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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Noah's Great Rainbow
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    Imagine a world where GDP posts the entire year's agenda on New Years. No more keeping devoted fans in the dark. No unrealistic expectations, no dashed hopes, just great music and happy folks.

    Imagine a world where unresolved customer service issues arent just relegated to one very kind soul. And help to support her many fine efforts to help us folks.

    Well, yes, I may have a very active imagination. Yes, I am clearly an optimist too. (Thus my screenname) And I'd kinda like to share my wishlist of future shows right now. But I won't. I still remain thankful for what we have, regardless.

    But that isnt why I decided to return and post here. The world is a scary place right now, and music can surely heal the soul in such times. For me, the poem on my wall, "Desiderata" perfectly describes it for me. Most of us are likely familiar with it. And for those who continue to struggle with what ever daily life throws at you, please know that you are not alone.

    "With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
    it is still a beautiful world.
    Be cheerful.
    Strive to be happy."

    Church is over, you may now go in peace. And to quote Pierre Robert, our local radio guy's favorite phrase "God Bless the Grateful Dead"

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    Music is a reservoir... of sounds......

    KIDDD: Yes, both 1969 Santa Rosa shows are very good and would make a nice release (hint hint to TPTB). I do believe that the kind folks at GEMS put pretty good copies into general circulation a while back...............

    JIM: Yes, fragments of both of the June 1970 Hawaii shows were streamed on deadnet previously. As I recall, both were pretty good quality, given today's sonic processing technology both could be nicely cleaned up. One had a lengthy TIFTOO. Can't recall the other one, which was a notch better quality.

    Undecided about the rumored 1970/1980 box. Would much prefer that the Hawaii shows be released separately, and if they want to issue a 1980 box that would be OK. But I'd prefer to keep the 2 eras separate. Of course, I'm not in charge of choices.........

    Four straight paperwork days, think I'm forgetting how to cut up dead folks..........

    Doc
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  • jonathan918@GD
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    I was hoping they would stick with the "venue" concept a little while longer. I like it!!

    Whatever it is, i'm on board

    rock on, gang

  • billy the kiddd
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    6/27/69 Santa Rosa. Veterans Auditorium

    Killer of a show, put this together with 6/28/69 and you have a great release. Or, as part of a larger 1969 box set.

  • Crow Told Me
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    The Half Baked box sure seems like a Bad Idea, in terms of marketing.

    You got your people who love 1970. A 1970 box would probably sell great. And you got your people, probably a somewhat smaller group, that love 1980. A 1980 would probably do OK. But there's probably not that many people in the middle of that Venn diagram loving both those very different years. Seems like a tough sell to try to convince people to part with roughly $175 for a set where they're not super enthusiastic about one half or the other.

    Me, I'm simply running out of space. I either have to stop buying every box that comes out or get a bigger house. (Which, sadly, is not a realistic option.) I will probably pass on this one and hope that they issue one of the '70 shows separately.

  • Danehead
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    Box..

    The Alaska shows might be multi-tracks (or mixed-downs..), as they sound very good..

  • JimInMD
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    I'd be surprised if they offer another cassette mastered box and if they did I would not expect to see 81 through 83 included. The In and Out of the Garden Box (81 through 83 - cassette mastered) is still occupying shelf space at the warehouse.

    I'm up for whatever.

    The Hawaii 1970 concept is interesting though as it would have to be from the June shows. The Dave's Picks (19) pretty much cleaned out the January 1970 run. There is much mystery regarding the June shows as complete tapes do not circulate. I think Lemieux has played a song or three (at least I think he did). They'd likely be a Banana Box special, which really does hint to possibilities unknown.

    There are also copies of Betty Boards out there on the Archive were not part of the known ABCD cache. ABCD seems to have dried up or at least slowed down.

    It would be nice if the vault got a big ass FedEx box from a company named EFGH, LLC

    Or was it just a dream I dreamed.

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    October 74 yes yes yes
    Summer 85 yes yes yes

    From the ether comes a promo for ZappaMOI July 23 1968 at the Whisky.

    I listened/watched part of it. Pretty drecky.

    These days to me a little Zappa goes a long way

  • Obeah
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    Just want to say that I don't have a dog in this box set race. I'd be thrilled to add some more lovingly plangent-processed 1970 to my collection. But like so many, I also think it would be mighty fine to honor the 50th anniversary of an amazing year in GD history with a 1974 box set. And of course, with today being the anniversary of an amazing '85 show, I'd dearly love to see that one + 6/25, 6/28, 6/30, and 7/1/85 released (that 30 Trips release of 6/24 would round the week out nicely!)

    Goes to show you don't ever know...

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    Complete recordings of Winterland October 1974 run to celebrate the 50th anniversary!

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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Fellow rockers!!!

