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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Vguy72
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    Amazon Prime Dayz....

    ....ooooh. A Klipsch R-120SW subwoofer for $240?
    Sign me up.

  • proudfoot
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    A punk band I forgot to list

    China White

    Their album Danger Zone ROCKS

    X is categorized as punk, but I just call 'em rock n roll

  • Vguy72
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    My punk dayz....

    ....finally getting around to organizing my record collection. Quite the task. I have over 300 records going back to my teenage days and just starting getting back into them as you know.
    Holy flashback Batman. Stumbled across some T.S.O.L., Cramps, Misfits, Corrosion Of Conformity, Agent Orange and Subhumans records I bought decades ago. They still hold up.
    According to discogs, some of the Misfits records I own are worth a pretty penny. Not that I would ever sell them.

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    The Stooges (the ones with Iggy, not Larry and Curly) loomed over punk in the US in a huge way, too. It was almost impossible to go to a punk gig in 1977 and not hear at least one Stooges cover. (My own proto punk band played I'm Loose and No Fun. Very poorly!) The Stooges and the Velvet Underground and the NY Dolls were really the foundation, along with the '60s garage bands.

    And btw, there was a fair amount of give and take in those early days between punk and various brands of psychedelia, including the Dead. Punks were supposed to hate hippies, but in reality we were often on the same drugs and disliked a lot of the same things. Greg Ginn of Black Flag was a big deadhead, for instance. Also, my LSD connection was a hippie neighbor who one day shaved his long hair and 'went punk.' after a gig by X. Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth was a deadhead, lots of others.

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    Iggy and The Stooges were massively influential in England during the second half of the 70's. In some ways, as Chuck Berry was to the 60's, they were to the 70's. Starting with Nick Kent's article in the NME in 1972 about their legendary show at Kings Cross, in London, to Raw Power the following year and the discovery of their first two albums. Their tracks, No Fun and 1970 were covered The Sex Pistols and The Damned, among others, but nobody came close really.
    When Iggy finally toured England, in 1977, it was one of the most eagerly anticipated rock events I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately - despite having David Bowie on keyboards - his moment had clearly passed. Still good - but not quite what he had been.

    The New York Dolls were important too. appearing on the rock programme "The Old Grey Whistle Test" circa 1973. After a blistering and shambolic "Jet Boy" and "Looking For A Kiss" they were put down by a visibly bemused, and slightly miffed Bob Harris as "mock rock". The 1970's were taking shape!

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    It just (duh) dawned on me where all the extra glue bits came from on the HCS box CDs

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    Hey Dave!!!

    Listened to Dave's#40 - Deer Creek this past weekend. Even though I had listened to it several times, it really floored me. Nice Pick Indeed! Some great playing and the recording Dan captured is top notch.

    I was much more in the active listener mode instead groove pilot.

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    Great write-up. Especially for someone like me that was on a different musical direction. Always admired the Ramones for what they did and their history. What playing the Roundhouse in London in 1976? And more importantly, from my perspective, they never strayed to far from their charter.

    Did I see the NYDolls in their, cant remember.

    So for me, who has never been in a mosh pit, it was very enlightening!!!

    Now how much will I remember? That has become the question.

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    Seventies punk is kind of an obsession for me, partly because it was maybe the only key moment in rock history that I had a mosh pit view of. I was around for a lot of the earliest gigs by LA area bands like X, Black Flag, Social D, and I saw the West Coast club debuts of everybody from Patti to Television, the Damned, Clash etc. Fun times!

    So I would say that when people first started using the term "punk" to describe what was happening, it was because they were referring to the way a bunch of scruffy upstart bands who were rebelling against the corporate rock status quo of the mid-'70s and trying to overthrow the established order, even though they didn't seem to have the wherewithal (ie, money, connections, looks etc) to do it. I think "punk" being used in the way it was used in gangster noir movies: the "punk" is the small time hood with big ambitions who is almost certainly doomed to be crushed by the mob, the police, the power structure.

    It wasn't really a musical style. Which is why that first wave of "punk" included artists as diverse as Patti, Television, Talking Heads, Deco, Pete Ubu, Suicide, and yes, the Ramones. I think what happened, as Daverock said, is that the Ramones offered a blueprint of what "punk rock" sounded like, and it was one that was easily copied, even by people who'd never picked up a guitar until yesterday. If you liked the Ramones, you could get together a couple friends, learn three chords, and start a band. And dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) did. Suddenly there was lots of bands that sounded like that in every town, and that was taken to be what "punk" was.

