Hart ) makes sense when we get to drums and space. Excellent Estimated Prophet, too, though...sorry to pick on Vince again... .. why make your keyboard sound like a sax? It seemed to be a bit of a thing for the Dead in the 90s, making your instrument sound like a different one. Seems very gimmicky now.

Daverock/Vince

As much as I USED to like to slag Vince;
1) as I’ve watched some of those videos over the years I’ve realized he could play and sing well, but like some of the other non-core members, they always seemed to push them into lead role/front man status, and imho that’s where the problem might be. Though sometimes he did look not very engaged.....and I don’t think I’ll ever have an affinity for long, long, long, long, long, long, long long, long, way to go home.....sorry...but I HAVE learned to appreciate some of his contributions. You wouldn’t think Jerry would of signed off if the guy couldn’t play.
2) Bob Bralove supposedly picked many of his sounds and Vince supposedly didn’t often have much control over any of it.
No I’ve really learned to appreciate some 91 and 92 shows. But whenever they had a big band it definetly could take more time to get the train rolling etc. prolly why I love late 71-74 so much. Lean mean Improvisational Jazz machine!
But as you’ve mentioned, once that big 91 train got rolling, look out! Whoo whoo!

Daverock

Electronic gimmickry. Exactly. Leave that to U2.

I have been saying that for years. Whether it’s Vince’s keyboards sounding like a saxophone or Garcia’s guitar sounding like a trumpet, none of it interests me. If I don’t see the actual instrument on stage, I don’t want to hear it.

Bad Apples...

Does your way of life say that it's ok or normal to repeatedly kill innocent people for nothing? Yes? Then I guess they are protecting your way of life.
Fucking disgusting...
"and now that weed is legal here"=now that I'm not on their radar....better them than me.

A grateful morning for space travel & music soundtrack

...wake up music picked by the crew aboard the shuttle just woke up the crew with their pick Of music to play which has been a NASA tradition since Gemini I believe. They chose a ,“Black Sabbath “! Song! Guess what song it was?! Very cool! The tune? "Planet Caravan" by ‘Black Sabbath’!
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rfXkfeGi5k
* Behnken and Hurley are apparently big rock fans! Safe Journey my brothers!🙏❤️😎
*Also check out this ‘amazing Jam & ‘legendary line-up (musicians)! Love this !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48UcXX3FAwI
** Legendary blues guitarist BB King performs jams with very special guests Slash (Guns n Roses), Derek Trucks (The Allman Brothers), Susan Tedeschi, Mick Hucknall (Simply Red) and Ronnie Wood (Faces) live at the Royal Albert Hall.

Bad apples and 80% with a side of music

I try not to comment on politics since my own country is currently being run by a group of incompetents. However, in posts below a comment was made that one bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch. That is exactly what happens unless you have procedures in place to remove the bad apples from the others. Those procedures need to identify and remove these bad apples, preferably before they infect the others (or kill someone). It is also necessary to ensure the bad apples aren’t able to just rejoin as police officers, something that can happen at the moment since sacking someone from the force doesn’t prevent them from rejoining.
Another poster said it was a fact that 80% of the protestors in Minneapolis were not from the area. I have no idea if this is correct but I have to ask where does this fact come from? It seems unlikely that the entire population of protesters were identified and while it is possible that a statistically significant, random, selection of protesters may have been canvassed about their origins I doubt it since the data would have had to be collected and interpreted in a very short time in very difficult conditions. I could imagine that the police might have the information on those protestors that they detained/arrested but this would not be a random group since they have, presumably, been picked out because of some anti-social/illegal behaviour.
Whatever, Stay safe and remember questioning the actions of your government is not unpatriotic. Let’s try not to go to hell in a bucket.
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Let pass my weary guiltless ghost - Magnus Granberg
Stimmung - Stockhausen
Live at Temple University - John Coltrane
Sunflower - Tom Rapp
Wrath of the math - Jeru the damaja

The Police ( and not the ones with Sting in)

If one man commits murder while three of his colleagues stand by watching, it might be a good idea to review the whole system, as well as the individuals concerned.
Maybe I should also say, I am not for a minute forgetting the injustices evident in British society. We all have along way to go.

Stockhausen....there's a name to conjure with! His short electronic composition "Gesang De Junglinge" still sounds shocking today. I saw him live once, too. It was strange , as you might expect. He gave a short speech, which was so offensive he got booed off. They then dimmed the lights, we were advised to close our eyes, and it seemed as though they played the L.P of "Hymnen" in quadraphonic sound. Afterwards, there was an apology read out over the system, as apparently one of the speakers hadn't been switched on! You would never have known.

flowers in the night

old man get some soldiers, keep them close at hand
the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land
guard yourself most carefully with military might
for plants that cannot bloom by day must flower in the night

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Ohio
Monster
Baron Von Tollbooth
For what it's worth
Volunteers

history shows this is not going to end well

80% Being Out of State

There's an old war saying, "first results from the field" are often wrong.

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/jail-records-show-minneapoli…

Available data is showing in excess of 80% of the people in these protests are in-state residents. Those first reporting that 80% were from out of state are not proving to be correct and several redactions have been made from those first reporting these numbers. Most appear to be in city (Minneapolis).

I am not rushing to judgement on either side I doubt if I will. This is a complex and nuanced topic. Be careful, be kind be considerate.

Have a peaceful day out there folks. So much trouble in the world.

Trouble

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6EyMJJdW40

Unkle Sam

I like your new avatar / picture. The illustration is funny and the colors are cool.

What's The Old Saying About Two Wrongs...

...Oh Yeah, two wrongs don't make a right. So maybe, condemning the police who killed George Floyd really doesn't justify destroying the property, livelihood, and possibly the lives of innocent people who didn't kill anyone. If you feel it is justified, then I have to ask if you are volunteering your property and safety for destruction by a mob of angry people who want to inflict pain on you to remedy an injustice in which you did not participate or condone. Should each group riot and destroy when a member of their group is killed or injured by another? Is that really the path to harmony or is that just the retrograde idea of a blood feud coming back into vogue?

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