Recently returned from my wife's immunotherapy session in Gainesville, only now catching up on comments abount Scranton. Keep in mind that this is from the perspective of a serious 1971 Dead freak. Clearly, there are many folks who don't care for 1971 no matter what, just as there are many (like me) who don't care for the late 80s and 90s. This is why there's different flavors of ice cream.......

I am very famiiar with the show, as I try to keep the "lesser known" April shows in regular rotation. There's lots of gooey Dead goodness to be mined there, although not all of it is gold. Scranton is a bit of an oddball---no Dark Star, no Other One, but still with lots to enjoy. Well played and well recorded. Is it the best of April? No. My guess is that the "better shows" are being held back for future 2 box releases of the remaining April shows.

Scranton is in the vault and part was streamed on deadnet a while back. It's definitely in Deadbase. HIgh quality soundboards have commonly circulated for years. I really wish they would fill up a third disc with highlights from Meadville, especially the second part of the second set. Wishful thinking......

One point that folks got right is that DaP series has been heavily weighted towards the 70s. Lots of issues from 73 and 77, frankly many of which don't really inspire me. Doesn't mean they're good or bad, just that they're different, and there's a lot of different Dead eras to try and parcel out. There's many worthy shows from the late 60s, late 70s, and the early to mid 80s. Sure wish they could find a way to put more out, with greater frequency, it would all continue to sell well. It's a cosmic juggling act, and I'm glad I'm not in charge of that.

Bottom line: good but not great release, will get significant play here........

Men must live and create, live to the point of tears......

Rock on my friends!

Doc
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Yawn. Wake me up for #52.

Alaska box set. Double yawn.

There's always 2025.

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...nice Tele, Thin!
Just got an American Professional II, that is now my main gigging axe. Teles are the best, tried others but I keep coming back...kinda' like 71 Dead
To paraphrase Pigpen and the Coasters, I'm a hog for 1971, so this one's a no brainer for me

DeadBase 50, page 43, in the Updates section.

Spinning 2-19-71 vinyl as I type.
Good stuff!
I’ll gladly accept more ‘71.

I listen to all eras, have TB’s of torrents, and want more official releases on an annual basis than what we currently get.
2 Boxes per year, DaP subscription, studio album 50th when applicable, Record Store Days….
Might As Well restart a Download Series too…..

And more video too, Dave.

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LONG drive today, full show came on at 9 AM, I think it was this DaP 51? Heard most of it but definitely missed a few songs due to reception. I almost never have enough time in the car to listen to a full show, my lucky day. Recording sounded excellent. Not a huge Pig fan by the 10th "wait a minute, wait a minute" but he sounded healthy and prime.

On another note, Joseph, OR, otherworldly. Long strange trip it was

Good to see thin' return and doc's analysis is spot on.

I find a little irony in the tele comments. As I recall thin is not a fan of tele skiing. (a little joke, no hard feelings whatsoever). I guess thin likes tele more than he would admit.

Full disclosure, I tele ski. Poorly in my old age. But at least I'm enjoyin' the ride.

As for the 70's debate which seems to never end. I find myself agreeing with everything written here lately. I have listened to this show (#51) at least twice but it isn't in my long term memory.

I think the emphasis on 70's vs. other is somewhat artificial as there have been many 80's cassette mastered shows released recently which might suggest the trend has shifted. But there is no doubt things have been 70's centric since Dick's Picks ended with a few honorable mentions in the road trips series. I honestly believe the reason for this is not the quality of the shows but the quality of the recordings and the lack of vocal flubs in the earlier years compared to 80ish shows. Plus in general they could for the most part sing better in their youth. They are trying to mine gold as best they can with what they have. When viewed in that context '71 makes sense right now, especially a good recording like what we are about to hear all cleaned up by Dr. Norman.

Just my two cents, I could be wrong.

As you were folks. Enjoy your ride and be considerate to those you encounter.

....holy shit. Who and what is this band?
Fixin to find out.
Thank you the Spectrum XM channel.
Phish's Tiny Desk is up and running.
Conekid got a turntable?
Tell me more.

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This would seem to be as expected from what Dave said about the 2024 schedule of releases. Next I would imagine would be the oft anticipated Vince & Bruce era pick, 1991? Heck! As soon as I'm done with this post I am picking up the left over 2019 Box Set single show disc, 6/17~1991, lucky for me it's still there! Anyways I forsee a possibility of 2025 with Frost 1982 (2) shows. Maybe 1978, 12/22 with a bonus disc of 12/17 "From the Heart of Me" onward. Cross your fingers for Aug. 4th, 1976, and maybe 10/25/73 to finish off the year. Or! Sept. 11, 1973 with BirdSong & Sunshine bonus filler from 9/12? Then for 2026 plug in another Bruce & Vince show and either a Pig or Brent era to go with 7/25/74 & 4/23/77. I KNOW!!!!! Damn! 1977 again!

