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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • Timster
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    RE: 7 2 88

    The Iko-Iko opener was fun but that Jack Straw was incredible. A lot of details of that day are fuzzy for some reason, but the JS was unforgettable for me. I do hope this show gets released some day.

  • stoltzfus
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    One of the few GD88 shows I hold in high esteem

    The one that should have been on ttats, not 7 3

    Not that theres anything wrong with that...

    I imagine the JS in person was reeeeeally memorable

  • Timster
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    Jack Straw

    I'll admit that the Jack Straw from 7-2-1988 is what hooked me for life. Before that I was a Grateful Dead fan, but the Oxford Plains Speedway Jack Straw blew me away. 32 years later and I can still feel the Phil Bombs shaking the ground. Good times.

  • Oroborous
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    What AJS said...

    and Sir James for Mayor of Dead net!

  • billy the kid
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    Ralph Kramden /Iko Iko

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2nENlcXIipE

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Sir James

    I was just busting your ass in response to the renewed nonsense on the board. You are one of our most esteemed contributors and I hold you in the highest regard.

    The later year versions of Jack Straw have energy and appeal to me more. I would say the same for LLR and Bird Song. I realize that a lot of folks don’t enjoy LLR, but the band banged out a higher energy version at my first show, so it has always stuck with me. Plus Fay has been pounding the Northeast, so it seems timely.

    I would be in favor of a 9/19/70 release. Very cool Darkness>China Cat jam in the middle of Not Fade Away.

    Also, nice to see Doc reemerging. Another elite poster.

  • Forensicdoceleven
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    The job of the artist is always to deepen the mystery

    Morning rockers!!!!

    Ah yes, 9/20/70, one of the all-time classic Dead shows. Ever since I've been here there's been calls for its release.

    The acoustic set, one of THE best ever, would have made a most excellent companion to the WD 50th re-issue. Alas, it was not to be.

    The electric set! Delightfully off kilter, scorching, intense, and sonically deeply flawed. As somebody who has listened to a boatload of versions of this, I think I can say that maybe, just maybe with current technology Mr Norman and others can get this straightened out, but it will be a challenge................

    Commander Cody 1970, sir you are so fine!!

    Rock on rockers!!!

    Doc

  • daverock
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    Jack Straw and 67-69

    The one played at Kansas City 7/1/78 catches fire.

    We haven't had a Dave's Picks from late 1967 to April 1969 yet. The ones we have had from 1969 are from the letter half of the year, when they were heading heading towards Working Mans etc. The earlier months of 69 could be seen as the culmination of the psyche era before the country came in. Not that they entirely left the psyche era-but you know what I mean.

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    9/19/70

    9/20/70 is great, but the night before is also unbelievable...
    Has one of my all-time favorite Dark Stars...

    I’m not sure if all 4 shows in that run are in the vault, but man - what a perfect box set...

  • Mind-Left-Body
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    No, my perspective is just fine. This is the PM you sent me and response. The only reason I'm reposting is because you said my pespective was off and made it sound like I was making up stories. This is the last I have to say on the matter.

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    07/07/2019 - 11:36
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    What happened to my CDs???
    You forgot about that or you just wanted info?!!!

    Subject Where’s my CDs ???
    07/09/2019 - 17:36
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    You were not answering my posts. I do not know your address. The dead net PM Inbox only holds 10 messages and you gave me your address a long time ago.

    You just posted that you have obtained a copy of the box set, so I assume you don't need them anymore. What a way to ask! You're easily the rudest person I've come across on dead net. You think I spent time trying to get those CDs burn for info LMAO. You don't have the info!!! You told me you would let me know what the box set was several weeks ago at this point. You said it would only be a couple more days. That time has long since passed, so that makes you a liar in my book.

    I think the truth of the matter is that you don't have the box set list. You don't have the foggiest idea what it's going to be. And for you to come on here and rudely ask where your CDs are? I'll tell you where they are, they're in my shed on my 80s CD player. I'm using them as a backup when I go out to the shed to smoke. Please don't PM me anymore.

