• 3,418 replies
    heatherlew
    Default Avatar
    Joined:

    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • Seth Hollander
    Joined:
    Berkeley Box would probably be 8/72
    If indeed it's a Berkeley Box. I would love 7/82 or 6/85, both peak runs in their respective years, and 7/84 has that (tepid) Dark Star. But 8/21 and 22/72 are iconic second sets in my tape-collecting history. What a great box 8/21, 22, 24/72 would be! as for Pigpen, he's spoken of as in the band but sick and at home. Missing reels amongst the returned Betty's perhaps? 72, 82, and 85 setlists below: 8/21/72 One The Promised Land [2:53]; He's Gone [8:06] ; Black Throated Wind [6:21]; Friend Of The Devil [3:31] ; Jack Straw [4:43] ; China Cat Sunflower [5:51] > I Know You Rider [4:49]; Me And My Uncle [3:03]; Sugaree [6:40] ; Beat It On Down The Line [3:03]; Stella Blue [7:06] ; Playing In The Band [12:54] ; Brown Eyed Women [4:37] ; Mexicali Blues [3:25]; Casey Jones [#4:53] Two Greatest Story Ever Told [5:08] ; Ramble On Rose [5:55] ; Dark Star [26:51] > El Paso [4:32] > Space [3:35] > Deal [4:34] ; Sugar Magnolia [7:23] ; Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo [7:25] ; Uncle John's Band [5:55] ; One More Saturday Night [4:34] 8/22/72 One Bertha [#5:11] ; Greatest Story Ever Told [4:51] ; Loser [6:40] ; Black Throated Wind [%6:27] ; Bird Song [9:57] ; Beat It On Down The Line [3:03] ; Tennessee Jed [06:37] ; Me And My Uncle [3:13] ; Friend Of The Devil [3:35] ; Playin' In The Band [15:%41] ; He's Gone [8:30] ; Promised Land [2:47] Two Brown Eyed Women [5:02] ; Mexicali Blues [3:34] ; Truckin' [9:56] > Drums [2:24] > The Other One [29:56] > Stella Blue [8#;50] ; El Paso [4:42] ;Ramble On Rose [6:16] ; Not Fade Away [6:01] > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [5:51] > Hey Bo Diddley [4:09] > Not Fade Away [0:57# 8/24/72 One The Promised Land [2:58] ; Sugaree [6:43] ; Jack Straw [5:51] ; China Cat Sunflower [7:09] > I Know You Rider [4:49] ; Me And My Uncle [3:02] ; Bird Song [9:12] ; Beat It On Down The Line [3:05] ; Tennessee Jed [7:31] ; Playing In The Band [15:04] ; Casey Jones [5:47] Two Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo [6:50] ; Mexicali Blues [3:21] ; Brown Eyed Women [4:43] ; Truckin' [9:01] ; Dark Star [27:14] > Morning Dew [13:00] ; Sugar Magnolia [7:52]; Ramble On Rose [6:19] ; Greatest Story Ever Told [5:17] ; Sing Me Back Home [9:55] ; One More Saturday Night [4:30] Encore Uncle John's Band [7:11] 5/21/82 One Bertha [6:35] > Greatest Story Ever Told [3:50] ; Friend Of The Devil [8:44] ; Me And My Uncle [2:55] > Big River [5:09] ; Bird Song [10:45] > C C Rider [7:27] ; Althea [7:47] ; Looks Like Rain [7:35] ; Might As Well [4:01] Two Playing In The Band > Uncle John's Band > Drums > Space > The Wheel > Playing In The Band > Black Peter > Sugar Magnolia Encore Don't Ease Me In 5/22/82 One Jack Straw [5:01] > Sugaree [11:02] ; Cassidy [5:39] ; Tennessee Jed [8:01] > New Minglewood Blues [7:22] ; Cumberland Blues [5:33] ; Lazy Lightnin' [3:27] > Supplication [6:25] ; Deal [6:34] Two China Cat Sunflower [6:51] > I Know You Rider [5:28] > Man Smart (Woman Smarter) [6:21] ; Never Trust A Woman [5:51] ; Lost Sailor [6:25] > Saint Of Circumstance [6:40] > He's Gone [10:#33] > Drums > Space [9:19] > Not Fade Away [10:05] > Wharf Rat [8:28] > Around And Around [3:48] > Good Lovin' [8:31] Encore U.S. Blues 5/23/82 One Shakedown Street [13:00] > The Promised Land [4:03] ; They Love Each Other [7:52] ; Mama Tried [#2:10] > Mexicali Blues [4:22] ; Loser [6:48] > Little Red Rooster [7:34] ; Ramble On Rose [6:54] ; Let It Grow [11:11] Two Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain ; Samson And Delilah [7:00] ; Ship Of Fools [7:35] ; Estimated Prophet [11:38] > Eyes Of The World [6:55] > Jam (1) [1:49] > Drums [9:59] > Space [6:23] > The Other One [12:31] > Stella Blue [7:33] > I Need A Miracle [4:31] > Casey Jones [5:19] Encore (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction [6:20] > Brokedown Palace [5:22] 6/14/85 One Dancing In The Street ; West L.A. Fadeaway ; C C Rider ; Peggy-O ; Hell In A Bucket ; Keep On Growing ; Stagger Lee ; Let It Grow > Deal Two Morning Dew > Playing In The Band > China Doll > Drums > Space > Truckin' > Smokestack Lightnin' > Comes A Time > Sugar Magnolia Encore Keep Your Day Job 6/15/85 One Touch Of Grey ; New Minglewood Blues ; Friend Of The Devil ; Cassidy ; Dupree's Diamond Blues ; Me And My Uncle > Big River > Might As Well Two China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider ; Lost Sailor > Saint Of Circumstance ; Terrapin Station > Drums > Space > The Wheel > Gimme Some Lovin' > Throwing Stones > Not Fade Away Encore She Belongs To Me ; U.S. Blues 6/16/85 One In The Midnight Hour > Bertha ; Walkin' Blues ; Tennessee Jed ; My Brother Esau ; Big Railroad Blues ; Looks Like Rain ; Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo ; The Promised Land Two Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain > Samson And Delilah ; Cryptical Envelopment > The Other One > Cryptical > Drums > Space > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Turn On Your Lovelight Encore Brokedown Palace
  • Vguy72
    Joined:
    Berkeley starts with a B....
    ....The Greek is in Berkeley. edit. I posted this in between the 1st and 2nd overtime periods in the Knights/kings game. ONWARD!....
  • bolo24
    Joined:
    Friday the 13th
    B wear.
  • icecrmcnkd
    Joined:
    Box Set
    The name of a band. https://youtu.be/rCxDAHkQDNM Just so happens that the singer Jeff was also in Furthur.
  • jrf68@hotmail.com
    Joined:
    hmmmm...
    Looks like a photo-shop of a refrigerator magnet you can get on E-Bay. Suspicious...
  • Gollum
    Joined:
    box set vibe
    I've been getting a vibe the next box will be 7/27 - 8/1/73. Just a vibe.Imagine that 8/1/73 Star in full glory!
  • shirdeep
    Joined:
    summer 73
    new shirt to coinside with tha nu box
  • bob t
    Joined:
    Every time I see a box guess this quote comes to mind
    "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with this girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night." I give up ..... have a great weekend everyone, good luck on Monday getting a copy of Dave's Picks if you don't have one from the subscription!!! bob t
  • JimInMD
    Joined:
    Greek
    Did someone say Greeks?? What a way to start the weekend! Is anyone fond of the 88 Greeks? The reason I mention it is.. I always thought those recordings were very good for the era. Had the tapes on cassette almost immediately after the show and listened to the hell out of them. Have a great weekend all.. kiss your wife/husband, dance a jig, enjoy Spring, live large.
  • RV3
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    What BOX SET> 1981-1988 GREEK BOX SET!!
    Hey, my hopeful assumption guess is as good a GUESS as the constant chatter for 1973 box set...don't worry I'm sure the box set will be from the 1970s(not including 1979).
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