    About Television specifically: I personally think they took too long to record, and as a result we missed out on hearing the earliest version of the band, when Richard Hell was still a member and when they sounded a lot more raw and basic in a way we associate with punk. If you're curious, look up the Ork Loft recordings, a video made in 1974, and you'll see what I mean. That's what they sounded like when they'd been together for about a year. They did some demos with Eno after Hell left the band in December ''74, which are a lot more polished. And then they didn't record their Elektra album till September 1976. By which time they were one the tightest bands you'll ever hear, and not much like what we think of as "punk."

    Anyway. I would recommend hearing EVERYTHING Television ever did. Marquee Moon is a stone classic, the follow up, Adventure, much under-rated, and the live boots and Eno demos are all really good too. Even the reunion stuff is worth hearing.

    Sorry for the long post. I warned you I was kind of obsessed with this stuff.

    And, hey, Dave, where's that announcement?

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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Grantchester Meadows on Ummagumma if my faulty memory is working

....thats two in a row. For anyone keeping track.
Don't screw it up US. History tells me that the country was built on steadfastness against tyranny.

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Epic Morning Dew!!!

DC was home base for shows, for me. The band always seemed to play well to really great, in the nations capital!

Rock on, gang

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I was at my 1st show.
Grateful Dead that is.
The amps were buzzing.
And so was the the band and the audience.
Cheers

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That must have been Red Rocks - respect. I don't know where the heck I was, but it wasn't as good as that.

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Just pulled this one down from shelf.. A top five 1977 IMO, BUT - the sound.. the cds are from 98 and they sound tiny and far off.. Please Dave - let Sir Norman do a new remastering of some old releases - and soon - I am not getting any younger.. BW from Copenhagen

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....new record. Not the time to order vinyl lol.
Edit. Just realized I Pre-ordered Phish's new record that is being released Friday oof!
They are going to be on Jimmy Kimmel this Thursday btw.

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1st show, I got exposed first in Sept '72, but the first GD at Rocks shows were indeed rather epic. We had more Purple Dragon blotter than we should have had, so we ate alot of it. By the time the show started on the 7th, we were quite ready for the coolness of evening and they started with blue or purple lights (I swear!) The opening of the 7th and the second set of the 8th were seared into memory. Kesey was there and, I believe the weirdo noshing on steak by Phil's speakers was Owsley. And, of course, ME!

Glad for all the years we had this band live in our town(s). Or even better, someone else's town...

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Just in case TPTB are listening: it sure would be nice to hear at least some of the Dicks Picks in better audio. Seems like a no brainer: audio restoration tech has advanced quite a bit over the past 30 years, leading me to believe that at least some of the shows could be improved markedly.

C'mon Dave. You know it really has to be done at some point.

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Let me be counted as one who'd be willing to buy were some of these releases see remastering/Plangent treatment. Folks were talking about DP 19 recently, and it's a cracking good show, but I passed on picking up a used copy after listening to it and comparing it to the Kiel shows from 2 weeks later that were released as part of LttR. Similarly DP 20 has never sounded good to me; I much prefer the AUDs from that run. And DP 10... yeah, while I enjoyed that one back in the day, and it was a revelation compared to a fairly muddy audience tape I had, it no longer seems to hold up by today's high standards.

If its instead of something yet unreleased …
Just my two centavos.
Probably in the minority like usual.

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....I'm happy with my Dicks.
However, DP12 does sound incredible on vinyl.
So there's that. Another conundrum.
sigh.
Jinx PF haha. Good shit.
Been eyeballing #33 btw.

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...9th
'nuff said:(

Peace for All!
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I like the Dick's Picks re-release idea. I vote for:

Dick's Picks vol 2

But release the entire show: 10 31 71

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Bob dylan site offering a 27 cd box set of the 1974 tour,,,, comes out in september,,,,,130 bucks

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Dennis - Break out the little lady’s credit card. Dylan & the Band, 1974, a 27 disc set, due in September. (Because the entire tour is being released, it makes me think this is for copyright reasons, like releasing his entire 1966 tour was).
If you still have room left on the card, Pete Townsend has a solo live box set due this month of 14 discs (14 discs!? Psssh. Poser). I’m not a big enough PT Solo fan to invest in this one, but if they release a “best of”, maybe.
Finally, a Dicky Betts archival release coming in about a week, only one disc, but a live gig from 1988 featuring Warren Haynes, and some interesting guests, including Mick Taylor. Affordable, just not sure about the sound quality, as it is not a major label release. I’ll wait on this one.
Throw in a pending GOGD box, and your wife’s card will implode.
Edit - Dennis, I didn’t see your previous note when I posted.