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    Like Icecrmcnkd I did some research since you said no questions were asked and evaded by you. For DaP 32 you wrote (and this is still posted under entry 1677 October 28th, before anyone else stated they received their copy:

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    Daves 32 Release 💀🌹
    I recieved two copies today. Opened one and powered up my amps nice and warm and pushed play on my personal system. Oh my! pRIMO isn’t even close to explaining this new mix, just gratefuly beautiful , well worth the 41 years of waiting for this release! I’m all ears my Grateful Dead Fans, I’m pretty sure everyone is going to agree the sound of Daves Pick 32 is top-notch my brothers & sisters! Peace be with you all, have a grateful week and an even an equally gratefully where’s Bruce Lenny when you need him ...🤡holoween 2019 🙏❤️😎💀🌹💀🌹

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    Int he next few entries two people asked you the run time on Jam and Dark Star. Your reply:

    *Re/Butch - Daves Pick #32 / Dark Star & & Jam...
    .... the ‘Jam’really starts/begins with ‘Trucking’ 🙏😎💀🌹

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    Question not answered. Butch asked again:

    Thats Cool Love My Girl
    What's the minutes and seconds for Jam and Dark Star? It's on the CD.

    ****************

    So that was 3 asks on the lenghth of Dark Star. Simple question. Your response came in post #1617 after many had received their copy. The two people asking about the track lenghths of Jam and Dark Star questioned whether you really did get early copies as an "insider". Why wouldn't it come into question? You weree fine announcing to everyone that you had it in hand and listened to it. It was only when you were asked a third time and had no answer that they questioned whether or not you really received early copies. You responded with something incoherent about Halloween and how they must be crazy for asking a simple question. This was it, still up there for all to see, so no I'm not making all of this up.

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    Mindless Brain Dead & Souless Troll (S)
    ...when there’s one theirs always another right after another emerging from their beggars tomb under the bridge & why not? It’s halloween, day of the dead and a time when most crazy lunes worshipping the moon & a bit of witches brew...lmfao! Have a grateful evening everyone, peace be with you all, even the crazies lol 🙏😎🌹☠️🎃

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    P.S. we were friendly at one point. I don't dislike you, you were a nice contact to have before this occurred.
    Please just be straight with people. Your enthusiasm in your posts is much appreciated and also your GD knowledge.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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I've had 2 boy Black Labs in a row for the past 20 years. You won't find a better buddy, especially great to have by your side if you're a night owl. My sister-in-law has a Golden Retriever. Their temperaments are about the same. I went with a Black Lab because they look so cool and my mother had a pool (they love to swim). Not sure if the Golden Retrievers swim as much or not. Both breeds have a ton of energy so you have to be ready to spend a lot of time exercising them. And you definitely have to train them daily the first year. They housebreak very easily, and they have a big tank, so they're okay to leave at home for a few hours without having to worry about them using your house for a bathroom. They are chewers and will get into everything if they're not trained. Don't leave anything valuable or toxic anywhere near them unattended. Yes even a sealed ibuprofen bottle.

I was long overdue for the MacArthur Court '78 Dave's Pick, aka Close Encounters with the Grateful Dead. Jan - April '78 is a real sweet spot. Still had those super tight performances, but subtly different from '77. They stretched out some songs (Music Never Stopped and Estimated Prophet come to mind; I think the Terrapin main theme even runs a little longer after that first section of verses are done around the five minute mark - mesmerizing). The Wolf is the Wolf and Keith gets away from the polymoog, which I think was a good move (I like him best on the acoustic Grand and Fender Rhodes, but alas, things change). Just those two changes give the music a harder edge I think.

I'm up to the UFO part, gotta go before I miss the 10 seconds that made an album cover. I think they play the Close Encounters theme for longer during the Bertha warm up on DP 10. Probably my favorite DaP album cover, along with DaP 1. DaP 5 through 13 run a close second. That was a pretty good run.

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Dear Mr. Fantasy.. play us a tune, something to make us all happy.

Played 58 times
First 06/14/84- Red Rocks Amphitheater - Morrison, CO
Last 07/21/90- World Music Theater - Tinly Park, IL

I don't know where I heard or read this, and I am not sure of my source, but I heard Brent and Jerry decided to debut it in the limo drive to the show. They shared a limo that day and it wasn't very well rehearsed at the time and somewhat a surprise to the rest of the band. Something like that.. I could be wrong but that's my memory from something I saw or read a very long time ago.