8 years 2 months

"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

Just kidding.. The influence of Jazz on GD, at least to me, was/is ever-present.. regardless of era. True, 72-74 was peak.. But there was also the push/pull influences of psychedelics, Bluegrass, Folk, Country, Punk and Disco (yes, I think so), Rock and Roll, R&B, Reggae, Soul, Gospel, Funk and I feel like I forgot something. They symbolized Americana at it's best. But the Jazz pull has always been there, especially in how they communicated and improvised. From 72-74 it's obvious. In the earlier and later years, look for it in segments where Jerry/Phil/Bill circle around each other. I would like to add Bob, it was certainly true in the earlier Gibson years. In the later years he seemed to pivot between the rocker, the country rocker or God forbid the slide rocker.. His influence was edgier (think Victim of The Kind for example, not exactly a Jazz standard). If there ever was an anti-Jazz influence it was Cocaine. I hope I didn't offend, just my take on the topic du jour. They were not a Jazz Band, but the influence has always been there and to my ears was always front and center. Looking forward, I still think there is a strong Jazz influence on what they do today.. Check out a 2018 Eyes of the World for example.. or check out Oteil and Jeff interact..
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

Perhaps the best fall '73 show is 9/11/73 William and Mary College (Hornsby's first show). Many of the others have great moments.. and I am sure will see sunlight someday but overall fall a little flat. It could be said the horns have a mind of their own and sometimes don't congeal well with what the band was trying to do at the time. I think there is a cut somewhere in the source reels of W&M though, so it would need the Full-Norman and a patch or two to make the grade. https://archive.org/details/gd73-09-11.sbd.lanum.184.sbeok.shnf
user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months
Permalink

Now this, I like. I have just listened to the Dark Star, being ill informed, to see how it sounded with horns. Obvious now-the horns had gone by this stage. But a great version nonetheless. So much to recommend it-Phils bass at the end nearly blew up my lap top. It also feels quite jazzy, to return to that theme. I really liked Bobs playing round the 10 minute mark. He added so much to the overall sound between 1972 and 1974. Before and since too, of course, but to me, he was at a peak at this time. I often find myself listening to his parts-particularly on those great Playin' in 1972. The great tone he had around that time, and the unusual partial chords he flavoured jams with. Very, very different from accustomed "rock" rhythm guitar. So yes, this would make a great release. Something a bit different from one of the best years.
user picture

Member for

10 years 4 months
Permalink

Glad it's almost the weekend. Some DP 17 discussion. One of my first forays into the Dead was a download of Throwing Stones and The Mighty Quinn. These two lived in my "master Dead list" for years. In those days I hunted down the "best versions" of everything, and also downloaded Throwing Stones from DP 27 and another one, don't recall which, but it had a reprise of the middle jam a few songs later, great stuff. Eventually bought the entire releases. I've had 9/11/73 on my player for a few years, but never listened. I get it stuck in my head sometimes that I should wait for the Full Norman. But now that it's received cool accolades from a couple of renowned online journalists, I've broken the seal. On Dark Star at least. It must be good because I've turned it up twice already. This does kick ass. Billy's the great undersung genius in this band. This is a great sample of his jazz prowess. I listen to something like this on Dark Star, and then pick up hints of it in the rockers they do in their set. Really....good.
user picture

Member for

16 years 2 months
Permalink

as Liberace said "what's better than candelabras on the piano? Tulips on an organ."
user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

...taken from the film/soundtrack, ' Hells Angels Forever' , first appearance of jerry's guitar The Wolf I believe, the soundtrack has two songs performed by Jerry Garcia. Here's the first song, Jerry comes in at the 1:40min. mark.... :) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEHogYhhmR8 https://youtu.be/bhcWVStPnmc https://www.discogs.com/Various-Hells-Angels-Forever-The-Soundtrack-Alb…
user picture

Member for

11 years 6 months
Permalink

Would love to hear what you guys think are the highlights of Sept '73. I have completely ignored the horn shows (though I have most of 'em) because I thought the horns sound honky/squeaky, but I guess I didn't realize they were only on a few songs at each show... There's a ton of 2nd set jams there with no horns that I have never listened to :D Sampling 9/11/73 Dark Star as I type and the stereo recording is stunning - nice soundstage. Why haven't I spent more time in Sept '73? I suddenly feel like I just found $100 in my pocket. Thanks..... This Dark Star is gorgeous.
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