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.........raucous Sugar Mags to end the first set. Very unusual..........
.........how badly they screwed up Truckin'. Then they made up for it. We always forgave the Dead their foibles and pratfalls, this is no different...........
.........good Good Lovin'..........

Rough diamonds may sometimes be mistaken for worthless pebbles.......

Rock on,

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Not much of this show left too release.

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No DS or TOO?? But a nice H2H. Been listening to Winterland, three weeks earlier, March 24th H2H, that's a very hot one. 1971, next best thing to primal.

Five 71 Dave's Picks through #51.

Seems odd to me that he has not touched many other years much or at all. Definitely a proponent of variety, but we will take what we can get.

I think we would have all thought we would get a 91 released by now, but now I don't see it happening any time soon. At least they gave us a great 91 show for last year's MUATM. Wish they would release it on video and CD.

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Well, not the sort of jam we were referring to, but kind of in my sphere of expertise.....

There were a handful of April 71 shows that had no Dark Star or Other One---if memory serves me well, that included April 4, 6, 7, 10, 15, 17, 18, 22, 25, and 26. So maybe not so unusual for that month. Often times, Good Lovin' was the "jammy tune" of the evening. All, of course, leading up to the penultimate Good Lovin' of April 26, 1971, which was about the crankinest jammyest Good Lovin' known to humankind. Now that one is definitely worth a listen!!!

March 24. Oh yeah. Highly rated here. "We brought Pigpen, but we forgot an organ". And Bobby with the Code Seminole mishigas. Too funny. Now this one does have an Other One and it's pretty good. Healthy doses of Pigpen. Would make a nice official release some day. Like maybe next year LOL.............

Paperwork day. No bodies to cut up. I'm jonesing................

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I was just going to post about this one..

Give it a listen... Good show! Has a different feel...

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Comments and seaside do not seem to be enabled yet... yes, indeed 3/24 an interesting show, Thanks Doc for the DS/TOO April recap, noticed same thing, them being on hiatus. Turn out we do get another TOO, from Pittsburg.

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While we can bemoan the # of 1971 shows released in the DaP series, this is the first from the spring with all the others from the fall of 1971. This is a completely different band from the previously released 1971 shows. In fact, in the last 20+ years, there have been just a few releases of shows with this configuration from 1971-- Ladies and Gentlemen, Three From the Vault and the bonus discs to WD and AB (with one of them including Mickey, so not quite). I agree with doc, Good Lovin' was frequently the jam of the night instead of Dark Star or Other One-- and they cooked in the month of April 1971.

I will mention I am a bit disappointed in #50. I like May 1977, but little of that release truly 'grabs' my attention. Nice show, but nothing extraordinary. I love #49 though and will likely very much enjoy #51.

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So, we do get an Other One, finish off 10/24/70 and a full disc from the night before. I'll take it, especially for an early Wharf Rat as well!

Was hoping that the joke about the Catholic Girl (with the tiny little mustache) would make the cover. "They're learning to blow" and "Alllllllll the waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy" make that one of Zappa's most hilarious tracks.

And don't forget, "Hey she gave me VD!" But I guess we get a Steve Carrell reference instead, too bad Dwight or Mose isn't lurking in the background.

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Dave's 51 is up on its pre-order page in the store. Three CDs with some tasty extras.

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The cover art on DaP 51 is OK, but seems like kind of a missed opportunity. I mean, we're talking about a show that was at the Catholic Youth Center. The mind is boggled by the wealth of graphic art possibilities.

Sure, The Office was a fun show. But it wasn't as fun as making fun of nuns.*

*I am allowed to say this because I am a "failed" Catholic whose knuckles are still sore after suffering the wrath of those deranged ruler-wielding pelicans.

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All this talk of oversaturated 1977 releases got me thinking. Re~imagine the Terrapin Station album. For one, as I grew older and wiser when it comes to the Dead & their music, I realized how live was always better. I used to collect the studio albums 30 years or so ago when I wasn't hip to the tape trader circuit. Now them studio albums are long gone and I have a supreme live {mostly official releases} collection to date. So what better way to get rid of that over saturated "Phil Spector Beattles" sound than to implement live versions of the album's songs! I have all my music discs on the computer so this is quite a simple and really fun time consuming task. One difference is I add a "Fire" with no "Scarlett" and place it between "Estimated" & "Dancin'Streets" because I had heard it really was a 1977 Terrapin sessions song and just missed the cut. Not that the song doesn't fit in the "Shakedown" album motif, I just like it better in my mix! So now I have 13 different versions of the Terrapin Station album, to go along with the THOUSANDS of playlists! Still wanting 4/23/77.

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Beyond and besides what I've already been doing, (in regards to my previous post) my "Terrapin album live" playlists are now peppered with 1976 "Dancin' Streets" and "Passenger" tracks from spring 1978. I swear this is the last I post about this, and of anything on this 1977 thread!

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I can post here but not on 51.

WMD - are starting with some changes.

51 always goes to product recommendations now.

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