Here's the first time played. A little rough around the edges but a magical moment in GD history nonetheless.

https://archive.org/details/gd1984-06-14.139553.sbd.pcm.miller.flac1644…

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Bit of an odd decision to close the site down for 24 hours. If there was a warning it was going to happen, or an explanation I never saw it.

JRF68 - I've never read anything in any of your posts that warrant an apology.

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To save my trolling through every post, is there anybody else in the UK who still hasn't received this? I received my shipping email on 30.04, and still no sign of it in (not so sunny today) Suffolk...

PHANTOMENGINEER

You are not alone. Have you looked at your order on dead.net to get the UPS tracking number? You could then check the packages travels and see where it has got to so far. Mine was in the UK on 29th May so I await either the delivery or a demand for money with bated breath

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... but a friend in the north of Sweden recieved his copy on June 1st. He had then before that recieved a message about the extra costs to pay (taxes). My package isn't searchable yet and du to the Postal service to whom I just spoke it can still be waiting in Brussels. Last messages on the USPS Sweden webpage is that it left Chicago on May 22nd and Brussels on May 23rd, so maybe it's gone missing in the mail. We'll see ...

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Your welcome,’Charlie’! I’m with you! That Entire album by “ Black Sabbath Is Primo!!! When I first got the LP, it blew me away and I’ve been a fan of Ozzie ever since! I’m glad someone else holds interest in Positivity in such matters! Thank you for sharing my brother!
“Strange Days”Indeed Daverock!( Happy to read your parcel #34 has made its way home! Enjoy my grateful friend, it’s definitely a show “your” going to ‘Dig’ & Love! 🙏❤️💀🌹

******Here’s a little game , all are invited to play! To center ourselves again!‘Peace Time’....
******** ...can anyone name the titles of the two movies that contain these two Dialogues/ Lines? , anyone who gets it right will receive a “Free Gift , Grateful Dead related surprise! First person how knows the answer . Please post the answer on the forum,Please Don’t Send Me A PM Message. My mail box is kinda filled right now, I’m a little behind schedule! Lol he hee ...have a grateful Day everyone! Be safe be kind ! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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To my surprise, Dave's 34 #1436 + bonus has just dropped through my letter box despite no changes in the various tracking sites since I posted them some 34 posts back. UPS still say it arrived in the Netherlands on May 29, USPS still say it was processed through Los Angeles on May 1 and PostNL here in the Netherlands shows no record of it. If it got presented to Dutch customs, then they weren't interested, but I have never had to pay tax or duty on a Dave's Picks. Except that one UPS fiasco which no one involved will ever forget.

I am just glad to receive it, and like a recent CD delivery from the US, this took about 5 weeks. That would seem to be the new normal. Now to get down to listening to it...

For the rest of Europe and the world where applicable, just be patient. I'm sure it will come good in the end.

P.S. Thanks for the photos, Doc. Nice!

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One of their more successful attempts at covering a British song. Mostly their covers of British tunes frankly make me cringe.

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I got a card through my door on Monday, telling me it was at the depot, and would be mine when I coughed up £13.52. I walked over there today, and saw a sign on the door saying they were only open between 7.00am and 9.00am. It was about 11.00am when I was there. An employee came out while I was standing there, and she was very insistent that she could not break the rules, take my money and hand over the cd. She told me to come back tomorrow, or pay online/over the phone. She told me she had strict instructions from the government and she wasn't prepared to disobey them ! She wasn't going to budge, so I trooped home again-a one hour forty minute round trip

Anyway, I have now paid over the phone, and it should be with me on Friday. Thank gawd for that. On the plus side, I got 5/19/74 on vinyl delivered here on Saturday, and its period of quarantine is up-so I am good to go with that for now.