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yeah, I bit. Now I'm worried because the dead are NOW going to annouce the 600 cd set for only 10k and we're only making 5,,,, so rush on down!

Third Man Records are supposed to release a "highlite" 3 lp set of the Dylan,,,, I'm watching,,,, well see :-)

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PROPER!
Hey Dnet, how come y’all don’t do any tour boxes like that instead of measly 3 show boxes etc?
Skip the shite and just give us the shows ; )

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....they have been gone almost as long as they were here.

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After boogieing on stage with the Band, well, the rest is history!
I swear you could feel something was going to happen…

So, what, a week, maybe two until the next installment of “greatest pick evvver” vs “What the hell was he thinking” lol What will it be?
I’m thinking maybe he finally goes Vince or Bruce era, followed by something old and attention getting to plumb subs for next year?

And the box? Maybe it’s a fall release?
What with them working on new site bugs etc, and other releases in motion etc, they have enough troubles and are gonna wait a bit?
That would add gas to the 10/74 50th box rumors fire 🔥

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right, DaP51 announced by end of this week, VincebusBruciola era. We drove down from central Maine January 14th fifty years ago to catch Dylan and The Band at the old Boston Garden, what an armpit venue it was. Brought a camera, B&W 35mm shot with a telephoto. Lots of repeats on those 27 discs, would settle for a best of 3CD package.

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36 years ago I was up at the Frost Ampitheatre to see a really cool show with the Jerry Garcia acoustic band, Hot Tuna was also on the bill. Fun times!

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…Dicks Picks #33 Vinyl Boxset is Primo IMHO & a must have if you collect Grateful Dead vinyl releases. The audio quality is excellent & really an upgrade from the CD release on my system.
I also agree with’Doc’ , i prefer & believe Dave’s Picks #24 is better than the ‘Veneta performance! I would also love & welcome to have some of the Dick Picks performance releases be rereleased in complete form! A whole lot of primo performances being incomplete form in the dicks picks series! Concerning Boxsets, Im still hoping,want and waiting for a 1979 Boxset release someday soon…have a grateful day everyone!
“Nothing left to do but Smile Smile Smile!”

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According to a press release for the new box, the shows were "captured on a stereo soundboard mix, on both 1/4” tape and cassette. By tour’s end, Asylum Records’ David Geffen had commissioned recordings on multitrack tape, the standard at the time, for eventual release on Before the Flood.

The 1974 Live Recordings offers fans 417 previously-unreleased Bob Dylan live tracks – including 133 recordings newly mixed from 16-track tape, and every single surviving soundboard recording.

In conjunction with The 1974 Live Recordings, Third Man Records has announced the September release of The 1974 Live Recordings – The Missing Songs From Before the Flood, a 3-LP / 1 x 7-inch set culled from the same recordings, featuring hand selected versions of every song Bob Dylan recorded that was not included on the original 1974 live album.

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The Live 1966 recordings are great - even though there is a heck of a lot of repetition. I have never been that keen on Before The Flood though, so I would go for the highlights of this new set, not the whole thing. And then only if there are no recordings of The Band without Dylan included.

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Another reissue is a 20th anniversary 3 cd set Bubblegum XX by Mark Lanegan coming out towards the end of August. This was one of my favourite albums from 2004 so I’ll have to get it. I’ve ordered the Dylan box set as well.

I recommend listening to Pink Floyd's Ummagumma soon

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"AAAAAAAA!!!"

Just like a first cup of coffee

And then Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun in stop and go traffic

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So Many Roads

Jerry looks so tired. 52 going on 79.

What must have it been like to experience life from his perspective?

RIP, Jerry. You are truly and sincerely missed.

:_(((

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Garcia with me everywhere I go! God Bless the grateful Dead! Peace! ;-)

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I'm not sayin reissue a bunch of upgraded Dicks INSTEAD of more new shows. I'm sayin do BOTH the current archival reissue program AND upgrade some Dicks. All I want is everything. Is that too much to ask?

I'm-a have to do some thinking on this new Dylan box. Always dangerous! For whatever reason, I never listened to Before the Flood very much. The Rolling Thunder tour seemed so much more inspired, if also more ragged. Anybody got THAT box set (ie The Rolling Thunder Review 1975 Recordings)? If so I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. Almost bought that one about eleventy seven times.

Listening right now to the Des Moines shows from the spring '73 box and it is fine fine fine.