11 years 5 months
Permalink

It never ceases to amaze me how many Deadheads are either not into jazz or just not particularly aware of jazz's massive influence on Jerry and the boys. I recommend the following jazz albums without reservation: Coltrane - Love Supreme (deluxe edition) Coltrane - Meditations and/or First Meditations Coltrane - Live Trane -The European Tours box set Coltrane - Sun Ship And, really, any other live Trane from 1961-1966! Also, Miles Bitches' Brew, In a Silent Way, and The Complete Jack Johnson sessions. Here's some of the many quotes direct from the Dead on Trane: Weir: "We felt at that time, when we were listening to Coltrane, that we were hardly fit to grovel at his feet. But still, we were trying to get there - our aims were the same." Lesh: "We never heard Coltrane live after the band started, so it was the recordings we would lean on. Mainly it was Africa/Brass. Bill Kreutzmann really got off on Elvin's drum solo on 'Africa'; of the other guys, it was pretty much the whole composition and the way it all developed, the use of the horns and stuff like that. And then just for the quality of Trane's playing, 'Blues Minor' is one of my favorites." [from the book the House That Trane Built] As for Garcia: "I've been influenced a lot by Coltrane, but I never copped his licks or sat down, listened to records and tried to play his stuff. I've been impressed with that thing of flow, and of making statements that to my ears sound like paragraphs - he'll play along stylistically with a certain kind of tone...for X amount of time - then he'll change the subject, then play along with this other personality coming out, which really impresses me." Lesh says in his book, "I urged the other band members to listen closely to the music of John Coltrane, especially his classic quartet, in which the band would take fairly simple structures ('My Favorite Things', for example) and extend them far beyond their original length with fantastical variations, frequently based on only one chord."
user picture

Member for

10 years 1 month
Permalink

So a few weeks back when this group was discussing who still had their cassette tapes from back in the day, it got me thinking pretty deeply about some tapes I had at one point but have since been lost to the ravages of time. One such tape I was severely thinking on to try to recall where it ended up, was this one portion of a recording I had pulled off of Grateful Dead hour during my sophomore year in college. All i remembered was that it was this really good Truckin' that went into this crazy Other One. I had it written up as: 'Truckin' > Jam > The Other One > Jam' I thought and thought really hard on this but could not determine what happened to that tape, nor did i recall the show from which it had been pulled - I only remember it was likely in the '72-'73 range as it was just Billy in there. Recall, again, that I had not heard this segment in probably 25 years. So, fast forward to this morning. I am driving into work and listening to a newly acquired 'Denver '73' Roads Trips from Real Gone. I put on disc 3, and head to the portion of the shows I hadn't listened to yet. The second Truckin' on disc 3 is moving along nicely, through some very nice crescendos after the lyrics, and into a sweet duel with Phil and Billy. Then The Other One starts, and almost immediately I start to hear things that I know I've heard before. All of a sudden it then takes a turn into utter jazzy territory and I am like: Holy SHIT! THIS IS THAT SEGMENT! I was totally blown away as it further unfolded to my ears, and somehow I was fully aware of what was coming next. All of this after having been lost to oblivion for a quarter century...only to come right back to me all in that moment. A very cool epiphany to be sure...a jazzy one at that....and the luck of the find. Here it is for anyone looking to be moved: https://archive.org/details/gd73-11-20.sbd.hollister.1234.sbeok.shnf/gd… It made for a perfect start to this Nor'easter up here today! Happy Friday Deadfreaks. Sixtus P.S. Jimmy your recollection on that Boston Garden run in '91 is keen, but slightly off. I was actually at the first Friday night show 9/20 but not for any others. But man, I'd love to see that entire run get the full treatment.
user picture

Member for

12 years 1 month
Permalink

I always (half jokingly) say when people mention Kenny G and "jazz", that Kenny is "Jazzy", not "jazz". :-)
user picture

Member for

15 years 2 months
Permalink

March 2, 1969http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/03-02-1969 Fillmore West San Francisco, California Here we have another outstanding night - the last - from the four-night run at the Fillmore West. The boys go strong right from the start with a Dark Star> Stephen> Eleven. Then they transition into a Lovelight with, of course, Pig wailing to close out the first set. The second set has another incredible Other One suite and then a really long, bluesy, and totally awesome Alligator> Drums> Caution. Like the other three, this show is not to be missed.
user picture

Member for

12 years 1 month
Permalink

Thanks for the heads up on Miles The Complete Jack Johnson sessions. Did not have this one in my collection, it's coming from the library as I type. Thanks.
user picture