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Daverock - It was hardly an odd decision to close down the site for a day as part of the music industry's protest against what is currently occurring in Amerika. Granted, I didn't see it announced on here, but it was surely widely known that many websites (and social media sites for that matter) were going to go black for the day.

but if you would like to continue the discussion off boards, pm me, I'd be more than happy to trade quotes with you
He who thinks by the inch and talks by the yard gets kicked by the foot

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First and foremost and forgive me if wrong, but your post made you seem unhappy with something I said. If so I am very sorry. The type word can be hard sometimes.

Next, I have the memory of a flea anymore, I had to go back like 4 pages to find it. I didn't remember the "conversation" per se, but wasn't going back any further. I can only guess, but, I thought I was agreeing to something you said about "authority" and I had the usual flip response about "authority". When you give a man a stick, he finds something to hit. Whereas, a woman would make a nice kids swing out of it!.

I didn't think there was a "discussion' to have via pm's.

I was sorry if there was a slight and didn't think that a public slight show have an offline apology.

For the record, I find EVERYTHING funny anymore. Like the old story about 'if I didn't laugh about everything...…"

So, Sorry 'bout that Bruce.

PS - like the one about thinking by the inch....

Maybe we need a quote a day board !

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I just read somewhere further down someone suggested a quote a day board (sorry forget who), but I thought what a great idea!

Here's an mean one to start off

I kept it in a cage, watched it weeping, but I made it stay. - Kate Bush

:-)

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Two that I like, both from Half Man Half Biscuit lyrics:

“You’re the reason that Paradise Lost”
“The light at the end of the tunnel is the light of an oncoming train”

Perhaps a little simplistic but a lyric from Robb Johnson about an earlier Tory government
“They’re the cream of the nation. Thick, Rich, White”

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Dead-Shoreline amp. mountain view 6/3/76. Max creek-Capital theater 6/3/89. You could almost find as much acid at max creek gigs as the dead in the 80s. Whew, is it safe to come out now?

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Thick, Rich, White!!!

Still laughing, but will work that bad boy in, somewhere!

Simon-no I had no idea what was happening on this website yesterday until someone told me in an email. I am obviously following what is happening on the news, but I never came across any references to social networks-or whatever this is-closing for the day. It almost felt as though they were stopping discussion on the subject by their action. So...an act of protest. I would never have known it if I hadn't been told. I'm not sure what "going black" for the day is supposed to achieve.

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you made me check on Robb Johnson, I have none, I want. Amazon has a 5 cd set called "A Reasonable History of Impossible Demands". (I'd want it just for that title!) Used, it's an ok price. Anyone familiar with said album?

BLACKOUT: had no clue....it was fine, just wish they would have announced it. Hopefully it helped make a difference!
It did inform me that perhaps I’m obtaining a bit of a addiction here lol.

DOGS: love most animals, especially Dogs, it’s people I tend to have problems with. Some Dogs people will say “careful, their not nice, or their not friendly”....me, they love me! Go figure...real unconditional love, loyalty honesty...always glad to see you...amazing.
I’ve had a Irish setter that was really smart and well trained, a Lab/Husky, and lived for 5 years at a place with the best, smartest, mellowest Golden Mutt ever. This dog would look at you and you felt like perhaps they were a person last go round and now their stuck in this dog body lol. The dog would basically telepath it wanted to go out. Living where we did that meant just opening the door and letting her go. When she wanted to come back in, she would bark once. Then she would wait patiently. If no one let here in within five minutes, she’d bark again just once. Amazing dog! Oh, and she loved the Dead and music in general. I Played music with her owner and she loved to come curl up at your feet on stage while the band was playing! Owner was tight with LOS and she would do that sometimes at their gigs too!
Labs and Golden’s are awesome, but they need room and a lot of exercise. Both are fun and can be great partners and both usually have good personalities. Their usually really good with kids. But dogs, like people, definetly have personalities so it’s usually best if you can spend time or get to know them before you have to choose. My last Dog was a lab/Husky mutt and I immediately liked him out of the rest of the large litter....because the crazy little guy was already slipping away from mama and getting into stuff at four weeks old, lol. You could tell right then and there he was going to be a handful, named him Aiko because he had that vibe..hey now! Here i come, wuff!
He was a handful when he was young, but eventually became an awesome well behaved companion.