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Very strange timing, considering the Dylan & the Band Boxset was just announced today, but it was also announced today that Mary Martin just passed away, at 85. Who?
Mary was a Toronto gal that saw the Band playing around town in their Hawks days, and befriended the guys. She later went on to work for Albert Grossman in New York (Dylan’s manager), and it was her that introduced Dylan to the Band, felt they would work well together.
The rest is history.
She worked with other artists like Peter, Paul & Mary, Van Morrison, and Leonard Cohen, but later worked her way to Nashville in A & R, and became instrumental in the careers of people like Emmylou Harris, Rodney Crowell, Vince Gill, and Keith Urban.
RIP Mary

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....feeling better already.
If for nothing else, the first shows Phil approached the mic since the Keith & Donna daze.
Cold Rain & Snow.
Lesh Philling. Bass Grate!
"Let Phil sing!" sprouted from the ground ever since. You gotta let it grow.
Talk of New Mexico reminds me of strider, who used to post here quite often.
Positive thoughts Vguy.
I don't believe in coincidences That Mike, but, yeah. Kinda weird.

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If 27 cds with (mostly) the same set-list is too much - I recordmend the wonderful "Another Self Portrait" (4 cd) box. It is sold out and a little expensive, but it has the Dylan/Band show from "Isle of Wight 1969".. great stuff..

Crow - that's one of the best Dylan live box sets, by my reckoning. Light years away from the stadium rock featured on Before The Flood, it feels ragged and inspired. It also features a great dvd. Look out for Mick Ronson playing the riff from Jean Genie as rhythm for A Hard Rain.

I also like that 4cd Another Self Portrait. One of the few albums I bought as a download instead of a physical object. Bit of a mistake, perhaps, but better than nothing.

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VGuy - I don’t believe in coincidence, either, but one last one on the Band.
You mentioned Strider in reference to New Mexico. He told me he was a New Mexico native, and that he was a big Band fan, and in 1974 he hitchhiked through Canada, and one of the jobs he did for traveling money was picking tobacco in Simcoe, Ontario, a small farming community that Rick Danko was raised in and around.
Too weird.

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Daverock I agree that the 1974 tour lacks the subtlety and intimacy of the Rolling Thunder tour but I still like it a lot. The box will make a nice 65th birthday present for me from my wife, save her having to think too hard. (A decent single malt would be nice too but that'll probably be from my son, he understands drink better and isn't shy about throwing a bit of money at it 🙂). I'm hoping that in some shows the vocals are a little less forced. Why do bands feel that they have to shout in front of a big crowd? Don't they understand it's amplified?

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Thanks for the recommendation, Daverock! I've noticed, over the years, that our tastes seem really similar, so if you're digging the Rolling Thunder box, I'm sure I will, too. Ordered it this morning, in fact.

Which means I will pass on the 1974 tour thing. For now, anyway. To me, Before the Flood always seemed to me like evidence that Dylan wasn't comfortable trying to be the arena rock star some people wanted him to be, and I doubt if hearing 27 CDs worth of that tour would change my mind. Rolling Thunder by contrast seems like a return to his contrarian instincts. There's real spontaneity and joy in the performances I've heard, and I'm eager to hear more. I'd almost say it was the last time Dylan was really Dylan. There's been lots of great music since then, but that was maybe the last time his performances felt like a countercultural happening. At least for me.

Then again there are certain artists I've learned never to dismiss. Like Miles Davis, Dylan has put out records that I despised at the time, yet years later came around to appreciate. So who knows? Maybe someday I'll "get" the 1974 tour. But I'll be immersed in Rolling Thunder for next week or so, I think. Thanks again.

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I've got most of em. The rolling thunder box has one disc of rehearsals (Disc 1) that is really great. Some of the other stuff can get a little repetitive, but 14 discs for $75 seems like a no brainer if you're a fan.

Also highly recommend Another Self Portrait, Bootleg Series # 10. Awesome versions of a great period, including lots of New Morning stuff. This one is really really good.

And one more shameless plug for #13, Trouble No More. One of the weaker periods for Dylan albums, but this box strips out all the cheesy 80s production and smacks you with a fantastic live band, and great arrangements of Slow Train, Gotta Serve Somebody, precious Angel, Covenant Woman, Watered Down Love, Caribbean Wind, I Believe In You, and a version of Pressing On that is alone worth the cost of the box. I cant recommend this one enough.

I was hoping the Springtime In NY stuff would be a continuation of Trouble No More, and while its got its high points, its not quite the gem that is TNM.

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Driving

Car in front of me has license plate holder with dealer name/location

Weir Canyon

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Turns out that is in Anaheim CA

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