Member for

10 years 4 months
Permalink

I don't know it well, but I've always dug the Eyes of the World bonus track from the Wake of the Flood reissue - 9/7/73 at Nassau Coliseum. The sound is crisp and clear, and Jerry's playing exceptionally well. Has been in my top 5 Eyes for some time now.
user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

since I've jumped on board here... I always enjoy reading the different perspectives- some more logical and coherent than others- but almost all are entertaining and bring a new attention to shows/songs. I appreciate it. I missed out on FW Box, but the generosity of the fine members of this community have gotten the music to me and I am sure to others who were seeking it. If I can help anyone get the music, I am more than happy to help. I'm about two days behind the anniversaries, so it's 2/28 for me today- that's a damn fine show. King Bee just did it for me on my way to work today. I would like to have the box, but it's not necessary, and I hope that TPTB don't re-release it. A man is only as good as his word. I truly believe that and it's something I am trying to instill in my sons although they are young. My oldest started Pre-k this fall and one of the questions they asked on a little survey before they started classes was "What is your favorite song?" Without hesitation, he said "Tennessee Jed." Haha! Love that kid and that song. I really like DaP 25 and am looking forward to more '71. Doc turned me on full force to '71, and I am forever grateful. Sorry to ramble. Happy Friday! Bring on Summer of '73 Box!
user picture

Member for

10 years 9 months
Permalink

I attended one of the two shows, 9/7 or 9/8. I clearly recall 'Truckin',' but alas they played it both nights and I'm not positive which show I attended, although I clearly remember getting busted back home after the show (smoking herb in a parked vehicle at 2am) and a trip to the pokey. I kinda think it was the second night, cuz I recall being sad that I missed one, but damn that's a long time ago. Twas a freshly minted 16 year old after a summer of shows: RFK (1 show), Watkins (2), Roosevelt (2). But I'd been to the pokey as a 15-year-old (beer in park), so no biggie.
user picture

Member for

12 years 1 month
Permalink

Came up a short while back. Someone else said they had the album also. Well I instantly found the album in my collection, but, since posting pictures on this site is odd to say the least it's just been sitting here. But what I did do is rip the album in (kind of).Here for your edification is the album in mp3 format. I don't remember who had this album also, but I'm posting a dropbox link to it. Don't EVERYONE jump on this or they will shut off the link because of volume, but WHOEVER had it and would like a copy, have at it, just let me know when gotten so I can reclaim the space. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zraynk4fqu8dntf/AACz25GHnIwxp_qOU9c8bwk1a?dl…
user picture

Member for

15 years 2 months
Permalink

Our first selection is the oldest live Grateful Dead music we have in the vault, from Los Angeles on 2/6/66, playing a batch of tunes from which only one would survive in the repertoire much past mid-1966 (BIODTL):Tastebud, Mindbender, One Kind Favor, BIODTL, The Only Time Is Now. http://www.dead.net/sites/all/themes/dead2013/jplayer/?url=https://sos2…

user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

Hendrixfreak, When are you writing a book? I'll pre-order right now.
user picture

Member for

13 years 7 months
Permalink

Plus, the two Merriweather shows the weekend before! Going to be a Phish-y week! C'mon August... (Sorry, just bought tickets and I am super pumped!) In Dead related news, I've been really enjoying the Closing of Winterland set this week. Disc 3 on paper would seem to be one I would skip (20min Rhythm Devils> 20min NFA>Around and Around) but it is really great! Lots of energy and the added musicians really give the jams that extra "umph." Oh, and Coltrane has been one of my longtime faves! Rumor is that some great live Trane and Miles, (and other jazz greats) can be had if you can find the good Forensic Doctor and ask nicely... He has greatly expanded my collection of mind blowing Jazz recordings! (Thanks again, brother!) Happy (windy) Friday, everyone! Peace
user picture

Member for

10 years 9 months
Permalink

I didn't even tell any stories... but if you scroll back a couple years on this forum, I did post stories from RFK, Watkins (with pics) and Roosevelt Stadium (9-19-72 and 7-31-73 and 8-1-73). If Dave releases a Summer '73 box -- right now, it exists only in my feverish imagination -- I'll bust out a few true tales. Funny, Bolo hasn't been around. It probably takes him a little time to craft those maddening brain teasers about an upcoming release. Wouldn't it be time for one, now that a box announcement must be imminent? And, BTW, the joke is on you. I'm a professional author... new one coming out in May: Working for the Man, Playing in the Band: My years with James Brown (Toronto: ECW Press, 2018). It's a first-person memoir by my guitar teacher, who put in 7 years under JB's tutelage in later years. Strictly what he saw and heard and no BS or speculation or gratuitous dirt. Just the real thing. Please forgive the plug, but you called me out. In the final twist, it's now available for pre-order.
user picture