TIPS: get them fixed ASAP before they know what there missing etc, I didn’t for over a year and it was a big mistake....since he was fully mature by then and had “gotten some”, so it took years for him to calm down that way even after he’d been fixed. Be prepared to spend A LOT of time that first year. If you wait too long it’s much harder to get good results. You’ll thank yourself because there is nothing better than a life with a cool, mellow, behaved happy dog, and nothing worse than a bad untrained dog. Preferable to get your pup after they’ve been wormed.....
Insurance. Currently don’t have any pets but my understanding is nowadays you really need insurance....
Chewing: they do like to chew stuff up. I used crochet balls and old 2x4s. He’d instantly chew anything else up (until older) he couldn’t get enough jaw on the crochet balls and the 2x4s it didn’t matter that he’d shred them, at least they’d last a little while and were free so didn’t matter.
All dogs can be overprotective and act out. Every dog I’ve ever lived with or known for long has done it at least once, Usually it was just a weird situation and often not all the dogs fault, but it can happen.
Also, poop! You will be dedicating the next 10-15 years to endless poop; worming, cleaning up, walking, sickness etc.
In other words, it’s a big decision because it’s a big responsibility! Unfortunately that’s why we don’t have a dog anymore; our lifestyle is not organized and scheduled for the proper care of a dog, and Pedro doesn’t pick up poop, so though I miss not having one, it’s because it wouldn’t be fair to the mutt and I just don’t want all that responsibility these days. Sounds like you have a family to help which can make a big difference and it can be great responsibility learning for a young person. A life with a good dog can be one of the greatest experiences in life, but man is it hard when they go. I’ve lost my folks, all my grandparents, most of my aunts and uncles, even a few friends, but I think losing a good dog that you were really tight with and had a good life with can sometimes be harder. I still get pretty upset if I start thinking too much about missing those guys. I’m getting misty just talking about it...

COPS: I’ve had a few good experiences with reasonable, polite, and respectful ones, but unfortunately I’ve had more terrible experiences. Leddead your Denver buddies being some of the worst!
Years ago after a Phil and Phreinds show at the Philmore, I had 4 or 5 beers over the course of several hours, but stopped more than 3 hours before leaving. This is a system I’ve used based on science for years. Basicallly, get a little buzz early, then stop so by the time you leave your totally fine (legally and otherwise).
So I take the back street behind the Philmore to avoid all the lights on Colfax, and then cut back over near DT so I could get to the expressway etc. Well as I’m not familiar or good in the city, and my night vision sucks, I made a right on red at a place I wasn’t supposed to. Cop is sitting there hiding in an alley just waiting for this. So she pulls me over, and of course asks if I’ve been drinking. Since I knew I was legal etc I said I had a few, a few hours ago. I know, that’s what everyone says, but it was true. So next thing you know there’s a half dozen cops most of which are trying to mess with me and get me to do something stupid so they can mess with me. One even stepped on my toe while getting so close to my face he was spitting on me while he screamed at me. I was never so scarred in my life. Luckily, I know how to act around wild animals so I just stayed calm and was overly polite the whole time. So I take the so called sobriety tests that I can’t pass if it’s first thing on Tuesday and I’m more sober than a baby. It’s a proven fact these tests are designed for failure.
So of course I fail and they arrest me even though I’ve still not taken a breathalyzer which I’ve been asking to do the whole time. Now I’m pretty beat up for my age, and I’ve had reoccurring shoulder problems, and it’s extremely painful for me to ware the jewelry behind my back which is standard practice for officer safety. So I try to very calmly and politely explain this to the Women cop who originally pulled me over as she was the ONLY one of the posse that wasn’t being intimidating, obnoxious, rude, or trying to violate my rights. But as soon as I did, the brutes slammed me up against my truck and hurt me so bad putting the cuffs on I was crying out in pain. Luckily the ride was short as I was in severe agony.
So we get to the compound and go into an armored door underground garage. So before we go in the officer has to put her weapons etc in a locker in the garage area. So now she starts getting nervous about taking her hands off me while she attends to this protocol (they don’t want you grabbing their weapon after they take the cuffs off inside).
So since she’s now alone she’s not comfortable etc and has me stand on the other side of this fortress garage and says don’t go anywhere....so I’m like Mam, im over fifty years old, mostly broken, I’m in extreme agony here cuffed behind like this, what am I going to do, some acrobatic Kung fu shit and fly over there and bite you in the neck because I made an illegal right on red? Kinda like Arlo Guthrie LOL, but it helped reassure her and she actually smiled a little.
So next it’s this whole long convoluted process to book you and get mug shots etc and I’ve still not had the test. Meanwhile there are now new Neanderthals circled around trying to get me to give them any reason at all to mess with me. At some point they tell me I have to sign shit which lawyer friends say never sign anything! So I politely mention this and before I even finish they start telling me I’m now failing to comply and refuse the test (which I never did) and how I just lost my license and all kinds of other screaming and carrying on until they finally shut up enough so I say, look, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to know what your asking me to sign. So he takes the paper and jams it in my face so close it’s touching my face. Another inch and he would of basically hit me. Now I’m even more scarred...finally, after more threats, screaming, insults, intimidation etc, I get to take the test. Now I’m still not worried about DUI cause I know I’m not illegal etc, but I am worried about getting beat. Again this whole time I’ve never raised my voice. I’ve only spoken when asked to, and I’ve used only Sir, Mam, Officer etc and been extremely polite and respectful. So I take the test and of course barely register any alcohol like less then .001, .08 is the legal limit....but this nut doesn’t believe it so recalibrated the machine and made me blow multiple times, including putting his face next to mine and screaming at me that I’m not blowing hard enough (like a drill Sargent) even though I’m literally out of breath and panting etc...
Finally the original gal that stopped me (who’s been totally proffesional the whole time) says “enough, he’s good, I’m letting him go and taking him back.” We’ll they have to go through the whole convoluted process in reverse to sign all my stuff back out including my tour laminate (was not looking forward to notifying my cousin that the cops now have full access)...so while this is happening, they take one last run at me trying to get me to give them ANY reason to mess me up and lock me up, all because I failed to obey a traffic sign I never saw...
This is just one story, I have several others where I wasn’t as worried about being beat, but I did have my rights totally violated, so my 2 cents is that I’m scarred shitless anytime I have to deal with cops. It didn’t used to be as bad, my experiences have gotten worse over the years and I’m white, I’ve never done anything bad (I don’t believe minor drug stuff is bad) and I’ve never actually been convicted with anything except speeding, yet in the last ten years or so anytime I’ve been pulled over I’ve immediately become extremely scarred, nervous, anxious and worried for my safety. If these cops are all so good and there’s only a few bad apples, why should generally law abiding citizens be scarred for their life during even a routine traffic stop (last time had a company truck with tail bulbs out)? Another example, car searches: they rarely did them in the old days, now, it’s almost like standard practice...they used to have to follow the constitution....
Imagine how our brothers and sisters of color feel....
We have a serious systemic problem with the recruitment, training, and oversight of our law enforcement in our police state of a so called free democracy. Be careful out there folks....like Kerouac said “avoid authority, go through life like a ghost”

I have had next to no interactions with police.

One speeding ticket when I was young and dumb
one pullover for ???
one pullover because I changed lanes too fast.

"so much things to say right now"...but dead.net isn't really the place.

just BE KIND and respect your fellow human beings, my people.

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How Dogs Became Man’s Best Friend

A story told by some Native American peoples is that the Great Spirit decided to divide the worlds of animals and man.
He gathered all the living beings on a great plain and drew a line in the dirt.
On one side of the line stood man and on the other side stood all of the animals of the earth.
When that line began to open up into a great canyon and at the last moment
Before it became too great to cross, the dog jumped over and stood by man.
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Give a man a fire and he’ll be warm for the day.

Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life

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I suspect much of the negativity directed at the police, and much of the conflict between police and inner city residents, is due to the "War on Drugs" and the mass incarceration regime that it spawned while the legislative branch seems to largely evade criticism on the issue. As an example, it was the War on Drugs made no knock warrants common place, and it was a no-knock warrant that led to the death of Breonna Taylor. It seems ironic to me that Joe Biden was one the primary proponents of the War on Drugs and mass incarceration regime for decades, including supporting the legislation imposing substantial sentencing disparity for crack cocaine as opposed to powder cocaine, and is now somehow the voice of reason after decades of selling himself as a tough anti-drug warrior. I guess nobody remembers the legislation he helped push through in the '80s and '90s let alone bother to question his culpability in promoting a drug war that had such a negative impact on people of color.

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Caught the 7/14/85 Ventura County Fairgrounds on the Dead Channel last night....and wow, what an outstanding, exploratory, trippy show! Not sure how I've overlooked this one all these years, but I highly recommend it....the sound quality/recording used last night was just outstanding...(the archieve.org version not so much)...also, the day before 7/13/85 sounds equally as good! Maybe a future box set??...the boys were surely hitting on all cylinders, maybe it was because Live Aid was going down that weekend?? Also, the boys finish day 2 with "Day Job"?....bizarre.

Stay cool people.....stay cool

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The Reagan's were the kingpins of the war on drugs. You can implicate Biden and others if you it makes you happy.. there's a lot of guilt to go around. It didn't make many of us happy at the time, including me. It was (is?) a terrible war and left much destruction in it's path. I could be wrong, but I don't see escalation of the drug war on the agenda, at least not on the democratic agenda. I am hoping MD will be one of the next recreational states but our current governor doesn't seem to be pushing it. Still, it's going to happen here soon.

This current situation is entirely centered on racial injustice and the deaths of minorities (specifically blacks). There were no drugs involved in this incident and the last several as far as I can remember. Stolen cigars from a convenience store a few years back wound up in the mix. This entire topic is complicated and multifaceted, one could write a book on the topic and still leave stones unturned. The whole thing makes me sad. Perhaps my next listening adventure will contain Here Comes Sunshine. We need some good news.. or in the words of FZ, don't you boys know any nice songs? (or was that in the words of one of his groupies?)

Just finished my second listen of Jai Alia. A wonderful show with some really special moments. I saved the bonus disc for tomorrow. Initially I felt gipped that we didn't get two complete shows. ..but they sure did pick the meat of the show for the bonus disc. The Playing in the Band is amazing.

Now.. which version of Here Comes Sunshine is going to find me?

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Those shows in 1985 were a blast,, as were all the shows I went to in Ventura, what a cool place to see the Dead! Those 1985 Ventura and Frost shows would make a great box set!

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DENNIS

I don’t have that album as I own many of the tracks on other albums. It doesn't have the track I quoted on it ‘The cream of the nation’ but it does have a lot of good tracks on it. My quoted track is on a 2011 album ‘Some recent protest songs’. There is another album ‘The Liberty Tree’ made jointly with Leon Rossellson which might be of interest to people in the US as it intersperses songs by the two writers with spoken word stories about the life of Thomas Paine who wrote ‘The Rights of Man’, I should point out, to those of a nervous disposition, that the songs do have a left wing slant. Unfortunately I don’t have any digital versions and my computer is currently dead.

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Agree, let's not forget 84 Ventura while we're at it.

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... there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the political aisle for decades of increasingly aggressive policing and drug war excesses. I find both political parties repugnant on a regular basis. But if you look at his record on criminal justice you will see Joe was pushing for aggressive policing and punitive sentencing polices before Reagan, after Reagan, and in fact helped write some of the egregious drug war legislation that Reagan signed. I would have mentioned Ronnie if he were alive and running for president. Not trying to stir things up or offend anyone, but Joe's record is public record, you can easily verify his support for some of the worst criminal justice legislation of the '80s and '90s, all of which contributed to the increasingly aggressive tactics used by the police, the same aggressive mindset that contributes to these unfortunate tragedies. I think his current position is no MJ legalization, just some sort of decriminalization as he doesn't believe there has been enough research to justify legalization. It is what it is. Donnie may be a dick, but as president signed the First Step Act which actually started the process of rolling back the insane federal mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent drug offenses put in place in the '80s and '90s and gave federal judges more opportunities for a "safety valve" departure from the mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent drug offenders, nothing to scoff at whether you like the guy or not.
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if there were a presidential election where I felt like I could vote for someone that I really, truly wanted to be president. Hopefully my ramblings won't anger anyone.