Member for

10 years 4 months
Permalink

Wheels 6/29/76 5/7/77 5/19/77 5/25/77 2/3/78 * Deals 10/24/71 8/27/72 9/16/78 * 11/30/80 7/19/89
user picture

Member for

17 years 6 months
Permalink

I have the fillmore west and 5/23 & 24th/ 69 grabbed me more and Dicks 24 gets me going more. I know they play everything differently and it was to record a live album but its almost the same set every other night, would a been nice to throw in a china cat or he was a friend of mine.
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

I remember those tales of old.. they were great posts. One of the reasons I pay attention to these boards is getting show reports, hearing outrageously fun stories and absorbing a bit of the culture. You can learn a bit, laugh a little, smile and get some good ole GD vibe moving through your grey matter. I knew you could write.. but wow. Congrats HendrixFreak. I am not at all surprised to hear about your book. Great news.. .....and those old posts were really fun, thanks for sharing. I have a hard time remember details of the shows I saw all those years ago.
user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months
Permalink

Having listened to the Dark Star from 11th September 1973 this morning, I continued listening to the odds and ends I have from Fillmore West shows 1969 this evening. And got to the Dark Star from 1st March. What an amazing contrast to the 1973 version. Virtually everything is different-from the tone of Jerry's Gibson to the inclusion of Mickey Hart-which seemed to make much more sense pre 1971 than it did post 1974. Tom Constanten seems unusually high in the mix, which adds a sort of stately psychedelic vibe. Bobs presence, however is much more muted, although Phil's counterpoint playing to Jerry' lead is as essential as it was in 1973. I wouldn't want to state a preference for either one-they are both superb in their different ways. Its fascinating how this piece of music alone developed between 1968 and 1974.
user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months
Permalink

Yes, I like to read of peoples experiences at shows from way back, too.And nowadays, even 1995 counts as way back.
user picture

Member for

10 years 9 months
Permalink

I will confess that for every vivid memory -- of which I have many of RFK and Watkins '73 -- there are deep blanks that kinda worry me. We tripped our asses off for two days' in a row at Watkins (not my usual approach for absorbing lessons before going back for more) as it was the thing to do at the time. (That's lame but I've made peace with it over the past 45 years...) Which is to say that 8-31-73 was only 3 freakin' days after 7-28-73 and we managed two more GD shows with The Band opening. My memories of 7-31-73 and 8-1-73 are limited to seeing a girl up on someone's shoulders handing Jer a birthday cake over the lip of the high stage. It was a warm moment, then total darkness claims all other memories of those two great nights of music. That the GD blasted away in style and that we were crisp as hell is a given, but no details any longer emerge. I will say that my dream of a Summer '73 box may be propelled by a wish to recall more, should the recording jog some rusty cog. BUT, if I have to start agitatin' for a SPRING 1971 BOX with my buddy Pig all over it, then hell, let's have TWO FREAKIN' BOXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My way of saying, Happy Friday afternoon. (And here's to the upcoming Anthem reissue with (I pray) a sweet '68 show included.) And thanks JimInMD: right back atcha!
user picture

Member for

14 years 11 months
Permalink

this morning, as I listened to 6/14/85, I realized that that show is almost 33 freakin' years old. waaay back. time keeps on slippin' slippin' slippin' into the future check out the Morning Dew from that show, I tell you.
user picture

Member for

8 years 11 months
Permalink

agreed. only get em first 2 songs of Set 2. tasty Dark Star/Morning Dew. worthy of release in the future. 9 11 74 would be nice to have officially as well. 2 shows separated by a year to the day on the experimental tip. all good things......
user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

...Grateful Dead Fillmore West, San Francisco, CA 2/27/69 (4LP 180 Gram Vinyl)(RSD 2018 Exclusive)... ... love it ! :)
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

mmmmm... timely and interesting. I wonder if it was remastered or if they leaned on Jeffrey's old hard drive for this? Thanks for the scoop.. and have a great weekend.
user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