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Maybe the nature of our experience depends on our place in society at the time we have contact with them. Race, age, gender, drug of choice, whether you appear affluent or not...many different factors.

My contacts with them were okay, I suppose. I used to get stopped a fair few times in the 1970s due to my appearance and age, but I only got caught out once. Curiously, in retrospect, this didn't really bother me that much-I was wary-but accepting. They were always alright with me.
As I have got older, and straighter looking they seem to have lost interest in me. I was once stopped for driving too slowly (!), but as I hadn't been drinking they let me about my business. And when I was about 45 I was stopped on suspicion of shop lifting. Actually, that did make me angry. It was during a lunch break, and two young blokes who said they were plain clothes stopped me and one of them grabbed hold of me. It certainly gave me an insight in how something trivial could escalate into something more serious. It didn't in my case-I showed them my work i.d and they begrudgingly let me go. But they were unnecessarily provocative.

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This is too much for this forum. Not a great fit and sure to jump off the tracks.

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It's the right time and place for this story, if you hav'nt heard it. Just type in Garcia and LSD cake and hear Garcia tell a cool story. Bolo you heard this story before?

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82 YES my first show on the 18th
83 lots o fun
84 goooood
85 rich
86 poor Jerry
87 heard one of the shows on cassette

Lucky to have attended 82 83 84

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Ive heard that somewhere before

"Playin'
Playin' for my life"

The cat's been gone a quarter century

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are you kidding me! 😁 not familiar with the 14th...wasn’t 84 the Just Wanna make love to you? Worked further fest there in 96, so chill, would of loved to see the boys there.

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Thanks for posting the video, I don't know how to post things.

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.....never saw the Dead there (before my time), but caught Phish there a couple of times. Awesome place to see a show.
p.s. I'm starting to jones for some live music.

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I do prefer discussions on music the most. I don’t mind, and occasionally enjoy, a crooked detour once in a while. My 1/2 of 2 cents is this:
If you made 2 columns, one of how humans are alike, the other of how they’re different, the column of similarities would dwarf the column of differences. Also, why is it SO HARD to “treat others as you would wish to be treated by them”. Just makes me sad.

Last 5:
Mike Oldfield-Exposed Disc 1
Miles Davis-Complete Jack Johnson Sessions
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Miles Davis-Complete In A Silent Way Sessions
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Rush-Permanent Waves 40th Anniversary
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Herbie Mann-Live At The Whiskey 1969•The Unreleased Masters Discs 1 & 2

So, when can we start guessing/wishing what Dave’s 35 will be. The only thing I’m certain of, is that it won’t be Alaska 1980.

Music Is The Best!!

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25 years ago today I saw my last Grateful Dead show, it was ok. I saw the Dead the night before, 6/2/95 , and came away thinking it was one of the better shows I'd seen. I sure had a lot of fun. I listen to the tape and some parts sound a little ragged, but !I sure had a good time that night.

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Now there’s a band I haven’t heard mentioned in quite a while. I must have seen them 20 times throughout college and thereafter. Once on a boat cruise around Boston harbor. If I recall correctly, they used to play in a night club after the Providence shows. I vaguely remember seeing them there once or twice.

Gypsy Blue. And a barefoot dancer too.

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Synchronicity I
When The World Is Running Down, You Make The Best Of What Is Still Around
Invisible Sun
Spirits In The Material World
O My God

I love this band. It was a time and place.

All the best to everyone. J, I'll buy you a
drink and we'll sort it out. What the fuck.

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One can "blame" Ronnie R for hard drug laws, but Clinton didn't do anything to effectively undo those laws. Drug arrests spiked to record highs well into his administration. Too far into his administration 1997 to say he tried. I believe the reality is that hus party has always been soft on crime, so he passively supported Ronald Reagan's policies. He certainly wasn't willing to lose swing voters over it. To single out Reagan as the reason for high drug arrest numbers is inaccurate and almost propaganda sounding to me, and I think I've followed the War on Drugs closely enough.

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