...your welcome. If I remember correctly it's been remastered, I'll check and see.. - Have a grateful weekend yourself and everyone else on the boards! :) ...the Poster/art for this performance is on fire!. Absolutely beautiful! https://images.wolfgangsvault.com/grateful-dead/poster/memorabilia/BG16… Set list - Good Morning Little School Girl, Doin' That Rag, Cryptical Envelopment-> Drums-> The Other One-> Cryptical Envelopment Dupree's Diamond Blues-> Mountains Of The Moon-> Dark Star-> Saint Stephen-> The Eleven-> Turn On Your Love Light, E: Cosmic Charlie
user picture

Member for

11 years 4 months
Permalink

~ 1.20.79 ~ http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1970s/19790120.html https://archive.org/details/gd1979-01-20.110977.nak700-moore.berger.fla… ~ 5.4.77 ~ "Looks Like Rain" ~ College of William and Mary ~ September 1973 9.21.73 ~ "Black Peter" Pittsburgh ~ 9.24.73 "Deal" ~ 10.25.89 ~ Miami Special request Rhino ~ 5.26.77 and 7.5.81 my sweet Clementine
user picture

Member for

14 years 11 months
Permalink

"Hey man, NO HORNS." to each their own, of course. my biased own is that those horns are annoying. and in general, I don't like "guests" with the GD. I've always been put off by them, going back years. Quirky derp, but true. another curmudgeonly picky Deadhead, y'all
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

I try really hard not to care what they decide to release.. It's out of my control, and they seem to spend an inordinate amount of effort cleaning up the old, ancient tapes and make them sound better. Why would anyone in their right mind question those efforts? Whatever they come up with, I embrace and after a few listens it gels in my grey matter.. then I decide when and how often I listen to it. I, too, am not a generally a fan of the horn era. I think that's common. But if they released one, I'd pick 9/11 and I would like to think they could clean it up and make it sound much better than the versions on the archive. For $30, I wouldn't second guess it. So the two questions are how much I would like it and how often would I reach for it. No wrong answers.. If they cleaned up the cut in Morning Dew somehow, I do think this would be an interesting release and I would be very willing to give it a chance. Just my opinion.. oh.. and I love the 85 hype being spread recently.. it's catchy and I wholeheartedly agree. Right on it is bleeping Friday! I learned something new in Mexico recently.. Extra Anejo. So make Friday's Extra Anejo Friday's.. at least until the credit card bill comes.
user picture

Member for

9 years 9 months
Permalink

agree with your comments on everyone's sounds and contributions in the Dark Star period, especially "to the inclusion of Mickey Hart-which seemed to make much more sense pre 1971 than it did post 1974." They really did "break up" and reform, more so than a hiatus from touring after October '74. Their whole sound and style made a seismic shift after '74, as if they wanted to shut the door on the past and start over. I prefer the swing to the boom boom boom (but the boom boom boom is still better than every band in the world:) I think Jerry wanted a more rockin' sound. At least I think Jerry was the decision maker, I couldn't say for sure, but I think the Dead always went where Jerry intended. It would have been cool to have stuck with one drummer. I think Bill's style became much simpler when Mickey returned, to the point where all of that great style he expressed as single drummer was completely muted.
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

I don't think they ever broke up.. just escaped the financial trauma of the WOS and parted ways with Warner. Its more complicated than that.. Coke, Money and Excess is a tidier explanation than breaking up or divorce. They took a year and a half off (expensive) touring, started their own record company and recorded Blues for Allah in Bob's studio. Just my opinion. I don't have favorite era's or whatever.. but 1974 ranks high.. and I completely love the one drummer 1974 period (and love Keith).. but I like Mickey's contributions too. It is what it is and I made peace with all era's a long time ago. I'm just happy they hit record and wish they would have recorded on reels post Betty. Whatever they left for us to listen to now, is heaven scent and I am truly grateful.
user picture

Member for

9 years 9 months
Permalink

Obviously didnt announce they were breaking up, but returned to touring in 1976 as different from their former sound as many bands who breakup, change personnel, and re-establish their sound months or years later. Point being, they shut the door on their old sound.
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

But the same changes were there between 69 and 70. They were always challenging themselves and changing their sound. To me, that's what makes it Grateful Dead. That's what makes it great.
user picture

Member for

9 years 9 months
Permalink

The change in sound from 74 to 76 was new and sudden. Prior to that, from 67-74 their sound gradually developed into what they were in 1974, with no lengthy breaks from the road, or announced hiatuses. Gradual being the operative word. The change in sound between 74 and 76 was much bigger,and basically occurred all at once. Jerry's switch from the Wolf to the TB, Bob Weir's change from the Gibson to the Ibanez, Keith's discontinuation of the Fender Rhodes, addition of Mickey, which forced a complete overhaul in the band's rhythm section that impacted all of their legacy songs (compare drums on Sugar Magnolia from 1972 to 1976), and a much more expanded vocal role for Donna, as she pretty much replaced Phil on harmonies (she was used much more selectively before 1976, for example, Wharf Rat, Bertha, Ramble On Rose, Uncle Johns Band,Jack Straw, Deal and a ton of others did not feature her at all until after the 76 return to touring, and Phil's voice disappeared). Even the sound system changed dramatically. The point is, there was a much more pronounced and sudden change in sound from 10/20/74 to 6/3/76 (the four appearances in 1975 notwithstanding), than the gradual fine tuning from 67 - 74. It was more of a reformation than an evolution, like you get when bands break up or lose personnel and regroup later with a new sound. In their case it was a very deliberate new path, as if they wanted to shut the door on what they were and be something new. It was as if they broke up and reformed as something new. Still the best damn band in the world!
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

Sounds good..
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

11 years 5 months
Permalink

My pleasure, man. That Miles Jack Johnson is the shiznit. The original release is okay, but the complete sessions box is some ROCKIN' jazz!
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

....the Boyz should have taken more breaks/hiatus's. My 3 cents. Love Phish or not, they are doing it right. Bonus point to stolzfus for quoting Day Job lyrics. I, on the the other hand, work ten hour days. A Fool On The Hill?.... ...edit lol. Digging the Augusta '84 Boxilla show. A rager. Not quite '85, but who's counting?
user picture

Member for

8 years 11 months
Permalink

From the somewhat weighty and dark Watergate era of '74 to the sunny Georgia smile of "Have a Nice Day" '76. Jerry seems to be the main driver behind Mickey being in the band originally and rejoining. 'Nuf said.
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

....but Jerry welcoming Mickey back isn't too far fetched. I mean, family is family. Even with Lenny burning them hard. I never met Jerry, but I look at him as the kindest of souls who happened to play a mean guitar. Lucky us....I miss you
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

I did meet him once in '83. I couldn't open my mouth nor properly decide what should be said. He was kind, intelligent, gentle and did the speaking for me.. I honestly forget what he said.. but it was light, funny and interesting. Gracious perhaps. Had back stage passes for both nights in Merriweather '83 (thanks Phil). I barely used them and preferred being out in the pavilion. There were I think five of us with passes or perhaps five of us that shared a few passes, I forget.. and we arrived at different times. In the days before cell phones I shared mine with my brother and I got there first.. and was quite done with it by the time the music started. Me and my friends never hooked up back stage, it was just too weird, very weird... perhaps if we arrived together it would have been different. Finally I went to my seats, which were quite good and all seemed ok with the world. I felt more a peace in front of the band than behind it, which exactly suited my state of mind at the time. My night meeting Jerry.. I didn't have it in me to say anything intelligent, but still we had a half minute of pretty interesting dialogue (no thanks to me). In the end, I felt humbled and petty yet strangely honored and proud. Shame on me.. and to all you kids out there, don't smoke pot, never do mushrooms and for gods sake never, ever put little tiny pieces of paper on your tongue. It will rob you of wisdom, at exactly the moment you need it.
user picture

Member for

8 years 7 months
Permalink

...I'm surprised no one is excited about the news of the Grateful Deads upcoming RSD release this April... ...Grateful Dead Fillmore West, San Francisco, CA 2/27/69 (4LP 180 Gram Vinyl)(RSD 2018 Exclusive)... ...I'm very excited that we are being treated to a 2/27/69 vinyl release... ;) ...the art work alone is stunning! Skeletons with hair and beards ? Take a guess everyone
user picture

Member for

13 years 5 months
Permalink

I'm excited and already decided I am getting it (if I can).
product sku
081227931742